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[Pale Rider]

Hello, we are the Hourly Workers Unite Slate. Jim Anderson and the Hourly Workers are challenging Fred Zuckerman and his Pirates in the Local 89 election this December. Several thousand carhaul jobs have been lost under his watch. He supports Fred Gegare who has lost Billions in pension money. He forgot to tell Jeffboat that he wanted to open the contract. I could go on and im sure you get the point. We can no longer sit and watch this man destroy this local. Fred has lost the respect of his peers at the international level. Fred has to pay retiree Tom Trenamen to attend JAC panels just to have a shot at winning a grievance. Fred's pirates are only worried about keeping the local and there jobs not representing the membership. Fred's ego is bigger than this planet and it is time for them to go.

Members are excited that we are challenging Fred. We have a great start but need everyones help. If you could make a donation or give us any advice it would be greatly appreciated. I know there are a lot of you that would like to see Fred retire. Im sure it would feel nice to know you had a hand in helping him out the door. WE ARE NOT TDU MEMBERS.

We have A web site that you can donate to and post advice.( http://hourlyworkersunite.org/web/ )
If you would like to send a check our PO Box is: Hourly Workers Unite Slate
P.O. Box: 19093
Louisville, KY 40259
we have a facebook, look for: Hourly Workers Unite for Teamsters Local 89 Slate.

Thanks From,
The Hourly Workers.

[BeReal]

It is good that you are not TDU members as Zuckerman has been sleeping with TDU to get past his delegate election. He really is more TDU than anything else, can't be trusted, a liar, a cheat, and besides that, not too smart. The one thing he is doing, is campaigning for Zuckerman, and wants people to forget he is running with drunken Gegare and group of VP candidates they hunted down in the bathroom at the convention. Really, people heard them begging people to run with them in the bathroom before the nominations.

[Farley]

zucky has been bedding with the toodleoo for years, at least since the early 90's when he climbed in bed with Ron Carey and Ron Owen to feed his blind ambition.............I am seen this toodleooer at work....supporting the likes of Ken Mee, Sam Fenn, Jim Benson on the National Committee, regardless of their lack of experience and/or competence....it's all about zucky..never the members.

[upsfeederwhore]

Hourly workers united and pale rider... at least tell us what experience you are bringing to the table... Interested ???

[Pale Rider]

Please feel free to check out the web site. All of their information is listed. Also share this link with as many Teamsters as possible and make your donation to get rid of Fred. http://hourlyworkersunite.org/web/

[PostHoffa2011]

I want to congratulate you guys first for having the courage to exercise your right to run. Don't let anyone tell you that your breaking up the union or your a union buster. Its members like you that bring the best out of Teamsters. Anyone that has the courage to challenge and question the status quo is good in my book.

I just checked out your website. It's not bad. I was reading a little about the two guys that are running. It looks like you guys work out of the Louieville Hub. That is the largest UPS facility in the nation. I think you guys have over 7,000 members there. Considering that only between 20 and 30 percent of members vote make sure you concentrate on winning your facility. With your hub you can beat Zuckerman. You need to have people passing flyers out at all shifts. Your guys need to start making some sacrifices and put some leg work. You need to talk to people. You need to make sure you guys continue to update your website.

The only downfall I see is that it looks like you guys just decided to run and put the website up 4 months before the election. Correct me if I'm wrong. The other is that there's a general election and considering how missinformed and uneducated people are on union matters they will confuse the general election with your local election or people will simply just get burned out.

Remember your hub is big enough to take you to victory. Make sure you nail it.

[Pale Rider]

Thanks for the advice.

[Overallowed in 381]

Pale Rider, on August 13 2011 - 07:43 PM, said:

Hello, we are the Hourly Workers Unite Slate. Jim Anderson and the Hourly Workers are challenging Fred Zuckerman and his Pirates in the Local 89 election this December. Several thousand carhaul jobs have been lost under his watch. He supports Fred Gegare who has lost Billions in pension money. He forgot to tell Jeffboat that he wanted to open the contract. I could go on and im sure you get the point. We can no longer sit and watch this man destroy this local. Fred has lost the respect of his peers at the international level. Fred has to pay retiree Tom Trenamen to attend JAC panels just to have a shot at winning a grievance. Fred's pirates are only worried about keeping the local and there jobs not representing the membership. Fred's ego is bigger than this planet and it is time for them to go.

Members are excited that we are challenging Fred. We have a great start but need everyones help. If you could make a donation or give us any advice it would be greatly appreciated. I know there are a lot of you that would like to see Fred retire. Im sure it would feel nice to know you had a hand in helping him out the door. WE ARE NOT TDU MEMBERS.

We have A web site that you can donate to and post advice.( http://hourlyworkersunite.org/web/ )
If you would like to send a check our PO Box is: Hourly Workers Unite Slate
P.O. Box: 19093
Louisville, KY 40259
we have a facebook, look for: Hourly Workers Unite for Teamsters Local 89 Slate.

Thanks From,
The Hourly Workers.

[Pale Rider]

This is the convention floor while Fred Gegare is making his speach.

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[carinthos]

Let's wake up brothers and sisters of local 89. It is time for a change. We must vote for a change at our local or we will continue to lose power to our employers and have to settle for zuckermans lackluster deals. He struggles at the local level when that should be his main concern,but his slightly large ego assures him that he can do hoffas job and still maintain his local at a lackluster level because he is the mighty zuckerman. Local 89 brothers and sisters we have a real chance this year with the Hourly workers unite slate. Please vote and use your power and vote don't be a zuckerman and settle for less then we deserve.

[Nojimthusiasm89]

Hey Clipboard Jim!

Why don’t you let our fellow Teamsters know what exactly your workday consists of? Perhaps how you use your safety co-chair position to sit in the air-conditioned office with management throughout your shift, while your co-workers are out earning their paychecks through the sweat of their brows? You conveniently leave this bit of info out of your bio on your crap-filled site. Not a huge surprise, as your bio is a blend of exaggeration and omission.

Or maybe you should answer why your running mate Tony Blair was featured on Sandy Pope’s website?

Take a look:
http://sandypope2011.org/node/5459

If you are not TDU, then who and what exactly do your support? Perhaps, you stand for nothing other than your own narrow self-interests. So weak and pathetic. The fact that you would bow to anyone as long as it served your "ambitions" is exactly what 89 DOES NOT NEED!!!

Stop the B.S. Jim. You are not a lawyer. You are not a leader. You are not a worker. You are management and Liberty Mutual's lap dog, trying to mask your own incompetence as a steward by blaming local officials. Real leaders take responsibility for their failings. Stop viewing the members as the collateral damage in your arrogant attempt at ego gratification.

Running a union is vastly different than cubicle-based workday you have made for yourself.

[Pale Rider]

Once again the idiot BA ( big Vince )is putting his foot in his mouth again. He can't even put someone down without shooting hisself in the foot like Barney. Fred doesn't need any help looking bad these days but he's getting plenty of help from you Vince R. and the rest of the pirates. Yes Jim is a safety co-chair and isn't it true that Jim and most co-chairs are placed in these positions by Vince and Fred from local 89. Also isn't it true that BAs attend these same meetings. Vince if your opinion is that Union members should not be involved with keeping there co-workers safe then why is your Stepson DAMON SMITH a safety co-chair. If local 89 has this same opinion wouldn't it be wise to do away with safety committees.

As for Tony Blair's picture being on sandy's web page you are correct again but if it bothers you and the rest of the pirates so much then why did Fred Zuckerman put Tony Blair and Dave Thornsberry on the delegates slate knowing these two were not voting the Fred and Fred slate. Also it's no secret that your boss Zuckerman called Sandy and asked for her to tell all her people to vote his way ( Zuckerman ) because his lame running mate was putting no effert into his campain. Like I said we are not TDU members. You will not find a membership card for us. I do remember a time when Vince went around UPS preaching to everyone about core membership and getting out of the union. It was about that time Local 89 gave Vince a job, you know right before the last time Dave Thornsberry ran aginst Zuckerman for the local. Remember you came to Daves meetings and then sold him out to get a job. JUST LIKE YOU ARE SELLING OUT THE MEMBERS NOW.


The real kicker in this is Vince your the best asset we have. You will be zuckermans downfall. You are the weakest link.
The problem is they can't get rid of you because your job is to spread propaganda and lies to everyone and Zuckerman knows you would do that to him also.

[Truck_Plate]

Look I read your posts, checked out your website. Did some checking, .....Your guy Tony Blair is a HUGE Sandy supporter, he is on there website!

Look this is how I see it, ....If you LIE coming out of the starting gate , ......You, Pale have lost all credibility! Now it looks like your back pedaling!

Just saying......

[Tony B.]

Well Well Well, Its Truck Plate Fredy Z. Im not sure I see your point. You put me in as delegate knowing I was not voting for you at the convention. My picture was on Sandy's page before that. Im not a TDU member. Also I like Ken Hall. What did I lie about. The way I see it Hoffa, Sandy and Just about everyone else wants to see you gone. You see I am a free man in a free country and I will not be dictated to nor will I dictate to anyone who they have to support.
You on the other hand do not have the personality for anyone to like you. Therefore you have to resort to intimadation over your staff and members. The reality of it all is the members are sick and tired of Fredy for Fredy. Why would anyone want another 3 years of Fred and Vinny.

I almost frogot. I seen in another posting that you were trying to take heat off Sandy and push it on Hoffa. Does that mean you are TDU!

SPREAD THE BlAME!
Wasn't Farmer the one in charge and isn't he on HOFFA'S payroll.
He was getting paid to organize. ......aren't you supposed to out wit and out smart the other guy?
You know you got locals around the country that organize on a lot less money, and here you got the biggest PIGGY BANK ( IBT ) that spends THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of dollars and can't get the job done!!!!! All that money down the shitter.......

[Nojimthusiasm89]

Okay Okay...Pasty Rider and Tony B....


Again you try to deflect attention to your own lack of work ethic by attempting to call out someone else. Damon Smith has nothing to do with this, and if you want to bring a person's family into the fight then you're frankly beyond redemption. That's a lowly thing to do Mr. Not-So-Future-Local-President.

So again, Jim, or whichever Anderson henchmen you are (maybe the one who has donated to Fred's campaign?), tell us about your typical workday. Be sure to include all the cornhole (the game not the sex act) that you play with management throughout your day, again during the workday.

Ahhh Tony. Yeah, it is a free country. Way to mask your shamelessness in patriotism (a shameless deed in itself). So why don't you explain exactly who you are supporting for general president? Last I heard you went to the convention as an "independent" and stayed in a hotel with David "TDU" Thornsberry away from the rest of the delegate body. Maybe you wanted to be away from everyone so you could play all sides to maximize advantage for Tony. Mr. Blair being "shopped". Maybe you and the prostitutes have something in common out there in Vegas. But this is what you do best right? Choosing whichever side gets you where you need to be, all the while distancing yourself enough where you have the out of denial. Hell, didn't you tell multiple people in the Air District that Jim Anderson was the worst steward at UPS and that all he does is sit on his ass? Man Tony, can you even call yourself "two-faced" at this point?!

Oh yeah Jim, the term pirate...well, more on that one later.

[Nojimthusiasm89]

Oh yeah...and I forgot the best part about what Tony said about Jim, that all he does is sit in the office and kiss management's ass. Y'all are going to make a great team. Maybe you can help each other pull one another's knifes out of your backs.

[Truck_Plate]

Look Mr. Tony B I don't know who the hell you are, .....I really don't give a shit who you think I'am!
I was just stating my opinion on Pale Riders FIRST POST!!!! And when I saw your picture on the tdu website, .... Well I gotta tell ya it look like a lie to me.
Your friend Pale Rider was on here asking for donations and advice, and here your getting all pissy with me! I'm just telling you the way I see it!

Oh by they way asshole I'm not trying to take the heat off of Sandy, ....don't you comprehend what you read? I said SPREAD the blame, Farmer, Hoffa and Sandy!

[Nomorevinnie89]

Nojimthusiasm89, on August 15 2011 - 09:31 PM, said:

Hey Clipboard Jim!
Well I figure we have no leaders at local 89 they never take responsibility when they "F" things up. Jim dose all the leg work about video and 89 walks in and let's ups keep vedio for firing people to me that's a major "F"up and no one at local 89 said a thing about that "F" up so no leader ship there in my book













Why don’t you let our fellow Teamsters know what exactly your workday consists of? Perhaps how you use your safety co-chair position to sit in the air-conditioned office with management throughout your shift, while your co-workers are out earning their paychecks through the sweat of their brows? You conveniently leave this bit of info out of your bio on your crap-filled site. Not a huge surprise, as your bio is a blend of exaggeration and omission.

Or maybe you should answer why your running mate Tony Blair was featured on Sandy Pope’s website?

Take a look:
http://sandypope2011.org/node/5459

If you are not TDU, then who and what exactly do your support? Perhaps, you stand for nothing other than your own narrow self-interests. So weak and pathetic. The fact that you would bow to anyone as long as it served your "ambitions" is exactly what 89 DOES NOT NEED!!!

Stop the B.S. Jim. You are not a lawyer. You are not a leader. You are not a worker. You are management and Liberty Mutual's lap dog, trying to mask your own incompetence as a steward by blaming local officials. Real leaders take responsibility for their failings. Stop viewing the members as the collateral damage in your arrogant attempt at ego gratification.

Running a union is vastly different than cubicle-based workday you have made for yourself.

[IBBadDude]

PostHoffa2011, on August 14 2011 - 04:22 PM, said:

I want to congratulate you guys first for having the courage to exercise your right to run. Don't let anyone tell you that your breaking up the union or your a union buster. Its members like you that bring the best out of Teamsters. Anyone that has the courage to challenge and question the status quo is good in my book.

I just checked out your website. It's not bad. I was reading a little about the two guys that are running. It looks like you guys work out of the Louieville Hub. That is the largest UPS facility in the nation. I think you guys have over 7,000 members there. Considering that only between 20 and 30 percent of members vote make sure you concentrate on winning your facility. With your hub you can beat Zuckerman. You need to have people passing flyers out at all shifts. Your guys need to start making some sacrifices and put some leg work. You need to talk to people. You need to make sure you guys continue to update your website.

The only downfall I see is that it looks like you guys just decided to run and put the website up 4 months before the election. Correct me if I'm wrong. The other is that there's a general election and considering how missinformed and uneducated people are on union matters they will confuse the general election with your local election or people will simply just get burned out.

Remember your hub is big enough to take you to victory. Make sure you nail it.

What election have you won to give advice?

[carinthos]

Hourly workers unite let's finally wake the sleeping giant that is known as ups in the halls of of local 89 union hall. Let's get all areas of ups interested in this election and finally give the hall a president from ups and lead by example. Let's unite the hourly workers. I have worked at ups for 26 years and was a steward for over 8 years and can go on record and say zuckermans inflated ego has kept him from ever being seen on ups property to see the members at the largest company he represents. Looks to me like freddy thinks he does not need us step up ups teamsters and give freddy an ego check and show him it is us that does not need him.