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[Farley]

http://www.sojo.net/...istmas-fox-news

maybe GOP stands for "Greedy One Percent"? eh

[xg22]

Why Christians Don’t Seem to Mind Violating The Regulative Principle During Christ-mass


From the records of the General Court, Massachusetts Bay Colony, May 11, 1659


The War On Christmas was an outgrowth of the Protestant Reformation which, in many ways, was more like a revolution, especially because it had its fanatics - those who served as the tip of the spear. The Puritans. The Puritans were the religious right of their time, and they had much in common with the American religious right of our age. The Puritans felt they needed to purge their society of allegedly pervasive moral decay and they were convinced Christmas was part of the problem. So, they set out to fix that, forcibly.

The Puritans banned Christmas, in Scotland, in 1583. Then they banned it in England in 1644 and reinforced the ban with a 1647 law threatening to throw Christmas celebrators in jail. The war on Christmas came to the New World in the form of the following 1659 decree:

For preventing disorders, arising in several places within this jurisdiction by reason of some still observing such festivals as were superstitiously kept in other communities, to the great dishonor of God and offense of others: it is therefore ordered by this court and the authority thereof that whosoever shall be found observing any such day as Christmas or the like, either by forbearing of labor, feasting, or any other way, upon any such account as aforesaid, every such person so offending shall pay for every such offence five shilling as a fine to the county."

From the records of the General Court,
Massachusetts Bay Colony
May 11, 1659

http://www.apuritans...stmasBanned.htm



and of course the History of Xmas


http://www.benbest.c...story/xmas.html


Xmas has been used for hundreds of years in religious writing, where the X represents a Greek chi, the first letter of Χριστος, "Christ." In this use it is parallel to other forms like Xtian, "Christian." But people unaware of the Greek origin of this X often mistakenly interpret Xmas as an informal shortening pronounced (ĕks'məs). Many therefore frown upon the term Xmas because it seems to them a commercial convenience that omits Christ from Christmas.

Read more: http://www.answers.c...s#ixzz1gyd0ddP5

[xg22]

The War on Christmas: NRA sides against Jesus


Hide the kids, pass the ammo and pour Bill O'Reilly five or six drinks, because the War on Christmas just got real.

[xg22]

Larry Gatlin's Christmas Song Is Christmas BS?



Before he began his "special Christmas performance," he told the Christian/Christmas Curvy Couch Crew that he was inspired to write the song when he and his two year old granddaughter were watching TV "the day the terrorists bombed the little church in Bethlehem where historically says that Christ was born." (Uh, biblically speaking, Larry - not historically.) This "broke" Larry's "heart" and he "did what he always does and "picked up this guitar." Larry does seem to have a problem with history as his inspiration wasn't entirely accurate - but as this is Fox & Friends, who cares about accuracy!


When Larry mentioned a bomb in Bethlehem, I wondered what he was talking about as there hasn't been any recent terrorist activity in this area. I did recall that there had been a dust-up between Palestinian militants and the IDF, in the Church of the Nativity, some years back. And voila, there it was in Wiki - the whole story of the siege of the Church of the Nativity in 2002. During the month long siege, there was gunfire.

Eventually it was all sorted out. But there was no bombing of the church.

Is there any question as to why Fox viewers are misinformed if Fox is the only place they get their info!


http://www.newshound...is_christmas_bs

[Farley]

xg-22 happy holidays....right on!

[xg22]

Thanks Farley; And to all on the board Happy whatever Holiday You Choose to recognize

[unionbustersandtrollsout]

[scb]

xg22, on December 23 2011 - 12:01 PM, said:

When Larry mentioned a bomb in Bethlehem, I wondered what he was talking about as there hasn't been any recent terrorist activity in this area. I did recall that there had been a dust-up between Palestinian militants and the IDF, in the Church of the Nativity, some years back. And voila, there it was in Wiki - the whole story of the siege of the Church of the Nativity in 2002. During the month long siege, there was gunfire.

Eventually it was all sorted out. But there was no bombing of the church.

Is there any question as to why Fox viewers are misinformed if Fox is the only place they get their info!


http://www.newshound...is_christmas_bs

-xg22-

Perhaps you're reading a different "Wiki" than the one I view. Wikipedia, in its article about the 2002 "Siege of the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem" (http://en.wikipedia....ty_in_Bethlehem) specifically states that.....

"A total of 8 Palestinians had been killed, and an Armenian monk was also wounded. Israeli riot police reported finding 40 EXPLOSIVE DEVICES (my emphasis added) which had been left in the church by the Palestinians, several of them booby-trapped."

....which I take to mean that the church certainly was "bombed", albeit the bombs were intercepted before they had a chance to explode.

Beyond that, I'm not quite sure where you're coming from with your "Biblical" not "historical" claim. By that I mean that I'm not aware of anything in the Bible ("biblically") that indicates that the Church of the Nativity was the spot where Jesus was born. On the other hand, I *AM* aware that, "historically", Helena, mother of the emperor Constantine, built a church on the site where tradition held that Jesus was born, similar in fashion to the churches she placed over many other sites which were traditionally associated with Christ, yet not specifically located in the Bible.

That being said, I'm wondering why you would belittle "Fox viewers" as being "misinformed". Seems like there's one Hell of a "question" there! [smile]

-scb-

[xg22]

I guess our interpretation of 'bombed' will seperate Faux News viewers from all others.......It's like saying I was 'shot' by you even though your gun jammed and didn't fire a bullet.

Even though both links to Wiki went to the same article it still dosen't say that the buiding was 'bombed' so let's try a different source to confirm Gatlins claim.


The fortresslike basilica is one of the oldest continuously operating churches in the world, having survived—some would say miraculously—various invasions, regime changes, fires, earthquakes and, most recently, the 2002 siege of Bethlehem, when armed Palestinians hid in the church from Israeli forces for weeks. Some wonder if the church has been spared only to be destroyed by the people who cherish it the most. The atmosphere of hostility "taints the holy place," says the Rev. Jerome Murphy-O'Connor, a Roman Catholic priest who teaches archaeology at the École Biblique in Jerusalem.

Read more: http://www.smithsoni...l#ixzz1hUlpZH6H


Timeline: Bethlehem siege

A BBC diary of the main events during the siege of the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem which ended on 10 May after more than five weeks.





http://news.bbc.co.u...000/1950331.stm




A day by day account of the confrontation PBS


http://www.pbs.org/w...e/etc/cron.html


I won't bore you scb with more links but no where can I find confirmation that there was a bombing..........seems Gatlins gun jammed...

[scb]

-xg22-

Yeah, I'm quite sure there was no significance to those explosive devices laying around whatsoever. Not like they were bombs at all, I guess. Nor, if they were placed in a car, could they be considered "car bombs" either, one would assume. And no doubt the devices scattered about the church were disposed of by the regular cleaning crew rather than by a "bomb squad", right?. [smile]

Sorry "xg", but as much as you want it to be, this isn't quite a "cut and paste" world yet. Beyond that, I'm not too sure that someone such as yourself (who, it might be remembered, made certain claims about Newt Gingrich that were also demonstrably false) is in a position to muse about how "misinformed" others might be. Might want to take a look at that mote in your own eye first.

-scb-

[Farley]

I see Pope Rats just came out against commercial Xmas. He is, after all, "the vicar of christ"

[xg22]

scb, on December 24 2011 - 08:00 PM, said:

-xg22-

Yeah, I'm quite sure there was no significance to those explosive devices laying around whatsoever. Not like they were bombs at all, I guess. Nor, if they were placed in a car, could they be considered "car bombs" either, one would assume. And no doubt the devices scattered about the church were disposed of by the regular cleaning crew rather than by a "bomb squad", right?. [smile]

Sorry "xg", but as much as you want it to be, this isn't quite a "cut and paste" world yet. Beyond that, I'm not too sure that someone such as yourself (who, it might be remembered, made certain claims about Newt Gingrich that were also demonstrably false) is in a position to muse about how "misinformed" others might be. Might want to take a look at that mote in your own eye first.

-scb-

I'm not disagreeing there were bombs and the like in the Church but the innuendo Gatlin and the Foxxies who don't clarify his claim "the day the terrorists bombed the little church in Bethlehem where historically says that Christ was born." would lead those who are to lazy to verify such a statement to think that the building blew up.

As for cut and paste well how else would I prove that a certain claim is true or false?

And what claims have I made about the Newt that aren't correct?

PS: Hannity Utters HH

Why Does Hannity Hate Christmas?

[scb]

-xg22-

Seems to me that your "claim" was that "Faux News supporters were misinformed". As I see it, however, if anyone was guilty of not "clarify[ing] his claim", it was YOU, in your denigration of those who would believe that "bombing" WAS a factor; the reality is that bombs WERE a factor. Sorry, "xg22", but you reap what you sow. If YOU don't care to fully "inform" yourself, then I dont' think you're in a position to chastise those who, apparently, were less "misinformed" than you, yourself

As for the Gingrich deal, if you recall, on Nov. 17th, you made the claim....

"Newt has way too much baggage regarding his ouster as speaker, multiple marriages (and one divorce under a deplorable scenario), changing religions (why bother) and his latest, MAINTAINING HE ONLY SIPHONED OFF $300G'S FROM FANNIE AND/OR FREDDIE YET THE NUMBER WAS SO MUCH HIGHER HE COULDN'T HAVE BEEN MISTAKEN." (my emphasis added)

...which was patently false; Gingrinch never "maintaind[[ed]" that he "only" siphoned-off (or whatever) $300; that was a pure fabrication on your part. Futhermore, you might remember that I brought that fact to your attention the same day the falsity of that claim....and you, in turn, didn't dispute it. Hell, your own link countered what you claimed!

As for your "claims" generally, exactly what "claims" have you been trying to "prove"? Seems to me that you really have presented any personal claims at all (just someone else's), except for those (see above) that were bombastic and demonstrably false; i.e. - you don't seem to have "proven" anything at all. Need we discuss the difference between "bibical" and "historical" again, for example?

All I'm saying that, as a poster on this board, no doubt there are many who would take what "you" (using that word advisedly) have to say at face value; after all, as the old saw goes, you can lead a Teamster to T-Net, but you can't force him to think. Just understand that there are a few out there who don't eat up bullsh_t so readily....and if you want to spread it, then they just might call you on it.

-scb-

[xg22]

Ok I surrender to you and Gatlin and the Foxxies.

The church was 'bombed'.

It's just that those 'bombs' didn't explode so the Church didn't blow up or get destroyed because of the bomb(ed), partially or wholly.

But if you want to live that inaccuracy, go bravely.

As for Gingrich he has more surprises for you in his thread.

[scb]

-xg22-

Yep...."live that inaccuracy". Gotcha. Funny how accurate terms can be twisted by those of your ethical persuasion into "inaccuracies", isn't it? [smile] And maybe Gingrinch "has more surprises", even on this thread....although I have no idea as to what that would have to do with the topic at hand. In any case, "surprises" and all, perhaps you should remember that, when you mandate a "go bravely" to others, such "braveness" involves speaking honestly and having the courage to resist fabricating claims as a matter of convenience. With that in mind, you might want to take l-o-n-g look in the mirror next time before pointing a finger at others.

-scb-

[Farley]

the funniest thing in this exchange is that scabby has painted himself into the corner of defending Freddie-Mac lobbyist Gingrich

[xg22]

Maybe Gatlin can do a song about this for the Fox viewers.


Real Life Imitates Monty Python

But an Armenian priest supervising the work thought that a broom held by a Greek Orthodox priest encroached on their space, and angry words swiftly became a fight.

Priests brawl in Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity


http://c.moreover.co...81&z=1250248769