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[warrenpeace]

Another election almost complete that didn't need to happen. I fully support the right to run for office but the thresholds are too low.
The only ones that benefit are the government stooges with their big salaries and the idiots they hire to count the ballots.
Think about what we could use the 15 to 20 million for, surely something that would benefit the Teamsters and their membership.
The consent decree has turned this whole thing into a expensive joke that just divides us.

Just my thoughts, I could be wrong

Warren

[apostle]

I agree warrenpeace, the election should of been decided at the convention with a Delegate vote and saved Teamster funds to invest in the teamsters instead of giving more of our members money to the government parasites, we need to change our constitution and along with that, "Get The Government out of OUR UNION".

[Walleye]

The only way we can have a truly Democratic Union is with the election process as it is now,...

[Under The Hook]

Patrick Kelly had it right at the convention when he asked Pope and Gegare to withdraw from the election and save the union millions. We could have used that money on organizing.

[TeamsterNet]

Here are my thoughts:
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~Phil

[11:58pm]

Didn't the convention tell us the same story? Does the government see the correlation between the two?

[UPS Teamster]

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

[union578]

Under The Hook, on November 18 2011 - 08:01 AM, said:

Patrick Kelly had it right at the convention when he asked Pope and Gegare to withdraw from the election and save the union millions. We could have used that money on organizing.

Organizing WHAT ? The IBT couldn't organize a circle jerk, even if they brought their own donut...Their "campaigns" have been just SO successful as of late..It's funny how you all think democracy is just dandy, but you want to deny a VOTE to everyone else. And you would not have used that money on organizing...Please blow smoke up someone else's more gullible posterior. Can;t wait for the next dues increase, WITHOUT a vote, I'm sure...

[Under The Hook]

union578, on November 19 2011 - 03:56 AM, said:

Organizing WHAT ? The IBT couldn't organize a circle jerk, even if they brought their own donut...Their "campaigns" have been just SO successful as of late..It's funny how you all think democracy is just dandy, but you want to deny a VOTE to everyone else. And you would not have used that money on organizing...Please blow smoke up someone else's more gullible posterior. Can;t wait for the next dues increase, WITHOUT a vote, I'm sure...

I'm not praising the IBT, i have plenty of "choice" words concerning that, but they just organized 18,900 correction officers in Florida. Campaigns ain't easy to win especially when we have TDU doing their share of union busting on their website. The organizing i'm talking about is at the local level without the bureaucracy of the IBT. That money could have been sent back to the JC.

[scb]

UnderTheHook;

Not sure you could say the Teamsters organized Florida's correctional workers; the truth is that they were already organized under the auspices of the PBA. The officers simply switched representation.

-scb-

[Under The Hook]

scb, on November 19 2011 - 08:07 AM, said:

UnderTheHook;

Not sure you could say the Teamsters organized Florida's correctional workers; the truth is that they were already organized under the auspices of the PBA. The officers simply switched representation.

-scb-

It was a organizing campaign either way. It wasn't like those officers just one day decided to switch unions.

[Walleye]

Under The Hook, on November 19 2011 - 09:14 AM, said:

It was a organizing campaign either way. It wasn't like those officers just one day decided to switch unions.

They were already organized in another union,

They voted to leave that union and join the Teamsters,...

The Teamsters didn't organize them,..

Just wait until they find out that our leadership doesn't like to here grievances and likes to side with management,...I wonder how long until they switch back??

[11:58pm]

It's no difference. If they went from one union to another or from no union to another, you have to work it to make it happen.

[LagunaBrown.com]

Walleye, on November 19 2011 - 09:40 AM, said:

Just wait until they find out that our leadership doesn't like to here grievances and likes to side with management,...

What a cop out, a good grievance is a good grievance. Judging by your phonics I doubt you "hear" anything different.


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[Walleye]

LagunaBrown.com, on November 19 2011 - 11:20 AM, said:

What a cop out, a good grievance is a good grievance. Judging by your phonics I doubt you "hear" anything different.


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How many hundreds or even thousands of grievances are tied up at panel for UPS and UPS Freight???

hoffa and hall are to busy in bed with UPS management to care about the members,.........

[LagunaBrown.com]

Are you just repeating the crap you pick up off the internet? Seriously, If you want to do something positive stop blaming the GP and start working with your Local. You know those guys right? The ones that gather information, process and submit cases for panel...... Stop taking the easy road of blaming someone and actually find a solution.

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[UPS Teamster]

LagunaBrown.com, on November 19 2011 - 08:35 PM, said:

Are you just repeating the crap you pick up off the internet? Seriously, If you want to do something positive stop blaming the GP and start working with your Local. You know those guys right? The ones that gather information, process and submit cases for panel...... Stop taking the easy road of blaming someone and actually find a solution.

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Just in case you didn't know. UPS contracts have National panels. These panels are controlled by the IBT in DC for the union and UPS for the company. These days the only things that get resolved locally or regionally are cases that have had national precedent set or discipline cases. discipline cases are regional only. Brother walleye is frustrated, as are a vast majority of UPSF Teamsters.

[LagunaBrown.com]

Yes and that is a very specific answer to a lot of general grievances. I get he is frustrated but eventually those grievances will become language for UPSF. Another reason to lay good ground work with your local before sending them off to the IBT and UPS for decisions.


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[freddygotfired]

I was scared to click on this topic. I understand we should try to make elections cheaper but please don't put more restrictions on our right for each Teamster to vote. In our local right now (89), Fred Zuckerman in 12 yrs has turned into a true tyrant and has did everything to destroy our Democratic Process. Since I have came out in support of his opposition a BA has went behind my back to go over my records with my management and I received a warning letter because of it and his spokesman has faked an assault infront of management and luckily I was over 3 ft away from him when he started screaming like a baby girl and his attempts to persuade management and the dozen witnesses didn't work. At the nominations non teamsters were brought in to try to intimidate the opposition and to start trouble in hopes of killing the entire process. The meeting was started off by Mr Zuckerman trying to incite the crowd into violence against a member of the oppositions slate. The only leg his corrupt candidacy has left is that a fair election will cost our local thousands of dollars. This is an ironic stance considering he has voted in a non funded "severance" that will rape our local of hundreds of thousands if were lucky enough to get him voted out. I'm all for saving money every way possible, but please don't do it by taking away from our right to vote. I personally think that fair elections save us money in the long run because when these egomaniacs don't fear being voted out, they use our dues as their own piggy banks.