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[dockman]

now there are folks calling themselves the 53%


http://money.cnn.com...htm?iid=Popular

[xg21]

That is a sad commentary that being the fact that so many people make so little money that they are below the threshold that would require them to pay Federal Taxes.

Of course that would change with Cains VAT Tax or as he call's it his 999 Plan



About 47 percent will pay no federal income taxes at all for 2009. Either their incomes were too low, or they qualified for enough credits, deductions and exemptions to eliminate their liability.
That's according to projections by the Tax Policy Center, a Washington research organization.


Read more: http://www.businessi...4#ixzz1cGVoDVtI

[dockman]

xg21, on October 30 2011 - 03:58 AM, said:

That is a sad commentary that being the fact that so many people make so little money that they are below the threshold that would require them to pay Federal Taxes.

Of course that would change with Cains VAT Tax or as he call's it his 999 Plan



About 47 percent will pay no federal income taxes at all for 2009. Either their incomes were too low, or they qualified for enough credits, deductions and exemptions to eliminate their liability.
That's according to projections by the Tax Policy Center, a Washington research organization.


Read more: http://www.businessi...4#ixzz1cGVoDVtI

but we have a record amount now living in poverty 46.2 million and what party had all the control for two whole years ? and we got a president and his wife that constantly goes on vacation and he plays golf... he gave a half a billion to a democrat solar panel company ( with non-union labor)that went bankrupt and gave another half a billion to a company to build electric cars and the cars are being built in FINLAND! and the price of the cars is more than i paid for my house! ... he passed the biggest trade deal since nafta , lets the mexican trucks in , turns a blind eye on illegal immigration ,sues states over immigration laws , didn't deliver on the EFCA and we still have the government in our union that he said he would get out....

union members are part of the 53% ... we pay the taxes here in this country and i do not want my taxes paying for some kid to go to college to party and smoke dope and major in something that doesn't pay the bills ... call me old fashioned but i was raised to take care of myself and my family ..welfare and charity is not an option with me ... i've been poor ..got married .. my wife and i had one car and lived in rent house.. a little over a year later our first child was born , we did not have insurance .. i worked two jobs and paid the doctor and the hospital myself and NEVER accepted WELFARE or charity of any kind .... these kids need to get off their asses and go to work and pay their own way through life ... and if that means farm work ,washing dishes , cleaning toilets or toting lumber at a construction site then so be it

[egghead]

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sad commentary that being the fact that so many people make so little money that they are below the threshold that would require them to pay Federal Taxes

Do you have a clue what that threshold is---Nonpaying status used to be a sure sign of poverty or near-poverty--not any more--a family of four in 2008 had to top $51,000 to pay a dollar of federal tax

Is it any wonder why folks have started to get a little pissed about the "Rage"

[dockman]

interesting website ... some of you might learn something

http://the53.tumblr.com/

[xg21]

dockman, on November 01 2011 - 09:48 PM, said:

interesting website ... some of you might learn something

http://the53.tumblr.com/

I am a 47-YO married, father of two. Neither one of my parents went to college, but they worked hard and sacrificed so I could get my degree with no college debt.


So he say's his parents paid his way.

He's 47 so he went to college app 29 years ago which was 1982.

He is actually making an excellent point that supports what has happened with the middle class since raygun (1984) got in and ramped up NAFTA which dismantled Americans manufacturing.

The good paying jobs his parents had are gone now.


And are we to believe that none of the unemployed have worked hard in the past when they had jobs?



Chicago Board of Trade Dumps McDonalds Employment Applications on Occupy Chicago Protesters



In another let them eat cake moment the Chicago Board of Trade dumped employment applications on Occupy Chicago protesters. Ostensibly telling them to get a job.

You know one of those 60,000 jobs McDonalds got one million applications for:


http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/04/28/ ... mcdonalds/


Someone at the Chicago Board of Trade issued another message to the Occupy Chicago protesters by blanketing them with these McDonald's job applications. The protesters are understandably offended by both the message and by the hundreds of pieces of new litter around them.

more


http://chicagoist.com/2011/11/01/someon ... ew_mcd.php

[Farley]

docky...you are correct...."The Backlash has Started"....Veterans are backlashing against a corporate owned government that does not value their service.....College kids have backlashed against industry that does not hire them and has outsourced their jobs and left them with crippling debt, Teachers have b acklashed against the reduction in resources needed to educate the next generation, doctors and nurses have backlashed an insurance controlled health care system that has extravigant costs and poor results. home owners have backlashed against lending institutions that cheated them and then sold their fraudulent mortgages in bundles bring down the world's economy, public employees have backlashed against those that want to destroy their jobs and use public need to increase corporate profit.....yes docky there is a backlash...and you should praise the American patriots willing to take to the streets!

[dockman]

Farley, on November 03 2011 - 06:06 PM, said:

docky...you are correct...."The Backlash has Started"....Veterans are backlashing against a corporate owned government that does not value their service.....College kids have backlashed against industry that does not hire them and has outsourced their jobs and left them with crippling debt, Teachers have b acklashed against the reduction in resources needed to educate the next generation, doctors and nurses have backlashed an insurance controlled health care system that has extravigant costs and poor results. home owners have backlashed against lending institutions that cheated them and then sold their fraudulent mortgages in bundles bring down the world's economy, public employees have backlashed against those that want to destroy their jobs and use public need to increase corporate profit.....yes docky there is a backlash...and you should praise the American patriots willing to take to the streets!

farley these kids should get an education in a field that's going to pay the bills not a degree in art or music and your complaint about outsourcing !don't you find that hypocritical when you and these protesters have no problem with in sourcing jobs with illegal aliens ! ...tell ya what i've been reading these demands of these people like
free college education..... to party on the tax payer dime

OPEN Borders .... there you go farley GLOBALISIM

AMNESTY for illegal aliens .. there you go the goof balls want jobs but they want the illegals to keep 'em

student loan forgiveness .. so they want a bailout too

the end to capitalism .... i guess that means socialism

single payer health insurance ... they want those long lines and poor healthcare that canada enjoys

and they want more government jobs ..even though the federal workforce has increased 12% since 12/2007

it's sad that we have union members wanting the government to provide the services you get with a union contract ... no wonder union organizing isn't keeping pace ,612,000 union jobs were lost in 2010 we're shrinking ...88.1% of americans are non-union and we got members out organizing and cheerleading for government programs and neglecting union organizing .... government unions don't have the right to strike and have to kiss their boss's ass (politician) to get a raise...

we live in a republic not a democracy ..protest washington and vote!

[dockman]

xg21..... clinton signed NAFTA nobody twisted his arm ..BTW al gore was for NAFTA and john kerry voted for NAFTA ...betcha voted for all three for president.... and don't forget carter deregulated trucking in 1980

and i read a poll 28% of the occupy wall street protesters are unemployed that means 72% have jobs.. and 60% voted for obama .... i suspect the other 40% wasn't at voting age or too busy partying

and i imagine those occupiers were offended with those mickey D applications.... because they think those jobs belong to illegal aliens and it's beneath them

[Farley]

Docky, docky, docky...you are spewing dishonest goBPer talking points.....at least think for yourself....some reichwing radio hate merchant finds a graduate in European literature that cannot find a job and makes every graduate that person....docky, don't you see that you are willfully ignorant and allowing yourself to be decieved? I don't know where you live but if you were to go to your closest "Occupy" movement and approach with an open mind...you could actually learn something....by the way the 47% that don't pay any income tax are not just the working poor....the top 30 corporations also pay NOTHING!

http://www.readersup...zero-income-tax

[scb]

-Farley-

Re: your claim that.....

"....the top 30 corporations also pay NOTHING!"

OK, I'll bite. Please name the top 30 corporations - the TOP THIRTY, in order, please - that "also pay nothing". For some reason or another, I suspect that among the "top 30" corporations, there were one or two which DID pay income tax...and that you're lying again.

Remember your ludicrous claims about how the "average" CEO made such and such income....and what absolute bullsh_t it was? Got a feeling this has the smell of the same type of "Farley manure" being spread

I'll be waiting breathlessly for that "top 30" list.

-scb-

[dockman]

farley people go to college all the time and don't do the research on whether there is a job market for what they major in... then boo whoooo they can't get a job for what they trained for... again farley i work during the day .. i don't listen to talk radio

[xg21]

dockman, on November 03 2011 - 07:01 PM, said:

xg21..... clinton signed NAFTA nobody twisted his arm ..BTW al gore was for NAFTA and john kerry voted for NAFTA ...betcha voted for all three for president.... and don't forget carter deregulated trucking in 1980

Clinto did a lot of continuing damage (re trade deals) to this country and for some reason that all seems forgotten even though he had the power to stop the Regan/mulroney nafta pact started in 1984.

Of course no one (congress/senate/repub/dem) has stopped this practice all though a few speak out on it.

You may not have been around to see this at the time as I was and I wanted Perot (see vid) to win so badly it hurt but alas, the bigger money always wins.


The impetus for NAFTA began with President Regan, who campaigned on a North American common market. In 1984, Congress passed the Trade and Tariff Act. This is important because it gave the President "fast-track" authority to negotiate free trade agreements, while only allowing Congress the ability to approve or disapprove, not change negotiating points. Canadian Prime Minister Mulroney agreed with Reagan to begin negotiations for the Canada-U.S. Free Trade Agreement, which was signed in 1988, went into effect in 1989.

http://www.fina-nafi...&menu=integ#ale



Clinton also enabled China to obtain permanent normalized trade relations status.


In an 83-15 vote, the Senate passed a landmark trade bill granting China permanent normalized trade relations. A major foreign policy victory for the Clinton administration, the bill ends yearly reviews of China's trade status and opens the vast Chinese market to U.S. businesses.


http://www.pbs.org/n...assage9_19.html

[dockman]

we shoulda supported Perot and Pat Buchanan because of their stance against free trade .. BUT the problem we have is the public sector unions dictate to the rest of the unions to support democrats .. reasons are
1.public sector union membership is slightly higher that the membership in the private sector

2. public members don't have leverage in contract negotiations ... washington outlawed strikes in that sector

so in order to get something in a contract public sector unions have to support politicians ( their boss) in their causes and their elections ..they've become enslaved to the democrat party ... example :immigration ... democrats want to get more voters for themselves and illegal alien labor is not a threat to the public sector unions because illegals aren't going to take the chance of being caught applying for those jobs ..Sooo the democrats call on the public sector to support amnesty in exchange for a better contract in the future ... another example : obamacare.. democrats wanted that, so they can enslave more people into supporting them.. union members have insurance but democrats wanted it so the public sector supported it ......yes sir boss can i get raise ..democrat says yup if you do what i say ...yes sir boss yes sir i'll do right away

now Free Trade ... Free Trade does not have any effect on GOVERNMENT JOBS and growing the government creates more members for the public sector unions ... they do not care for capitalism or private sector growth .. so they do not care ...... they will push for a democrat no matter what .. as long as they get taken care of .... that's why they backed Carter even thought he deregulated trucking ( it didn't effect them) Clinton ( NAFTA and China Trade did not effect them) Gore , Kerry and Obama ( all free traders and illegal alien supporters ... that does not effect the public sector )... so as long as we have private sector union members continue to be brainwashed into putting all of our eggs in one basket by supporting democrats who are only interested self preservation we will continue to see decline in the private sector union membership and high unemployment and a continued increase of those living in poverty ... because the more dependent on government assistance the more likely you'll support the democrat party ... that's what the democrat party wants ... more slaves of the government

[xg21]

Well OK, the Dems under Clinton gave China trading access and raygun started the whole Free Trade crap, but no one either Dem or CONservative has acted to have it stopped except for an Independent (sanders) and Kucinnich (D).

[scb]

-xg21-

Doesn't the fact that it's only Sanders and Kucinnich suggest something about the situation?

-scb-

[dockman]

xg21, on November 12 2011 - 04:00 PM, said:

Well OK, the Dems under Clinton gave China trading access and raygun started the whole Free Trade crap, but no one either Dem or CONservative has acted to have it stopped except for an Independent (sanders) and Kucinnich (D).

it doesn't matter clinton signed off on it......... now i can name a good pro american job conservative who opposed mexican trucks, Nafta , illegal alien labor , the WTO and china trade etc ... that was Duncan Hunter he should run for president ... i would vote for him

Ron Paul ( R ) and Walter B. Jones ( R ) are 2 more that wants nafta stopped .. but as for ron paul for president ? well... if he was the only one running against obama ..

[xg21]

So why not Paul for Prez? He hits all of the libertarian notes on cue. He is one who continues a true adhesion to the core constitutional values yet conservatives back away from him. He is what I would think is the true Tea Party candidate, no regulations and keep America's corporate issues within the USA and don't attempt to get the gov at taxpayers expense to help them out.

Continuing with the Free Trades, it will take a movement to get the parameters changed because China dosen't give a sh it what anyone else thinks.



One of the nation's largest labor unions has joined Hillsboro-based SolarWorld's anti-dumping complaint against China.

The Pittsburgh-based United Steelworkers, with more than 850,000 active members, issued a letter to the U.S. Department of Commerce and the International Trade Commission supporting claims by the Coalition of American Solar Manufacturing, a group of seven U.S. solar energy products manufacturers led by SolarWorld, that wants tariffs imposed on imported Chinese panels.

The group claims the Chinese government has subsidized home-grown solar companies, giving them an unfair advantage in the marketplace in violation of global trade treaties.

http://sustainablebu...olarworlds.html

[dockman]

if ron paul is the only guy running against obama by next year i'll vote for him ...

[Farley]

special for scabby:

http://thinkprogress...tions-no-taxes/

scabby you very loosly use the term "lie" as you lie....when you, lie about lies...is that a double lie?

people are not property, and property is not a "person" and money is not speech any more that a trunip is a kitten. and speaking of kittens scabby. did you know that every time you tell a reichwing lie jesus drowns another kitten?