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[TeamsterChange]

11:58pm, on February 08 2012 - 04:49 PM, said:

You want a contract for the organizers? Then I want a contract for every local union executive board and the same for the current GEB. You want to throw our IBT constitution out the window then let's go all the way. No more elections for anyone. Lifetime jobs for everyone in power now including sandy dope!

Yes 11:58 I’m glad you get it! Yes we do want everyone to have a contract! What proud union member would not want everyone not just 7% of our country to have union representation! Just like I tell workers everything can be negotiated in a contract like term of a contract being the same time frame as our elected officials being in office. And yes believe it or not contracts have to cover everybody even people we may not like, but the way we handle those people is by not voting for them when they want other positions. Now if the constitution says no Teamster worker can be a Teamster then we don’t have to “throw” the constitution away. We can do a thing called amending it. Now if your real issue is you want to deny people the chance to real teamsters then carry on. If it’s just that you have an issue with A person aka Sandy Pope, I’m sure there are plenty of OTHER threads you can be part of. This thread is for WORKERS JOINING TOGETHER IN AN EFFORT TO BETTER THEIR WORKING CONDITION BY OBTAINING A CONTRACT! That’s what a UNION is all about

Now about no more elections i think we call that EFCA

[Caracol_La Fuerza]

11:58 You came out swinging for the GP during the election and I assume you are behind him 100% on the "Stop the War on Workers". Now why won't Hoffa recognize the organizers is a true mistery. As it has been shown here that the organizers are hired by the IBT and treated with no respect and dignity. The loss time you are talking about is just that a designated time for a specific organizing drive. What you fail to understand is that the Organizing dept has three classifications of organizers. The loss timers are based on per project and yes the Local does take care of informing the rank and file of the terms. Especialy dealing with the pay one would get. The project classification is not made aware of the conditions of their employment and find out after the first few months that the local receives an extension for three months at a time for their employment. This may last for 4 years where the IBT has a cut off for an unknown reason to let you go. As a project you pay dues to the Local that sponsors you. Then they may bring you on as a Staff Organizers to start your employment with the IBT. Yes the Staff organizers pay dues also. So as people are treated as employees and with such bad treatment you shouldn't hold it against the organizers for seeking representation.

Why doesn't Hoffa recognize the organizers?

What would be lost by recognizing the organizers?

You are such a strong advocate for Hoffa why do you have a war against the organizers?

Simply put why should some have the priviledge of a CBA and others be left without?

Are all workers not worthy?

Check yourself 11:58 you may find yourself not being the trade unionist you think you are.

[Straight Shooter]

Organizers are hired and should have a contract and officers are elected and should not.

[11:58pm]

Not everyone in the teamsters has the protection of a contract and that includes the organizers. Seems like you are to dumb to understand that.
I want what the IBT constitution says. Why? Because that's how the UNION was built. I don't even want to have elections for our GEB. I want to go back to the delegate vote.

[coolhand]

Are they gonna get recognized? or a election?

[coolhand]

If you have the answer!

[Thee 99%]

So much is going on today and no one has posted anything about it. More lay offs in So Cal and Vegas. What does parking boy have to say about all this? How about Ricky Ricardo, he's loosing two of his guys. Was it in the master plan Jason? Or are you claiming to be in the dark like retardo does.

[Caracol_La Fuerza]

ART. V, SEC. 1

©. The person holding the position of Executive
Assistant to the General President, while working under
orders of the General President, shall be paid a salary,
allowances, and expenses fixed by the General
President.
(d). General Organizers and International Representatives
shall be appointed by the General President
and while working under his orders shall receive a salary
as determined by the General President and reported to
the General Executive Board. International Auditors
shall be appointed by the General Secretary-Treasurer
and shall receive a salary as determined by the General
Secretary-Treasurer and reported to the General Executive
Board. The total salary of any General Organizer,
International Representative, or International Auditor
shall not exceed that of the General President. General
Organizers and International Auditors appointed after
the 1991 Convention shall not receive compensation or
allowances from any subordinate body.
(g). The General President shall also have the authority
to establish the conditions of employment and fringe
benefits for persons hired in accordance with subsections
© and (d) of this Article. All of the foregoing shall be
subject to the disapproval of the General Executive
Board, but such disapproval shall not be retroactive.

As you have read the constitution says the GP shall appoint the organizers.
When was the last time that happened?
It also says the GP shall have the authority to establish the conditions of employment.
So is it against the constitution for the organizers to seek representation when the preamble and the history of the Teamsters is based on organizing?
Is there a worker that should have representation and those that shouldn't?
So if you want to use the constitution you should ask Hoffa why the conditions of employment for the organizers are so bad that they need representation?
After he confirms the employment status feel free to ask him to recognize the organizers!

[11:58pm]

I don't need to ask the GP anything. It's already been said. If they don't like how the job goes they are free to quit. Just like everyone else in the organization. In addition, if any GP dosent like the way the organizers are working out then they should be free to replace them as he sees fit and on behalf of the dues paying members of this organization.
Why should our union be handcuffed to these people if it's been determined that they can't organize?

[Caracol_La Fuerza]

11:58pm, on February 10 2012 - 05:51 AM, said:

I don't need to ask the GP anything. It's already been said. If they don't like how the job goes they are free to quit. Just like everyone else in the organization. In addition, if any GP dosent like the way the organizers are working out then they should be free to replace them as he sees fit and on behalf if the dues paying members of this organization.
Why should our union be handcuffed to these people if it's been determined that they can't organize?

Spoken like a true COMPANY man. I guess you didn't read past the line of APPOINTING the organizers! You won't ask him because you are being played and you don't have the balls to question his actions against the organizers. You claim you want what the constitution says well the constitution says the Teamsters where founded on organizing, built on organizing and its survival is dependent on organizing. So don't go shifting the blame off of our current GP Hoffa for he is the one putting the organizers through a grinder to test their commitment to the fight. A CBA is not a pair of handcuffs if the GP sees that someone is failing at their position as organizer then due process will be the determining factor for the release of bad organizers. Remember "at will employee" vs "just cause employee" is what this fight is about.

So how do you feel about the anti union organizers that haven't organize a thing? You are paying them to be union busters!
Who keeps these organizers around our GP Hoffa? The fantastic four keeping their favorites around?

Bad decisions on top of bad decisions don't make it right. Hoffa make the right decision and recognize the organizers. It will make our union stronger.

Let the layoffs continue it will just piss more people off and it will force the issues at hand.

What is the real reason behind these layoffs? It can't be budget cuts as it is being said when the fantastic four have a revolving door as they lay one off they hire a new one. Can't even face the organizer and tell them the truth!

This is NOT the International Brotherhood of Teamsters I grew up believing in!

[ibc734]

Oh please. Wake the hell up already. Unions have not adjusted to reality.

Unless you're a union sycophant you have to understand that no one can get wage increases every year forever and ever. Same with pension money and health and welfare. How many concessions have been made by unions over he last 15 years or so because of economic realities? So WTF good are the unions?

[11:58pm]

Ibc, you from BIMBO?

Ok you've convinced me. Give me a list of your grievances and demands and I'll call the GP and tell him to give to you.

[LagunaBrown.com]

Ibc if your so down on the Union go find a better gig then and less time on T-net. Otherwise you must be a union busting cooperate minion.


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[Sherri Henry]

11:58pm, on February 10 2012 - 05:51 AM, said:

I don't need to ask the GP anything. It's already been said. If they don't like how the job goes they are free to quit. Just like everyone else in the organization. In addition, if any GP dosent like the way the organizers are working out then they should be free to replace them as he sees fit and on behalf of the dues paying members of this organization.
Why should our union be handcuffed to these people if it's been determined that they can't organize?

WOOHOO! What a freakin dumb ass!

The are the FAMOUS WORDS of every CONSULTING FIRM in the country!

"Your employer doesn't want a union, if you don't like the terms and conditions of employment go find another job!"

Spoken like a true union buster......ding ding ding, you just passed the initiation into the United Brotherhood of Anti-Union Teamsters!

[Shaman]

ibc734, on February 10 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

Oh please. Wake the hell up already. Unions have not adjusted to reality.

Unless you're a union sycophant you have to understand that no one can get wage increases every year forever and ever. Same with pension money and health and welfare. How many concessions have been made by unions over he last 15 years or so because of economic realities? So WTF good are the unions?

The dollar is worth less every year. The only time we have a true wage increase is when the increase is more than inflation.

[dumfck]

ibc734 is a big whiney bit-h it sickens me to know that my first teamster local now has a member that has a diaper full of sh-t as a member ibc734 sucks

[ibc734]

11:58pm, on February 10 2012 - 02:50 PM, said:

Ibc, you from BIMBO?

Ok you've convinced me. Give me a list of your grievances and demands and I'll call the GP and tell him to give to you.

I work at Hostess Brands. And Bimbo? We would be a helluva lot better off if they owned us instead of this effed up hedge fund company. IBT let us get bent over the last bk. THEY brought in Ripplewood. And we're back in bk again. Or don't you read the news?

[ibc734]

Shaman, on February 10 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

The dollar is worth less every year. The only time we have a true wage increase is when the increase is more than inflation.

Do you hear yourself? You expect to get wage increases when in some cases it costs companies more to run their business?

[ibc734]

dumfck, on February 11 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

ibc734 is a big whiney bit-h it sickens me to know that my first teamster local now has a member that has a diaper full of sh-t as a member ibc734 sucks

Then you can deal with it by coming to the Hodgkins Illinois bakery and ask for Andy. Now suck my diaper punk.