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[X174driver]

Getting just enough Delegate votes at the Convention is a long way from winning the election. TDU Tom got enough in 2001 and 2006 and wasn't even close to winning.

[CAMERO]

Let us not forget Carey, not enough delegates at the convention, but the members had the last say, and Carey became General President!!!!!!!

[11:58pm]

And then down went the union followed by Carey himself which is why Hoffa is the GP and will remain so and never will the union return to the hands of tdu and their government, corporate sponsors.

[PostHoffa2011]

In 1991 Carey got 15% of total delegates and at the vote count he won with 48% and 52% in 1996. In 2001 Tom got 8% of total delegates. In 2006 he got 6% of total delegates. At the vote count he got both times over 35%. Neither Ron Carey or Tom Leedham were TDU, so lets get straight. You can't blame someone that stands against corruption and actually has the courage to stand to corporate greed and strike like Carey did in 1997 TDU.

I don't know of any good strikes Hoffa Jr has led. I don't know of any contract enforcement Hoffa has led. I do know that he has given concessions everywhere and has caused the IBT over $10 million and lost over 200,000 members under his watch.

And I do a Hoffa that will have to show on the next edition of the Teamsters magazine that he tried to bribe support and got turned down...lol.

[AnyoneButHoffa]

I do know that your hero Carey was taken out for misuse of treasury funds. I also know that your other hero TDU Tom got his ass kicked not once but twice and wasted teamster money that could have been utilized for other things as hiring organizers.

Other things I know is that Fat Freddy doesn't have a chance of getting the required delegates to get on the ballot, and in the event that Sandy Dope gets enough delegates it will result in more wasted teamster money on a landslide election favoring Hoffa again. Give it up you fucken losers, you have no chance!

"PostHoffa" your full of shit regarding the loss of members. I think you need to look at the LM2's to look at the real numbers. As far as concessions, any concessions have to be voted on by the membership. The freight industry has been decimated by a bad economy and no matter who was at the helm at the ibt, there would have been concessions for the freight members. If the members felt the concessions were inappropriate they would have rejected them.

Crazy enough, at local 120 Pumpkin head Slobandson supported Hoffa and the rest of the freight industry on the concessions. I was at the meeting listening to Pumpkin head spew from his hole that the concessions were needed to save the industry and jobs. Now he blames it on Hoffa. What a fucken hypocrite, but what else is new?

As far as the so called bribe, everyone knows it was all bullshit and the people that claimed to of been approached on a deal coincidentally are Gegare supporters. Wow, what a coincidence. I can't imagine they would have lied to advance their own agenda would you? Dumbass!

[11:58pm]

LOL! There are no "good strikes" you moron. This is their mentality folks. Beware.

[local138]

PostHoffa2011, on April 11 2011 - 07:06 PM, said:

In 1991 Carey got 15% of total delegates and at the vote count he won with 48% and 52% in 1996. In 2001 Tom got 8% of total delegates. In 2006 he got 6% of total delegates. At the vote count he got both times over 35%. Neither Ron Carey or Tom Leedham were TDU, so lets get straight. You can't blame someone that stands against corruption and actually has the courage to stand to corporate greed and strike like Carey did in 1997 TDU.

I don't know of any good strikes Hoffa Jr has led. I don't know of any contract enforcement Hoffa has led. I do know that he has given concessions everywhere and has caused the IBT over $10 million and lost over 200,000 members under his watch.

And I do a Hoffa that will have to show on the next edition of the Teamsters magazine that he tried to bribe support and got turned down...lol.

I think TDU should stand up against CORPORATE GREED and show us what companies give them money.

[BoBo]

AnyoneButHoffa, on April 11 2011 - 07:31 PM, said:

I do know that your hero Carey was taken out for misuse of treasury funds. I also know that your other hero TDU Tom got his ass kicked not once but twice and wasted teamster money that could have been utilized for other things as hiring organizers.

Other things I know is that Fat Freddy doesn't have a chance of getting the required delegates to get on the ballot, and in the event that Sandy Dope gets enough delegates it will result in more wasted teamster money on a landslide election favoring Hoffa again. Give it up you fucken losers, you have no chance!

"PostHoffa" your full of shit regarding the loss of members. I think you need to look at the LM2's to look at the real numbers. As far as concessions, any concessions have to be voted on by the membership. The freight industry has been decimated by a bad economy and no matter who was at the helm at the ibt, there would have been concessions for the freight members. If the members felt the concessions were inappropriate they would have rejected them.

Crazy enough, at local 120 Pumpkin head Slobandson supported Hoffa and the rest of the freight industry on the concessions. I was at the meeting listening to Pumpkin head spew from his hole that the concessions were needed to save the industry and jobs. Now he blames it on Hoffa. What a fucken hypocrite, but what else is new?

As far as the so called bribe, everyone knows it was all bullshit and the people that claimed to of been approached on a deal coincidentally are Gegare supporters. Wow, what a coincidence. I can't imagine they would have lied to advance their own agenda would you? Dumbass!

It seems that whenever a candidate steps forward to challenge Hoffa, there are members out there who rant about "wasted teamster money". Yes, democracy is expensive and elections are costly. But what is the cost of the alternative? Zero membership input? A General President hand picked by local union officers? That's been tried and it didn't work. How many members actually knew who Billy McCarthy was or what he stood for when he was chosen to lead our union? Roy Williams? Fitzsimmons? Jackie P? And how many citizens would be comfortable with the United States Senate choosing the President of the United States? Yes, democracy is expensive, but I'll gladly pay my share for the opportunity to exercise my right to vote for the candidate of my choice. It's a privilege that people in some countries are dying on battlefields for right now. And it's a privilege that is envied by members of less democratic unions.

Now, there are eligibility requirements in place, and rightfully so. You may recall that in 1991 it was determined that Hoffa failed to meet the requirement that a candidate be a member in good standing for the 2 years prior to nominations. I guess the law firm of Hoffa, Chodak & Robiner was not a union shop. Go figure! Sandy Pope, on the other hand, worked in a warehouse, drove a truck, and served in numerous appointed and elected positions over a period of some 30 years. She's qualified...she's eligible...and she's an accredited candidate. Get over it!

What I'm really curious about is who exactly it is that you actually support. You post as "AnyoneButHoffa", you refer to Gegare as "Fat Freddy", and you refer to Sandy as "Sandy Dope". A bit confused, aren't you "Anyone"? I'd agree that we need to replace Hoffa. I haven't seen Gegare lately but his weight would be the least of my problems. And you may not support Sandy as a candidate, but I can assure you that she is no dope.

[11:58pm]

It's not about wasting money on an election.It's about the the loosers running when they couldn't shine Hoffa's shoes let alone organize his underwear draw. Hoffa did the right thing by knocking Gegare off his slate and Pope is a joke for even thinking she brings something to the table.
So it's not about "wasting" money "on" an election but with these two non-contenders it certainly is a waste "of" money. <tic>

[local138]

BoBo, on April 12 2011 - 02:20 PM, said:

It seems that whenever a candidate steps forward to challenge Hoffa, there are members out there who rant about "wasted teamster money". Yes, democracy is expensive and elections are costly. But what is the cost of the alternative? Zero membership input? A General President hand picked by local union officers? That's been tried and it didn't work. How many members actually knew who Billy McCarthy was or what he stood for when he was chosen to lead our union? Roy Williams? Fitzsimmons? Jackie P? And how many citizens would be comfortable with the United States Senate choosing the President of the United States? Yes, democracy is expensive, but I'll gladly pay my share for the opportunity to exercise my right to vote for the candidate of my choice. It's a privilege that people in some countries are dying on battlefields for right now. And it's a privilege that is envied by members of less democratic unions.

Now, there are eligibility requirements in place, and rightfully so. You may recall that in 1991 it was determined that Hoffa failed to meet the requirement that a candidate be a member in good standing for the 2 years prior to nominations. I guess the law firm of Hoffa, Chodak & Robiner was not a union shop. Go figure! Sandy Pope, on the other hand, worked in a warehouse, drove a truck, and served in numerous appointed and elected positions over a period of some 30 years. She's qualified...she's eligible...and she's an accredited candidate. Get over it!

What I'm really curious about is who exactly it is that you actually support. You post as "AnyoneButHoffa", you refer to Gegare as "Fat Freddy", and you refer to Sandy as "Sandy Dope". A bit confused, aren't you "Anyone"? I'd agree that we need to replace Hoffa. I haven't seen Gegare lately but his weight would be the least of my problems. And you may not support Sandy as a candidate, but I can assure you that she is no dope.

I would like to ask Sandy Pope if you can!t run a local how are you going to run the International and as a TDU member who claims to be opened and honest why don!t you say what companies give money to TDU and why did you make a deal with C@S.I also think you are not a dope just misguided

[BoBo]

11:58pm, on April 12 2011 - 02:33 PM, said:

It's not about wasted money. It's about the the loosers running when they couldn't shine Hoffas shoes let alone organize his underware. losers like Sandy Pope and Gegare. Hoffa did thevrught thing by knocking that loudmouth off his slate.

You'll have to talk to AnyoneButHoffa about the wasted money argument. That was his issue, not mine. My concern is that there are way too many people willing to "shine Hoffa's shoes" and too few people willing to tell him which feet they go on. I'm not a Gegare fan...don't think much of him at all...but I'm not convinced that Hoffa knocked him off his slate. It's my understanding that Gegare jumped from the Hoffa slate...and he apparently did it before Hoffa could offer him one of those no show job deals. Bad timing Freddy!

[BoBo]

11:58pm, on April 12 2011 - 02:01 AM, said:

LOL! There are no "good strikes" you moron. This is their mentality folks. Beware.

There are no good strikes? I would disagree. I don't know how much experience you've had with collective bargaining, but there are times when you've made every possible attempt to reach a fair settlement. There are times when you recognize that the employer is engaging in surface bargaining and determined to reach impasse. There are times when the employer will spend a full day in a caucus, only to return to the table with a last, best and final offer that guts previously agreed to language and includes a substandard 2 tier wage proposal. The union bargaining committee is left with no alternative but to recommend a strike vote. That's not an easy thing to do when you consider that you will continue to receive your salary while those members are puting it all on the line. When you do it...and win that strike...that's a good strike. You've, in all liklihood inflicted serious pain on an employer that had hoped to do just that to his employees. There's nothing pretty about it. You need to have confidence in the members and they have to have confidence in you and their bargaining committee. You must be sure that you did everything you could to reach an agreement that the members could live with.

A good example of a good strike: UPS

A good example of a bad strike: OverNite

An employer lead negotiator for a large company once said "I'll never give to you what you don't have the power to take from me." The strike vote is a simple procedure. Building up to that strike vote takes a lot of work, strategy, and regular communication with the members.

[local138]

BoBo, on April 12 2011 - 04:28 PM, said:

There are no good strikes? I would disagree. I don't know how much experience you've had with collective bargaining, but there are times when you've made every possible attempt to reach a fair settlement. There are times when you recognize that the employer is engaging in surface bargaining and determined to reach impasse. There are times when the employer will spend a full day in a caucus, only to return to the table with a last, best and final offer that guts previously agreed to language and includes a substandard 2 tier wage proposal. The union bargaining committee is left with no alternative but to recommend a strike vote. That's not an easy thing to do when you consider that you will continue to receive your salary while those members are puting it all on the line. When you do it...and win that strike...that's a good strike. You've, in all liklihood inflicted serious pain on an employer that had hoped to do just that to his employees. There's nothing pretty about it. You need to have confidence in the members and they have to have confidence in you and their bargaining committee. You must be sure that you did everything you could to reach an agreement that the members could live with.

A good example of a good strike: UPS

A good example of a bad strike: OverNite

An employer lead negotiator for a large company once said "I'll never give to you what you don't have the power to take from me." The strike vote is a simple procedure. Building up to that strike vote takes a lot of work, strategy, and regular communication with the members.

A good example of how to destroy the warehouse division of the teamsters is the agreement that ron, sandy and tom signed with c@s.

[BoBo]

local138, on April 12 2011 - 03:39 PM, said:

I would like to ask Sandy Pope if you can!t run a local how are you going to run the International and as a TDU member who claims to be opened and honest why don!t you say what companies give money to TDU and why did you make a deal with C@S.I also think you are not a dope just misguided

If that's something you'd like to ask Sandy then you should. She's not hard to find and she's pretty straightforward with answers to questions. I don't know if she can answer for TDU but that issue has been addressed by TDU time and again. Incidently, regarding the first part of your question, Sandy can and does serve as principal officer of a local union, but I'd kinda' like to ask Hoffa why, if he never even ran a local, how did he think he was going to run the International? Wait...don't tell me...let me guess...it was the name thing, right?

[RealTeam]

BoBo, on April 12 2011 - 05:36 PM, said:

If that's something you'd like to ask Sandy then you should. She's not hard to find and she's pretty straightforward with answers to questions. I don't know if she can answer for TDU but that issue has been addressed by TDU time and again. Incidently, regarding the first part of your question, Sandy can and does serve as principal officer of a local union, but I'd kinda' like to ask Hoffa why, if he never even ran a local, how did he think he was going to run the International? Wait...don't tell me...let me guess...it was the name thing, right?

No. It's that Sandy is a friggin' idiot, and DropDeadFred is a friggin' drunk, and that Brother Jim Hoffa is the best qualified to lead the Union during the coming battles ahead. When we were all in LA at the Staples Center Jim Hoffa was at the front. I was fortunate and blessed enough to attend this event and watch Brothers Hoffa, Middleton, Cammack, Hall, Aloise, Kelly et. al. walk the walk with us rank and file Teamsters. It's not the name, stupid. It's all about qualifications.

Unlike you, you spineless TDU weasel, I am not afraid to use my name. God will not have His work made manifest by cowards. So crawl back under your rock, or slither. And when Jim Hoffa wins again, I will laugh when you are reduced to the babbling stages of infancy, whimpering and crying like the TDU idiot we all know you are.

Sincerely,
Brother Mark Sparacino

[local138]

BoBo, on April 12 2011 - 05:36 PM, said:

If that's something you'd like to ask Sandy then you should. She's not hard to find and she's pretty straightforward with answers to questions. I don't know if she can answer for TDU but that issue has been addressed by TDU time and again. Incidently, regarding the first part of your question, Sandy can and does serve as principal officer of a local union, but I'd kinda' like to ask Hoffa why, if he never even ran a local, how did he think he was going to run the International? Wait...don't tell me...let me guess...it was the name thing, right?

The fact that Sandy is running a local that is bleeding money ,losing members and in the past has driven over Teamster picket lines speaks for itself.I must have missed that memo from Paff telling us what companies he get his money from ,so I ask once again SANDY does it offend you that you belong to an organization that takes money from corporations that hurt Unions.

[AnyoneButHoffa]

Brother Mark, absolutely beautiful! I couldn't have said it any better!

As far as my support, my screen name is "anyonebuthoffa" but I am 100% a Hoffa supporter. I decided to hijack the name before any of these TDU pussies grabbed it, so TDU can kiss my ass!

There is one question I have for the Tnet community...where the hell have the Slobandson clan disappeared to? The questions got to difficult for "frightening for the members" Brad Slawson Sr. and his horrible grammar and CAP TYPED MESSAGES. WHERE THE FUCK HAVE YOU GONE PUMPKIN HEAD? SHOULD WE SEND OUT A SEARCH SQUAD FOR YOU? BETTER YET, MAYBE YOU CAN GET OVER YOUR DAILY HANG OVER? I KNOW, I KNOW...YOU WILL BLAME IT ON THE MEMBERS FOR PAYING FOR YOUR BOOZE, RIGHT? IT'S THE MEMBERS FAULT THAT YOU ARE HUNG OVER AGAIN MR. SECRETARY TREASURE BEST TEAMSTER EVER.

Well you better live it up while you can Pumpkin head because your days of living high off the hog will soon come to an end when I kick your ass to the curb! Explain to everyone why and how you deserve $312,000 a year while our membership is experiencing wage freezes and cuts because of the bad economy. Explain to everyone how you justify getting a car allowance, paid gas, paid automobile insurance, paid car maintenance all from local 120, yet you are out of town sometimes six days a week? While members at 120 are getting pay cuts you are giving staff raises and hiring a mistress for your kid but calling her a business agent? C'mon, I challenge you...jump on your soap box like you did on Sunday at the membership meeting and talked shit about the General President. Explain how stealing from the treasury wasn't enough so now you are stealing from the drive funds?

We await your bullshit.

[544and120driver]

AnyonebutHoffa,
If you are a BA, why wouldn't you walk down the hall and knock on Sr's door? If he is out of town, leave him a message? Why wouldn't you contact the IRB if what you say is true? If you are a true believer in Tom Keegel why don't you approach him with your accusations? Tom Keegel has also distanced himself from Hoffa. Tom Keegel is probably the greatest Teamster I have ever met. Why not contact President Hoffa? If our Board has jumped off the Hoffa bandwagon I'm sure Hoffa is looking for any dirt he can find on Sr. You have valid points that need to be addressed, but airing them here is not the way to do it. I think if you had proof of the misdeeds occuring in 120 you would have taken a different route to exposing the Slawson's. Maybe I'm wrong, but my personel thought is a true Teamster wouldn't discuss this type of business where anyone can read it. An elected BA works for the members, not the staff. If what you say is true, then as a Teamster, you need to come forward.

[Hawfuh_Hater]

AnyoneButHoffa, on April 13 2011 - 05:35 AM, said:

my screen name is "anyonebuthoffa" but I am 100% a Hoffa supporter. I decided to hijack the name

Here's some more names you should hijack--

AnybodyButHawfuh

No,Really,AnyFrigginBody

70AndOut

GetOffaTheThroneHoffa

Hoffa,OurFailedFalseAnswer

ThankfullyTheresNoMoreJimHoffasInLine

[BoBo]

local138, on April 13 2011 - 04:06 AM, said:

The fact that Sandy is running a local that is bleeding money ,losing members and in the past has driven over Teamster picket lines speaks for itself.I must have missed that memo from Paff telling us what companies he get his money from ,so I ask once again SANDY does it offend you that you belong to an organization that takes money from corporations that hurt Unions.

Actually 138, there was no 'memo from Paff" regarding TDU funding. But there was a response from TDU addressing that oft repeated and innacurate urban legend. It was also posted here on TeamsterNet some time ago. You can view that response at http://tdu.org/thebiglie. You also seem to address me as "SANDY" in the question posed regarding this issue. I can assure you, I am not Sandy and I am in no way connected to her campaign. I do have an interest in Teamster elections and a concern about the future of the labor movement. Frankly, I'm convinced that leaders like Jim Hoffa and Andy Stern, as well as Stern's successor, Mary Kay Henry, have damaged the labor movement to the extent that it may not survive another 10 years of self serving top down leadership. I hope I'm wrong about the pending demise of organized labor, but Hoffa isn't going to change and Gegare is not the answer.