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[zitofan]

What a Joke! I received yet another warning letter yesterday stating i did not follow proper loading methods. I had no clue i was getting one, was not even aware of the incident in which i was charged for. Yet a teamster rep signed off on it. WTF! Thought you guys would at least stick up for us, perhaps its true what all the older guys say: the rep must have lost the hole on tee # 9 therefore signed his signature.

I questioned the supervisor that signed it, yet he could not even give me the exact details what i did. I'm still waiting to hear... I was also transfered to another center 60 miles away for that day, never once have i been trained over there, but expected to go run a bid route.



What is the UPS company coming too??

[local107]

ok then vote for sandy pope and end ups abuse **** hoffa

[TimeBonus]

Hahaha. If you think for one second that sandy pope isn't going to play ball with the largest company in the union, your kidding yourself. She did such a great job with her local that they are bankrupt and are in another locals benefit plan. Everyone thinks they have the answers. And poster #1, what is a union rep? Business Agent you mean? Maybe Steward? I've been a steward for years, I've never signed off on anything other than my paycheck. I would contest the warning letter and submit a grievance.


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[local952]

What a Joke! I received yet another warning letter yesterday stating i did not follow proper loading methods. I had no clue i was getting one, was not even aware of the incident in which i was charged for. Yet a teamster rep signed off on it. WTF! Thought you guys would at least stick up for us, perhaps its true what all the older guys say: the rep must have lost the hole on tee # 9 therefore signed his signature.

I questioned the supervisor that signed it, yet he could not even give me the exact details what i did. I'm still waiting to hear... I was also transfered to another center 60 miles away for that day, never once have i been trained over there, but expected to go run a bid route.



What is the UPS company coming too??

First off I call bullshit on you not knowing what you are being written up for and second for you saying a union rep would allow you to be written up without explanation. Also explain how procedures change from one facility to another. Why would you have to be retrained when driving in another building?

[overallowed]

What a Joke! I received yet another warning letter yesterday stating i did not follow proper loading methods. I had no clue i was getting one, was not even aware of the incident in which i was charged for. Yet a teamster rep signed off on it. WTF! Thought you guys would at least stick up for us, perhaps its true what all the older guys say: the rep must have lost the hole on tee # 9 therefore signed his signature.

I questioned the supervisor that signed it, yet he could not even give me the exact details what i did. I'm still waiting to hear... I was also transfered to another center 60 miles away for that day, never once have i been trained over there, but expected to go run a bid route.



What is the UPS company coming too??

I am confused. You said you transferred to another center 60 miles away? Never heard of that before. Were you forced to go? In our center they have asked people to go to a near by center for the day but never have been forced. Were you a driver for the day or part timer? UPS has the same " rules " in place in all centers but some center managers enforce them and others don't. You might want to be a little more specif so we can give you the best advice available.

[zitofan]

First off I call bullshit on you not knowing what you are being written up for and second for you saying a union rep would allow you to be written up without explanation. Also explain how procedures change from one facility to another. Why would you have to be retrained when driving in another building?

Here is what you call Bullshit! I currently work out of a very small center, on October 5th I was bumped that morning because of mis communication from our management dispatch. They said I could either go home or drive to another center since they were short handed. That I did, this is a route I've done in the past and had to learn the route independitly. Yes I never knew of the mistake I made that day until I got a warning letter on the 17th. I questioned the business manager right away and he could not give me the facts of what I did wrong, other than I threw a missort into a wrong trailer upon leaving that day. I was finnally sat down on October 25th and given the facts for my warning letter(20 days later Mr. Local952). I had put a 3 day select going to Philly into the east bound trailer instead of the west bound. Our 3 day select process has changed in the last couple of months of where we send these packages. Several states go east bound- others go westbound. After consulting with my other drivers in my current center they to have not once been trained and thought all these packages go eastbound. The fact is I believe this letter was unjustified. Not finding out until 20 days after the incident is what I call bullshit. And Yes, the Union rep signed off on this with out even question me, and the Business Manager that signed off said he was told from his boss to give me one to prove a point. Piss Poor Management!

There's your Bullshit Local952!

[local952]

Here is what you call Bullshit! I currently work out of a very small center, on October 5th I was bumped that morning because of mis communication from our management dispatch. They said I could either go home or drive to another center since they were short handed. That I did, this is a route I've done in the past and had to learn the route independitly. Yes I never knew of the mistake I made that day until I got a warning letter on the 17th. I questioned the business manager right away and he could not give me the facts of what I did wrong, other than I threw a missort into a wrong trailer upon leaving that day. I was finnally sat down on October 25th and given the facts for my warning letter(20 days later Mr. Local952). I had put a 3 day select going to Philly into the east bound trailer instead of the west bound. Our 3 day select process has changed in the last couple of months of where we send these packages. Several states go east bound- others go westbound. After consulting with my other drivers in my current center they to have not once been trained and thought all these packages go eastbound. The fact is I believe this letter was unjustified. Not finding out until 20 days after the incident is what I call bullshit. And Yes, the Union rep signed off on this with out even question me, and the Business Manager that signed off said he was told from his boss to give me one to prove a point. Piss Poor Management!

There's your Bullshit Local952!

So let's start with the fact that this warning letter was issued 12 days after the incident. Per contract management has 10 calender days in which to issue the warning letter or the warning letter is untimely. That's where your 12 days come into affect. The warning letter is untimely, therefore void. Now where the 20 days comes from I don't know when earlier in your statement you say you were told of the missort by management. So what really is your issue here. Do you feel you shouldn't of gotten a warning letter for the missort or is there something else to this story. Is it the 20 days that bothers you? Or that you were not informed as to what trailer ( east or west ) that Philly loads into. That's why I'm calling bullshit. To many things don't add up here. Please explain. Inquiring minds want to know.

[overallowed]

I am still confused. You said you drove the route before but sounds to me like you are a sorter on a part time shift? Are you full time or part time? I agree that it is untimely and the union should protest it. I have never in 24.5 years heard of a warning letter coming after that many days. I really don't understand this at all. Seems to me the company wouldn't even try this since it was so late.

[krash]

I am still confused. You said you drove the route before but sounds to me like you are a sorter on a part time shift? Are you full time or part time? I agree that it is untimely and the union should protest it. I have never in 24.5 years heard of a warning letter coming after that many days. I really don't understand this at all. Seems to me the company wouldn't even try this since it was so late.

I don't understand this one either. If you came to work your guaranteed 8 hours and as Overallowed stated they can't force you to go to a totally different building so you can work. Also, did you file a grievance on the warning letter with in 5 days of finding out?

[ArmyOfOne]

Sounds to me your warning letters is B.S. Did you admit to it? Where you even asked which trailer you put it in?

"Hey, I put it in the trailer it was supposed to go in" That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Who knows what goes on with packages once you leave the building.

We just got a talk to, center wide, about exception reports. Missed, send gains, mailers, not getting on the right pallet or pigeon hole. So what, really. Send a letter to the local and UPS human relation that you dispute the companies position and deny any wrong doing. Then go and make some coin.

[Commander]

You can't grieve a warning letter. So there is no action for your steward to take, besides telling the supervisor he's an ******* for not training you!

[TimeBonus]

Of course you can grieve it. Read article 37. This happens all the time. Managers fabricating reasons for discipline. It's an unfair labor practice. You could even file NLRB charges.


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[Shaman]

U.P.S. threatened to fire me for violating a policy that didn't exist. This resulted in my Workers' Compensation case. The Union backed me until grievance panel procedures came into question. These cases require diligence and tons of paper work. Several coworkers and I eventually won our Workers' Compensation cases. We coached others on how to win their cases too. Our experience was that it takes much work and team effort to effectively tackle these issues.

The company benefits from firing older workers because they can expect more work and less problems from younger workers. The Union benefits by not having to pay full pension benefits if you are fired before retiring.

[zitofan]

Actually I did write the letter within 5 days of this incident. Never heard back from management or my union rep regarding this matter. The only thing I heard was from a former worker, she overheard a conversation about how impressed they were with my writing skills. WTF. I guess it's in the past and we move on. Funny how a few days later our supervisor was out training us on this specific matter.

[local952]

You can't grieve a warning letter. So there is no action for your steward to take, besides telling the supervisor he's an ******* for not training you!

Yes you can grieve a warning letter. Those warning letters usually do not go to first panel but can resolved at the local level

[krash]

Actually I did write the letter within 5 days of this incident. Never heard back from management or my union rep regarding this matter. The only thing I heard was from a former worker, she overheard a conversation about how impressed they were with my writing skills. WTF. I guess it's in the past and we move on. Funny how a few days later our supervisor was out training us on this specific matter.

it doesn't always happen overnight. They have to meat with the manager and possibly the labor manager. And ups will more than likely refuse to pull it but you will have your protest on file.

[UPSSup]

Of course you can grieve it. Read article 37. This happens all the time. Managers fabricating reasons for discipline. It's an unfair labor practice. You could even file NLRB charges.


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you cant grieve it thus many locals file a letter of protest on any and every warning letter just to go on record.If warning letters were grievable then many would progress to panel. If so the panels would be so bogged down that the important cases would take forever to be heard.

[krash]

you cant grieve it thus many locals file a letter of protest on any and every warning letter just to go on record.If warning letters were grievable then many would progress to panel. If so the panels would be so bogged down that the important cases would take forever to be heard.

I filed on my last warning letter and as I stated, if they refuse to pull it, then it is "under protest". Just because one file's a grievance doesn't mean it's gonna head to panel when it isn't resolved at the local level.

[LagunaBrown.com]

you cant grieve it thus many locals file a letter of protest on any and every warning letter just to go on record.If warning letters were grievable then many would progress to panel. If so the panels would be so bogged down that the important cases would take forever to be heard.

If I had a dollar every time a UPS sup said that one......Im sure that trick works for uninformed employees at your barn but if you think a member cant grieve bogus discipline you are sorely mistaken. Yes you can grieve a warning letter. It's actually smart if progressive discipline occurs and covers your ass. To do nothing will not help your case.


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