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[RealTeam]

Read them for yourself, and YOU be the judge.

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[inthegame]

RealTeam, on January 17 2012 - 02:57 PM, said:

Read them for yourself, and YOU be the judge.

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Lot's of allegations but what was the final judgement? Did you know that L75 had a clerk steal $27,000 from their treasury, that was uncovered and prosecuted under Gegare. Maybe some of the "facts" you're now so willing to believe aren't quite so accurate. Did Jim Hoffa somehow not know any of this? Why was Gegare on the ticket in '01 and '06 or is it OK to be a schmuck if he's on the Hoffa side. And really what is the point of continuing this attack. Didn't you hear the news Mark...Hoffa won. He had the election won the moment Fred did not agree to put Sandy Pope on as S/T. I think Hoffa still would have won in that event but I also think a whole lot more Teamsters would have voted had they thought a real chance existed to change leadership.
You really should thank Gegare. He proved how weak TDU really is. 30% of any group usually vote for change. TDU has been counting these malcontents as supporters for 35yrs. With their strongest candidate since Carey, they fell flat. Adios TDU!
Good Luck RealTeam, I hope things work out with your dues issues. Please concentrate your efforts against the guys who hate Teamsters, not Teamsters who you disagree with.

[hembone]

inthegame, on January 17 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

Lot's of allegations but what was the final judgement? Did you know that L75 had a clerk steal $27,000 from their treasury, that was uncovered and prosecuted under Gegare. Maybe some of the "facts" you're now so willing to believe aren't quite so accurate. Did Jim Hoffa somehow not know any of this? Why was Gegare on the ticket in '01 and '06 or is it OK to be a schmuck if he's on the Hoffa side. And really what is the point of continuing this attack. Didn't you hear the news Mark...Hoffa won. He had the election won the moment Fred did not agree to put Sandy Pope on as S/T. I think Hoffa still would have won in that event but I also think a whole lot more Teamsters would have voted had they thought a real chance existed to change leadership.
You really should thank Gegare. He proved how weak TDU really is. 30% of any group usually vote for change. TDU has been counting these malcontents as supporters for 35yrs. With their strongest candidate since Carey, they fell flat. Adios TDU!
Good Luck RealTeam, I hope things work out with your dues issues. Please concentrate your efforts against the guys who hate Teamsters, not Teamsters who you disagree with.

Game, no disrespect intended, but how did Gegare show how weak TDU is? It seems like Sandy did that. Tdu did a lot of slamming against Fred also, not as much as Hoffa, but they let it be known they didn't think Gegare would be a good GP either.

[inthegame]

hembone, on January 18 2012 - 07:22 AM, said:

Game, no disrespect intended, but how did Gegare show how weak TDU is? It seems like Sandy did that. Tdu did a lot of slamming against Fred also, not as much as Hoffa, but they let it be known they didn't think Gegare would be a good GP either.

Hi Hemmy, What I meant was TDU thinks they have lots of steady, strong support that they can tap in every election. Gegare destroyed that theory and split the support away from Sandy, who was expected by TDU to crush Gegare. I think the real thinkers at TDU,(that's an oxymoron) knew Sandy would have a tough time against Hoffa but they never expected the weak showing. I think their days are done.

[yougottabekiddin]

Soooo, let me get this straight. Fred gegare supporters thought that the fat, drunken blowhard could run around slandering good people for months on end, and then when he lost the election he could just fade away gracefully?! **** no folks...that scumbag had an axe to grind and he attacked a lot of decent, hard working people with his lies. So, I say keep kicking him while he is down until he ******* publicly apologizes to those he spewed his vitriol at.

[hembone]

yougottabekiddin, on January 18 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

Soooo, let me get this straight. Fred gegare supporters thought that the fat, drunken blowhard could run around slandering good people for months on end, and then when he lost the election he could just fade away gracefully?! **** no folks...that scumbag had an axe to grind and he attacked a lot of decent, hard working people with his lies. So, I say keep kicking him while he is down until he ******* publicly apologizes to those he spewed his vitriol at.

I supported Hoffa/Hall and am glad they won. As far as Gegare goes I feel the best thing is to let it go.

[inthegame]

yougottabekiddin, on January 18 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

Soooo, let me get this straight. Fred gegare supporters thought that the fat, drunken blowhard could run around slandering good people for months on end, and then when he lost the election he could just fade away gracefully?! **** no folks...that scumbag had an axe to grind and he attacked a lot of decent, hard working people with his lies. So, I say keep kicking him while he is down until he ******* publicly apologizes to those he spewed his vitriol at.

Soooo how about getting this straight. Gegare was doing all the things Hoffa supporters are now criticizing him for WHILE he was a Hoffa guy. He left Hoffa, had he not left Hoffa he'd still be a VP running around the country putting out fires for Hoffa and all the johnny come lately attackers would be lining up to buy him drinks and pat his back. He'll apologize right after Hoffa apologizes to all the Waste Management employees he screwed out of their pension, and the CS pensioners he left swinging by allowing UPS out of CS. UPS Teamsters went on strike in '97 to keep that plan strong only to have it blown away. Gegare saw a different future than most and he either wanted to change course or get off the ship. He's done. Move on, we got lots of bigger battles ahead.

[yougottabekiddin]

hembone, on January 18 2012 - 12:59 PM, said:

I supported Hoffa/Hall and am glad they won. As far as Gegare goes I feel the best thing is to let it go.

You are probably right...I won't argue that with you. But there is a part of me that wants to NEVER let it go. He tried his level best to have our General Prseident disqualified by filing boat loads of frivolous charges. I watched him publicly trash the people who were running Hoffa's campaign. Folks who were just doing a job and not saying anything derogatory about HIM by the way. There has to be some kind of negative ramifications for that...lest other idiots start to think its ok.