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[IBBadDude]

SHIFTALKER, on February 28 2011 - 03:23 PM, said:

Mubarek felt exactly the same way about the mob of jobless and underemployed people demonstrating in his country.

I too vote for SHIFTALKER

[scb]

SHIFTALKER, on February 28 2011 - 03:23 PM, said:

Mubarek felt exactly the same way about the mob of jobless and underemployed people demonstrating in his country.

-Shiftalker-

Is that right? You have a long talk with "Mubarek" by way of discovering his feelings, did ya'? [smile]

Sorry, "Shiftalker", but pompous silliness like you just mouthed doesn't cut much with me. You want to compare "Mubarek" with the the democratic majority (a RECENTLY DETERMINED majority, I might add!), then you go right ahead. As for me, I would consider as being a little more "dictator-like" those minority elements of society which seek to enslave the majority to their wishes. Those, to me, are the "Mubareks".

In any case, if you've got an "in" with "Mubarek" and how he felt/feels, then you let me know. Personally, I doubt if you speak a hint of Arabic or have ever even ventured close to where "Mubarek" did his business..but, then again, maybe I'm wrong. I'm well aware that leftist thugs - such as Ortega in Nicaragua, Chavez in Venezuela, Correo in Equador, etc. - have close ties with the remaining North African tin-pan dictator, so perhaps there's reason to believe that someone like you had a relationship with "Mubarek" as well. Strangers things have happened, I guess.

In any case, you planning a mobocracy event like which occurred in Egypt are you? Feel "downtrodden" by those exercising their constitutional right to vote? Think that's the way things should be handled here as well, do you? If so, might I suggest you take a look in the future when, if by chance, YOUR side is in democratic control of the government. Think you'll be just as sensitive to the wishes of a minority mob then when it tries to intimidate YOUR side out of using its democratic rights?

That's a serious question. Not many Teamsters I've found are serious enough themselves to answer it responsibility. They think that "damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead" is always the answer. And that belief if one aspect of the reason they've got their asses kicked so badly over the last few decades; "thinking with your dick" isn't all that successful a method of obtaining economic redress....especially when that's basically all you have to offer.

-scb-.

[SHIFTALKER]

scb, on February 28 2011 - 04:15 PM, said:

-Shiftalker-

Is that right? You have a long talk with "Mubarek" by way of discovering his feelings, did ya'? [smile]

Sorry, "Shiftalker", but pompous silliness like you just mouthed doesn't cut much with me. You want to compare "Mubarek" with the the democratic majority (a RECENTLY DETERMINED majority, I might add!), then you go right ahead. As for me, I would consider as being a little more "dictator-like" those minority elements of society which seek to enslave the majority to their wishes. Those, to me, are the "Mubareks".

In any case, if you've got an "in" with "Mubarek" and how he felt/feels, then you let me know. Personally, I doubt if you speak a hint of Arabic or have ever even ventured close to where "Mubarek" did his business..but, then again, maybe I'm wrong. I'm well aware that leftist thugs - such as Ortega in Nicaragua, Chavez in Venezuela, Correo in Equador, etc. - have close ties with the remaining North African tin-pan dictator, so perhaps there's reason to believe that someone like you had a relationship with "Mubarek" as well. Strangers things have happened, I guess.

In any case, you planning a mobocracy event like which occurred in Egypt are you? Feel "downtrodden" by those exercising their constitutional right to vote? Think that's the way things should be handled here as well, do you? If so, might I suggest you take a look in the future when, if by chance, YOUR side is in democratic control of the government. Think you'll be just as sensitive to the wishes of a minority mob then when it tries to intimidate YOUR side out of using its democratic rights?

That's a serious question. Not many Teamsters I've found are serious enough themselves to answer it responsibility. They think that "damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead" is always the answer. And that belief if one aspect of the reason they've got their asses kicked so badly over the last few decades; "thinking with your dick" isn't all that successful a method of obtaining economic redress....especially when that's basically all you have to offer.

-scb-.

Now now scb, let's try to keep your mind out of the gutter and off my "dick" if you please. (smile)

Scb calls working people derelicts and parasites who want ALL the cookies without earning ANY of them. That tells me all I need to know about his character. that and the fact that he is so focused on my penis.

The public sector workers agreed to take their cuts. Is that really wanting ALL the cookies, scb? But scb is the person who said "American workers are doing better than ever before" just three years ago. That's how out of touch scb is.

I wonder what scb does that is more important and worthy of more cookies than a policeman? Maybe he earns more cookies by playing with cocks?

The only people tearing this country’s economy down are the America-hating corporations that take their jobs overseas and the elected leaders that let them. Oh, and people like scb who cheer them on. That is more anti-american than anything I can think of.

Scb, do yourself a favor and go to church and listen to the gospel of Jesus Christ. Or if you worship Satan (that is how you come off from reading your posts) at least take in a viewing of “A Christmas Carol”. I recommend the original with Alistair Sim.

I just hope you never find yourself in a position where you need a cop or a fireman to save your life. Karma can be a bitch.(smile)

[scb]

SHIFTALKER, on February 28 2011 - 04:35 PM, said:

Now now scb, let's try to keep your mind out of the gutter and off my "dick" if you please. (smile)

Scb calls working people derelicts and parasites who want ALL the cookies without earning ANY of them. That tells me all I need to know about his character. that and the fact that he is so focused on my penis.

The public sector workers agreed to take their cuts. Is that really wanting ALL the cookies, scb? But scb is the person who said "American workers are doing better than ever before" just three years ago. That's how out of touch scb is.

I wonder what scb does that is more important and worthy of more cookies than a policeman? Maybe he earns more cookies by playing with cocks?

The only people tearing this country's economy down are the America-hating corporations that take their jobs overseas and the elected leaders that let them. Oh, and people like scb who cheer them on. That is more anti-american than anything I can think of.

Scb, do yourself a favor and go to church and listen to the gospel of Jesus Christ. Or if you worship Satan (that is how you come off from reading your posts) at least take in a viewing of "A Christmas Carol". I recommend the original with Alistair Sim.

I just hope you never find yourself in a position where you need a cop or a fireman to save your life. Karma can be a bitch.(smile)

-Shiftwaker-

Quite a convaluted way of avoiding answering a question there, guy. Think I'm beginning to understand why you call yourself "Shiftalker"; any topic you can't deal with, you "shift" your "talk" away from. One wonders why? [smile...quite a "surprise" that!]

Or perhaps you're name is actually "Sh_talker"...if only because you spread more than a little bit of it your in your posts. For instance, your....

"Scb calls working people derelicts and parasites who want ALL the cookies without earning ANY of them"

Pray tell, just WHEN and WHERE did I call WORKING people "derelicts and parasites"? Show me, "big guy"...show me SPECIFICALLY, will ya'? Personally I don't think I called "working people" any such thing. But it wouldn't be like you to LIE again, would it?!? Oh no! Oh no INDEED! [cackle]

As for your claim that "the public sector workers agreed to take their cuts", would you care to just me just WHERE and WHEN again that the "public sector workers agreed to take their cuts"...like what amount of "cuts" they agreed to, and when they voted on taking them? Or when the the formal "cuts" proposal was passed on to the government? And just what ARE "the cuts", exactly, and for how long they are applicable? Surely a smart guy like you who loves to shoot his mouth off could answer THOSE questions couldn't he? I mean surely he'd go out of his way to NOT to demonstrate once again that he was little more than a piss-ant liar, wouldn't he? Go ahead; I'l be waiting.

As for your "plays with cocks" and other typical union bozo potshots, don't think I need say anymore than that I acknowledge them...and to say that I expect nothing better of an individual or your peculiar "moral" persuasion. Of course they fit right in with your throwing the need for "Jesus" at OTHERS. Some might wonder why you don't get that beam out of your own eye before you start trying to cast the motes out of others. And I would be one of them.

Lastly, might I ask what "cops and firemen" have to do with the equation? Just where did THEY come into it? Are you saying that, for one reason or another, "cops and firemen", because they happen to be union, can NOT be counted upon to do there when called upon? That they DISCRIMINATE in the aid they give, even though they're paid by the public at large? What?

Hopefully you didn't bite off more than you can chew, "Shift"; perhaps you'll be able to overcome what has, up until now, been your inability to answer questions on topics YOU raised. And perhaps you'll grow tired of repeatedly displaying your lack of honesty and integrity (you must make your union SO proud...grin!). Anyway, the ball is in your court. Personally, I'd wager that you'll just "shiftalk" again, but perhaps you'll show me otherwise. Go ahead; demonstrate what you've got, "big guy"!

-scb-

[Shaman]

I like your style. No wonder so many react to you.

[Sandy in '16]

I vote for SHIFTALKER

[scb]

Sandy in'16, on February 28 2011 - 06:18 PM, said:

I vote for SHIFTALKER

-Sandy-

Always get a kick out of Teamsters who think matters of integrity are something subject to "a vote". "Situation ethics" taken to the extreme, I guess.

That said, I acknowledge that, for a long time, a considerable portion of the Teamsters Union has been "justifying" unethical behavior while at the same time burying their head in the sand to the consequences of that behavior (along with reality in general) as it compounds to their detriment. After all, not many organizations can claim the long history of felonious conduct on the part of their leadership that the IBT can.

Guess it's unfortunate (for the Teamsters, that is; for society in general, "no") that those the Teamsters depend on for their sustenance don't see their "voting" ability in quite the same way. Instead, many "outsiders" - including potential employers - see the matter of "integrity" as something beyond mere convenience subject to a popularity contest.

-scb-

[Shaman]

scb, on February 28 2011 - 06:37 PM, said:

-Sandy-

Always get a kick out of Teamsters who think matters of integrity are something subject to "a vote". "Situation ethics" taken to the extreme, I guess.

That said, I acknowledge that, for a long time, a considerable portion of the Teamsters Union has been "justifying" unethical behavior while at the same time burying their head in the sand to the consequences of that behavior (along with reality in general) as it compounds to their detriment. After all, not many organizations can claim the long history of felonious conduct on the part of their leadership that the IBT can.

Guess it's unfortunate (for the Teamsters, that is; for society in general, "no") that those the Teamsters depend on for their sustenance don't see their "voting" ability in quite the same way. Instead, many "outsiders" - including potential employers - see the matter of "integrity" as something beyond mere convenience subject to a popularity contest.

-scb-

I recently posted a note regarding the integrity problems of organized labor on my facebook wall. Here is the note as well as a few of the comments:

What Unions need......
by Charlie Engel on Tuesday, February 22, 2011 at 11:33am

Organized labor is not in need of more anger and militancy. What we need is common sense and an ability to set a good example. We could start with programs to educate the membership in the history of the labor movement as well as labor law. These are programs that could easily be set up at selected locals. Open grievance panel hearings are a necessity. The whistle blower is not likely to be guaranteed protection under the law if only a selected audience is watching. The hearings wouldn't have to be open to everyone. Stewards and alternates should have access to these hearings. It's a simple way for our brothers and sisters to learn how the Union works and to gain the necessary background for moving into the position of Business Agent or other position of service. Engaging in community service projects that would inspire, motivate and endear fellow citizens would be another plus. Being a Union member doesn't automatically make you a better human being. Being a Union Member often times means that you are one of a flock.

The quality of Union membership is an indication of the integrity of the majority of the members. The same can be said for Democracy. Problems exist to the degree that individuals are poorly educated and lacking in integrity. Union leaders and corporate managers have a tendency to shy away from hiring people that are more intelligent and/or aware than they are. We end up a situation such as we have now.

I assembled approximately 4,000 pages of documents while addressing problems in the work place. I gave over 1,000 pages of deposition. I underwent five psychological exams. I obtained copies. My documents were submitted to and I was questioned by the Alameda County District Attorney's Office. I alleged that U.P.S. and the Teamsters Union were working together to deny the worker basic rights. I submitted documents to and was questioned by the F. B. I. after the District Attorney told me that his office did not have jurisdiction over R.I.C.O. Act (Racketeering) violations. I was told that the statute of limitations had expired on my complaint (when in fact it hadn't). I filed a petition with the California State Supreme Court after being denied a hearing by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. The State Supreme Court denied me a hearing without explaining why. I learned that the system is designed to protect those in power and that fairness is, for the most part, a myth that is intended to placate the masses. I'm not bitter. I received an amazing education while meeting many inspiring people. I'm still engaged in community service too!

My current passion is Permaculture. I am looking forward to taking courses. I encourage others to do so too.

Charlie Engel

Permaculture on Wikipedia @ http://en.wikipedia....ry:Permaculture

COMMENTS

Rabbi Gershon Steinberg-Caudill Cynthia C. Tidwell writes: We need stronger unions, not gutted unions. The American worker is losing ground...not just financially, but in working conditions. I think the corporate class would like to see workers living in fear, groveling for any kind of job, at any pay...like the good old days before unions.
February 22 at 1:14pm · Like

Charlie Engel I agree with you Rabbi. The steps mentioned above would constitute a simple and positive step in that direction. It would be healthy to think of Union members as being exceptionally ethical, protectors of industry as well as their fellow workers.
February 22 at 1:17pm · Like

Rabbi Gershon Steinberg-Caudill I used to listen to my grandpa describe conditions in the coal mines before the unions came along. 16 hour days; 6 days a week; no health benefits; you rented your house from the Company; you bought your food and clothes from the Company store; you attended the Company Church on Sunday (death was the only excuse accepted for not being in attendance); you worked without safety equipment or safety procedures, etc., etc.


February 22 at 1:20pm · Like

Charlie Engel I agree with you Rabbi. We should cherish our Unions like we should cherish our Churches. Still, we should take the necessary steps to safeguard integrity. Think of it as a direction to move in rather than a goal to achieve.
February 22 at 1:28pm · Like

Rabbi Gershon Steinberg-Caudill And just like a lot of Churches and synagogues (and, I suppose, mosques), there is always a faction of a leadership group who will seek to control; to take power, and to use it unjustly. If WE, the members, fail in our duty to demand that our organizations, churches and synagogues act JUSTLY, than the blame rests directly on us.
This is WHY I support causes that require Judaism, and Israel, to treat the "stranger in our midst" with justice and equality; honesty and dignity.
February 22 at 1:32pm · Unlike · 1 person

Charlie Engel Thank you for the comments Rabbi. Friends like you have a tendency to enrich my life and open my heart. Namaste
February 22 at 1:34pm · Like · 1 person

Holly Michele You cannot legislate common sense. ~♥~
February 22 at 2:14pm · Unlike · 1 person

Rabbi Gershon Steinberg-Caudill If you don't legislate what should be common sense, those who own everything will enslave the rest.
February 22 at 2:18pm · Unlike · 2 people

Rabbi Gershon Steinberg-Caudill http://vimeo.com/20089255
February 22 at 2:55pm · Like

Sherri Henry Great writing Charlie. Education is the key. Local unions have the opportunity to educate the worker on the basics of the NLRA but choose not too. There is a reason for that, unfortunately it usually doesn't work to their advantage. It is very easy to say that people have a bad union contract because the employer shot them a raw deal. That is not always the case, in fact it is rarely the case. That doesn't make either party bad. Employees have little to do in the process of collective bargaining. Realistically, they vote twice - once to choose a representative and a second time [sometimes] to ratify a contract. Outside of that they are virtually invisible. Not because the law condones it, simply it is because they do not know how to be effectively involved. A lack of education re: section 7 rights and the NLRA as it pertains to collective bargaining is the cause. I work consistently to approach companies through my organization to allow them the opportunity to utilize our services free of charge. A one hour seminar/training on the NLRA, workers rights, unions rights and employer rights. The election, negotiation and ratification processes. Hopefully, we can make a difference.
February 22 at 7:32pm · Like · 2 people

Charlie Engel Sherri is a former organizer for the Teamsters Union. She has a passion for serving the worker. You may want to contact Sherri for more information regarding the seminar/training that she offers on the National Labor Relations Act. Thank you for the suggestions Sherri.
February 22 at 7:35pm · Like · 2 people

MeriKae Murie Leavitt To: Rabbi Gershon Steinberg-Caudill:The Jews have the Torah a truly Holy book with which to follow and draw from, what do unions have to guide and keep them form corruption. Another Document I feel is sacred is our Constitution but No faction or Government entity seems to be following that any more. so how do you fix a broken union "concept" when power and money is the most important, and they have run a muck.
February 23 at 8:27am · Like

Rabbi Gershon Steinberg-Caudill The Torah (and the New Testament) has not kept those who provide jobs from not paying a worker a decent percentage of the profits as the Torah stipulates. It is the Torah itself, that requires that common people share in providing for the welfare of those poor, widowed, orphaned, etc., by the leaving of the corners of our fields for them; by allowing every third tithe to be the Poor Tithe, etc.
February 23 at 8:30am · Unlike · 2 people

MeriKae Murie Leavitt But it helps give an ethical guideline, whereas everything in Government that is right is being amended out of existence by ALL factions and gov entities whether it is the peoples voice or not.
thus opening the way for total chaos, and brutality by these factions.
February 23 at 9:05am · Like

Holly Michele It is time to get back to common law and stop the madness with commercial law we've lived with for so long.
February 23 at 1:53pm · Like · 1 person

Maryanne Tracy-Baker Since I am an associate Union Member and my husband Bill is with the Alameda Labor Council. We agree Charlie that people need to know what the history is and to quote my husband weather your Union or not people need a living wage, health care and retirement and fair trade and jobs in America!
Saturday at 9:07am · Like

Charlie Engel I agree with you 100%. Additionally, the Labor Movement would benefit from cleaning up their image. The key is in the grievance panels. Open and accountable grievance panels would be a huge step in the right direction. We have a serious problem when The National Labor Relations Board is deferring possible NLRA violations to corrupt grievance panels. Union membership with be viewed as a plus by the public to the extent to the extent that the worker and as well as corporate America is provided with a non-discriminatory "protector". Lets hope that it isn't only a dream that the term "Union Workers" become synonymous with truth and integrity in the work place.
Saturday at 12:47pm · Like

Kristina Peterson I love that people are discussing "the condition of things" on my page! Art, science, history (which I belieeve we must understand), philosophy (we need to explore), the way we do what we do...... I love exploring all of this.....discussing all of these things. The history of labor is so very important...and so bloody. This is what makes me sad. Rights that were won in blood are now taken for granted.....and there no longer appears to be any will to fight.
Saturday at 1:12pm · Like

Charlie Engel You hit the nail on the head. We really don't have to fight though. I believe that it would be enough if we were to simply set a good example.
Saturday at 1:15pm · Like

Maryanne Tracy-Baker Bill and I totally agree and Kristina you are right. The reason they don't want to fight for their brothers is because Corporate threatens them and says if you back them you can go home. Seen it several times and they have families so they are intimidated by the management who are non-union. When they should stand up and fight in numbers! Rest assured Bill and I are not sitting back and letting this happen
Yesterday at 9:49am · Like

Maryanne Tracy-Baker Let me clarify myself when I say fighting. Peaceful demonstrations, getting the issues out there! We have to fight for what is right for the working class and their families. Protesting in numbers which I have done. Making our voices heard.
Yesterday at 9:54am · Like · 1 person

Maryanne Tracy-Baker Thanks Spencer you are one Smart Dog! Maybe we should get you a Union Card!
Yesterday at 3:32pm · Like

[Sandy in '16]

scb, on February 28 2011 - 06:37 PM, said:

-Sandy-

Always get a kick out of Teamsters who think matters of integrity are something subject to "a vote". "Situation ethics" taken to the extreme, I guess.

That said, I acknowledge that, for a long time, a considerable portion of the Teamsters Union has been "justifying" unethical behavior while at the same time burying their head in the sand to the consequences of that behavior (along with reality in general) as it compounds to their detriment. After all, not many organizations can claim the long history of felonious conduct on the part of their leadership that the IBT can.

Guess it's unfortunate (for the Teamsters, that is; for society in general, "no") that those the Teamsters depend on for their sustenance don't see their "voting" ability in quite the same way. Instead, many "outsiders" - including potential employers - see the matter of "integrity" as something beyond mere convenience subject to a popularity contest.

-scb-

Felonious conduct like Enron, WorldCom, Tyco International, BP, DuPont, Halliburton, or Union Carbide that killed thousands in Bhopal in 1984?

If thats your idea of "integrity" you should go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut.

I still vote for SHIFTALKER.

And I agree with Shiftalker the original Christmas Carol is very good. You might also want to check out "It's A Wonderful Life" or "The Grinch Who Stole Christmas" as they posess the same medicine your shriveled heart so desperately needs.

[scb]

Sandy in'16, on February 28 2011 - 06:56 PM, said:

Felonious conduct like Enron, WorldCom, Tyco International, BP, DuPont, Halliburton, or Union Carbide that killed thousands in Bhopal in 1984?

If thats your idea of "integrity" you should go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut.

I still vote for SHIFTALKER.

And I agree with Shiftalker the original Christmas Carol is very good. You might also want to check out "It's A Wonderful Life" or "The Grinch Who Stole Christmas" as they posess the same medicine your shriveled heart so desperately needs.

"Sandy"

I wasn't aware that we were discussing "Enron, WorldCom, Tyco International, BP, DuPont, Halliburton, or Union Carbide" or such....nor, in terms of the topic at hand, am I sure what they have to do with the price of eggs, so to speak. But your diversion along those lines provides a clue as to why you would "vote" for "shift-talker", doesn't it? [smile]

Anyway, thanks from the bottom of my "shriveled heart" for bringing something "substantive" to the thread.....

-scb-

[minnteamster]

Seriously, why was Gegare in LA and not Wisconsin? That's fucked up.

[IBBadDude]

minnteamster, on February 28 2011 - 07:37 PM, said:

Seriously, why was Gegare in LA and not Wisconsin? That's fucked up.

I vote for you too.

that is too funny but so true

[Straight Shooter]

FRED GEGARE has been at the capital for several days for this issue and still keeps his previous commitments. The locals in Wisconsin have done a great job holding down ground zero including his own local 662 and local 695. Hoffa comes in for two hours and takes a photo shoot but has not to this day set up any support from the IBT and you wonder where FRED is?
Hoffa should have set up all locals to participate in this rally for labor but nothing from the IBT. Our brother and sisters need someone from the IBT who will organize support from all of the locals across this USA to help hold down this fight in Wisconsin and Ohio and Indiana not just a photo shoot for HOFFA. I realize there is some on this web site that gives HOFFA blind support but LABOR as we know it is under attack and we needs more than just a photo of our president for two hours.

[IBTJC32]

Was he or was he not at an 848 meeting with Santangelo. Jokeare and Shametangelo, a marriage made in heaven right there........

[IBBadDude]

Straight Shooter, on March 01 2011 - 06:31 PM, said:

FRED GEGARE has been at the capital for several days for this issue and still keeps his previous commitments. The locals in Wisconsin have done a great job holding down ground zero including his own local 662 and local 695. Hoffa comes in for two hours and takes a photo shoot but has not to this day set up any support from the IBT and you wonder where FRED is?
Hoffa should have set up all locals to participate in this rally for labor but nothing from the IBT. Our brother and sisters need someone from the IBT who will organize support from all of the locals across this USA to help hold down this fight in Wisconsin and Ohio and Indiana not just a photo shoot for HOFFA. I realize there is some on this web site that gives HOFFA blind support but LABOR as we know it is under attack and we needs more than just a photo of our president for two hours.

Sorry that doesnt fly. His previous commitments were Florida all week, with Brad Sr and Jr, the first week. Then he stayed at Santangelos house the next week while he campaigned all week at Vons, Sysco, Unified, UPS then his fundraiser on Saturday and the 848 membership meeting on Sunday where Hoffa supporters showed up to show their support of Hoffa who was in Wisconsin even though he doesnt live there. Gegare should have been in Wisconsin, his home state where his members are affected. There is no arguement to that.

By the way, Gegare didnt shake one persons hand or even look at any of the Hoffa supporters while Jim snuck in the back door. Hoffa supporters were very respectful yet neither Fred or Jim showed any respect in return.

[Straight Shooter]

You are right on some of your dates but FRED was there several days at the capital as well. I am sure everyone understands you cannot be there all of the time but he has put his share of time in at the capital where Hoffa came for two hours took a picture and left. Oh by the way local 320 and sue mauren lost her delegate race today to ANYONE BUT HOFFA slate, another 13 delegates not for HOFFA.


GEGARE WINS WITH THE MEMBERS IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER

[IBTJC32]

Straight Shooter, on March 04 2011 - 09:07 PM, said:

GEGARE WINS WITH THE MEMBERS IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER

That might be what the drunks in WI and MN tell each other at the bar but the other 48 states are laughing at you.

[Straight Shooter]

Time will tell who is right. My money is on GEGARE who fights for the members and not just talk about it. Taking 45000 members out of central states is reason enough for our members to vote for GEGARE and not for HOFFA. How about HOFFA bankrupting our union even though he got the biggest dues increase in our history. Hoffa and hall are all about themselves and nothing for our members. This election will be won by GEGARE and when the election officer rules on HOAFFA AND HALL AND ROME they might not even be in the race.

[IBTJC32]

That's the only hope the drunk racist woman hater has. How chickenshit. I just threw up in my mouth thinking the Minnesota Strangler might end up on our GEB.