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[sadjjjjer]

Mak DiVilbiss, teamodude etc etc etc keep smooching up to the IBT in hopes that they will dump Philapenis and company. I say best of luck. First off this guy was democratically elected-somehow or another. From what I read here I will never understand that, but I guess also from learning about the history of 631 nothing should surprise anyone. A group of people committed to the failure of their union, helped along by powerful people with their own agenda. And given the history of JC 42 they have gone along with some real doozies so whats the big deal with Philapenis. Same with the IRB who have done their best to help destroy 631. And God help you all if Philapenis is an IRB rat in which case they will probably do nothing to mess him up. In all cases it looks like the old Rome Aloise saying will prevail ie "the members can react at the next election". Is it that the IBT/JC don't want more dirty laundry exposed? Go figure. 631 members need to get their act together and stop crying wolf every 5 years! Grow up and smarten up.

[Mark DeVilbiss]

sadjjjjer, on February 21 2011 - 10:59 PM, said:

Mak DiVilbiss, teamodude etc etc etc keep smooching up to the IBT in hopes that they will dump Philapenis and company. I say best of luck. First off this guy was democratically elected-somehow or another. From what I read here I will never understand that, but I guess also from learning about the history of 631 nothing should surprise anyone. A group of people committed to the failure of their union, helped along by powerful people with their own agenda. And given the history of JC 42 they have gone along with some real doozies so whats the big deal with Philapenis. Same with the IRB who have done their best to help destroy 631. And God help you all if Philapenis is an IRB rat in which case they will probably do nothing to mess him up. In all cases it looks like the old Rome Aloise saying will prevail ie "the members can react at the next election". Is it that the IBT/JC don't want more dirty laundry exposed? Go figure. 631 members need to get their act together and stop crying wolf every 5 years! Grow up and smarten up.

sadjjjjer,

Gee! What a nifty post! You certainly have expressed some interesting opinions here. Let's take a look at a few of them and see what they tell us about you:

1) Your opinion of Local 631's Members: "...A group of people committed to the failure of their union, helped along by powerful people with their own agenda", and, "631 members need to get their act together and stop crying wolf every 5 years! Grow up and smarten up."

2) Your opinion of Joint Council 42: "...And given the history of JC 42 they have gone along with some real doozies..."

3) Your opinion of the IRB: "Same with the IRB who have done their best to help destroy 631. And God help you all if Philapenis is an IRB rat in which case they will probably do nothing to mess him up."

4) Your opinion of the IBT: "Is it that the IBT/JC don't want more dirty laundry exposed? Go figure"

Based on these opinions that you've expressed here, I have formed a few opinions of my own about you:

1) You are a CYNIC: A cynic is a person who believes the worst about people or the outcome of events. Based upon the above post, this word describes you perfectly! When you view a person, a group of people, an organization or a situation, YOU LOOK FOR THE WORST -- and then you adopt it as your definition of the subject about which you are forming an opinion. For instance, when you read posts by myself or teamodude or others that express hope or belief in the IBT, you accuse those people of "smooching up to the IBT". Obviously, you believe the worst about the IBT, IRB, JC 42, Local 631 members and (probably) everything and everyone else in your world.

2) You are a CONSPIRACY THEORIST: The IRB has done their best to destroy Local 631? I mean, REALLY? Sadjjjjer, the moon-landing wasn't "staged", there wasn't a "second gunman" at the Kennedy assassination and the IRB hasn't tried to "destroy" Local 631.


3) You are a "MEDDLER": You stick your nose in other people's business when you're not invited to do so. Our Local is having problems and has had problems in the past. Your negative criticism that is based upon an extremely superficial understanding of our Local is unwanted and unappreciated. And, frankly, nobody really gives a rat's ass about what you think of the members of Local 631. Why don't you do us a favor and keep your opinions to yourself? You remind me of a man that's driving by a house that's on fire and, instead of calling the fire dept. or trying to rescue trapped family members in the house, he chides the owner about his lack of fire safety!

4) You are a poor example of a Teamster: You don't believe in the IBT, it's constitutional process, the JC 42, the IRB or the Members of other Locals. But I bet you DO believe in cashing your paycheck, using your benefits and looking forward to your retirement check -- all of which are yours BECAUSE OF THE VERY UNION THAT YOU DEGRADE BY YOUR COMMENTS! You don't seem to appreciate the ones that have gone before you to provide us these great benefits, nor do you appreciate the ones that are fighting ON YOUR BEHALF to keep those benefits. You don't deserve the benefits afforded you by those that you malign... There's a reason that the word 'BROTHERHOOD' is in the name of our Great Union; your comments don't represent anything like brotherhood so, once again, KEEP THEM TO YOURSELF, OK?

[sadjjjjer]

That is so very funny you whiner, especially given the fact that the last boss at 631 agrees with my "opinion". I may not know much about 631 but it looks like I know more than YOU. Keep up your loving the IBT if it makes you feel good, because that's all you're going to get out of them. Remember, like it or not, you "Teamsters" voted the current guy in, and he even had a track record going back some years there, no? Not just whiners but real dumb shits! So Mark (jeez another Mark) why don't you put your energy into figuring out who was the scabby shithead behind the trashing of 631!

sadjjjjer, on February 21 2011 - 11:35 PM, said:

Don't worry Wayne the IBT is not going to do anything to anybody. They've shot their wad in Vegas some years ago, and to quote Rome Aloise regarding Local 848 "let the members react at the next election" will probably apply to Local 631. One question though do 631 members have a 'deathwish" towards Local 631? Do the other Las Vegas Teamster Locals self destruct themselves too?

wayne king, on February 22 2011 - 5:22 PM, said:

I must agree with you the International nor the Joint Council are going to do anything about the problems at Local 631. An International Rep was sent in to investigate the problems and he did. He brought charges forth in a hearing and the International has done nothing. Hardison brought charges against John Philipenas and they have not been answered. This has been nothing more than a dog and pony show. I have always backed the Joint Council and the International. I have always treated them with the respect that the offices deserve. I have been loyal to a fault to Hoffa and his officers as well as Joint council. I have campaigned vigorously for them in all their elections. But I wont be this time. I am tiered of the shit slapping I have received from them and their actionless conduct regarding the retaliation going on in this Local This Local will continue to self destruct with the worst representation these members have had in many years. The only thing that will happen to this administration is their defeat in the next election if there is a Local left.

[Mark DeVilbiss]

sadjjjjer, on February 23 2011 - 08:53 PM, said:

That is so very funny you whiner, especially given the fact that the last boss at 631 agrees with my "opinion". I may not know much about 631 but it looks like I know more than YOU. Keep up your loving the IBT if it makes you feel good, because that's all you're going to get out of them. Remember, like it or not, you "Teamsters" voted the current guy in, and he even had a track record going back some years there, no? Not just whiners but real dumb shits! So Mark (jeez another Mark) why don't you put your energy into figuring out who was the scabby shithead behind the trashing of 631!

sadjjjjer, on February 21 2011 - 11:35 PM, said:

Don't worry Wayne the IBT is not going to do anything to anybody. They've shot their wad in Vegas some years ago, and to quote Rome Aloise regarding Local 848 "let the members react at the next election" will probably apply to Local 631. One question though do 631 members have a 'deathwish" towards Local 631? Do the other Las Vegas Teamster Locals self destruct themselves too?

wayne king, on February 22 2011 - 5:22 PM, said:

I must agree with you the International nor the Joint Council are going to do anything about the problems at Local 631. An International Rep was sent in to investigate the problems and he did. He brought charges forth in a hearing and the International has done nothing. Hardison brought charges against John Philipenas and they have not been answered. This has been nothing more than a dog and pony show. I have always backed the Joint Council and the International. I have always treated them with the respect that the offices deserve. I have been loyal to a fault to Hoffa and his officers as well as Joint council. I have campaigned vigorously for them in all their elections. But I wont be this time. I am tiered of the shit slapping I have received from them and their actionless conduct regarding the retaliation going on in this Local This Local will continue to self destruct with the worst representation these members have had in many years. The only thing that will happen to this administration is their defeat in the next election if there is a Local left.

Wayne King and I are friends and I campaigned vigorously for him and his slate in the last election. I understand Wayne's discouragement regarding the process that we are all going through in our Local. And, unlike you, he has certainly earned the right to share his opinion. He has participated in the process and fought hard for our membership.

You, on the other hand, haven't. You sit on the sidelines and hurl snide remarks and insults at our membership as we struggle. You're like a guy that sits on the shore of a lake, watching someone drown that, instead of throwing the person that's drowning a life-ring, criticizes them for not learning how to swim! Instead of trying to encourage our membership during a time of crisis, your "best idea" is to kick our membership in the gut when we're down. In my "opinion", that's the lowest sort of behavior that someone who is supposedly a "brother" can participate in. Especially when it's done from a distance, anonymously, by someone that isn't a part of our Local. I think that you owe our membership an apology for that...

The process is taking longer than any of us want it to -- that's for sure. However, due process often does. The IBT constitution dictates a specific time frame for a decision to be handed down by the General President regarding this matter and that period of time hasn't expired (see excerpt below of Article VI, Section 5, pg. 45 of the IBT Constitution).

I choose to interpret the time between the hearing and the decision as being time well spent by the General President as he prudently assures that no room for appeal is left to the officers of our Local who, I believe, will shortly be out on their asses in the street, looking for work...

I'm not a "whiner". I am a member of a Local that has thousands of wonderful, hard working people in it that are facing a crisis that is hurting our families and fellow workers. People like you are a part of the problem, not part of the solution. And, whether you like it or not, we are a part of the IBT and we must work within the confines of the IBT Constitution and our Local's Bylaws in order to resolve the abuses to which our Local's present officers & trustees have subjected us. Have the IBT and the Joint Council always done the right thing by the membership? Of course not. They aren't perfect.

But keep in mind that General President Hoffa is the one that started the trusteeship process here in Las Vegas. He also has had his personal rep. Mike McElmury in Las Vegas on a regular basis since the beginning of November to protect the interests of our membership and to put a halt to the abuses of the incumbents while the thousands of pages of evidence from the hearing are being analyzed by the General President and his staff. He's attended General Membership meetings and every Executive Board meeting since then. He has been available by email and telephone to hear any concerns during this interim period and has promptly addressed any wrong-doings by the incumbents as they await the GP's decision. Their days are numbered and they know it.

You, on the other hand, have done NOTHING for our local except to attempt to degrade it with your insults. You've "whined" about the IBT; you've "whined" about the IRB; you've "whined" about our membership. I think that makes you a WHINER... I doubt that you've done anything positive for the IBT or your Local at all (remember: whining doesn't count).

By the way, don't bother responding to this; I don't think anyone cares what you think about Local 631. Because, in your words, you've already "shot your wad in Vegas".


IBT Constitution - Article VI, Section 5, pg. 45:


In the case of all hearings conducted prior
to or after the establishment of a Trusteeship, the General
President shall designate a panel composed of uninvolved
members of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters,
at least one (1) of whom shall be from the area involved.
The General President may, at his discretion, appoint an
employee of the International Union to such panel. Such
representatives shall make their recommendations to the
General President orally or in writing within sixty (60)
days after the furnishing of the transcript of testimony,
and the decision in the case shall be made by the General
President himself, which decision shall be made within
fifteen (15) days after such recommendations are
received by him, and the decision shall be promptly
transmitted to the Local Union or other subordinate body.

[reallyteam]

Mark you strike me as a stand up Teamster who does all the right things. We need more like you.

Having said that, I must agree with Wayne and sad that you might be getting your hopes up too high anticipating action from the International Union. Sad makes a valid point by referring to Rome Aloise's comment that 848 members should react at the next election, and their President wasn't even elected but appointed under cloudy circumstances while Phillapaenis was democratically elected. Especially since this is an election year and they would not want anything to be perceived as biased. Regarding 631 history didn't Tim Murphy ask that 631 be placed in trusteeship? Ron Carey was the only President who cavalierly trusteed Local Unions.

Not to be cute but you'd have better luck by sidling up to Santangelo and the IRB than massaging the IBT. I advise you to get started on putting a slate together for next year, and sincere best wishes!

[RealTeam]

reallyteam, on February 24 2011 - 12:19 PM, said:

Mark you strike me as a stand up Teamster who does all the right things. We need more like you.

Having said that, I must agree with Wayne and sad that you might be getting your hopes up too high anticipating action from the International Union. Sad makes a valid point by referring to Rome Aloise's comment that 848 members should react at the next election, and their President wasn't even elected but appointed under cloudy circumstances while Phillapaenis was democratically elected. Especially since this is an election year and they would not want anything to be perceived as biased. Regarding 631 history didn't Tim Murphy ask that 631 be placed in trusteeship? Ron Carey was the only President who cavalierly trusteed Local Unions.

Not to be cute but you'd have better luck by sidling up to Santangelo and the IRB than massaging the IBT. I advise you to get started on putting a slate together for next year, and sincere best wishes!

Another Mark? SOO?? Is this hate on Mark day?

It must be.

I'm trying to experience some TDU bliss (and ignorance) and i had a HOT DATE with Sandy Pope,.And Carl Biers, Ken Paff, and all you mfers too now are hating on me!

Hoffa's in Wisconsin leading the teamster battle, Rome is back East. Sandy wants to come to jC 7. Visit Teamsters Local 439 territory, lead by one of the most exiciting younger Teamsters there is in CA today, Brother Sam Rosas.... AND ALL YOU MFER'S wanna do is HATE ON ME.

I HATE YOU HATERS!!!

You are trying to send MY GIRL into the arms of Fred Gegare, and his sex fiend maniac campaign manager, Jimmy The Weasel Santangelo!!

I guess I better start preparing for ANOTHER IRB grilling, like the last time Santangelo flipped me into them for criticizing him!

I do not recall. to the best of my knowledge. No I did not impregnate Sandy. Yet. No I do not know Attila The Hun. No, I did not call Harold Gibbons. GET A LIFE YOU IRB COCKSUCKERS!!!!

Sandy, don't settle for the Slim Jim's! That Wisconsin sausage has mildew on it! I'm the REAL DEAL, Mama, and you are dogging me!!!

I'm telling ya! Sometimes it just doesn't PAY to be a Teamster!!!!!!

Okay Sandy, you win! We can name our first child "John Long"!!!!! I can't fight you anymore, my precocious TDU pumpkin!!!!

[Mark DeVilbiss]

dupe... see below...

[Mark DeVilbiss]

reallyteam, on February 24 2011 - 12:19 PM, said:

Mark you strike me as a stand up Teamster who does all the right things. We need more like you.

Having said that, I must agree with Wayne and sad that you might be getting your hopes up too high anticipating action from the International Union. Sad makes a valid point by referring to Rome Aloise's comment that 848 members should react at the next election, and their President wasn't even elected but appointed under cloudy circumstances while Phillapaenis was democratically elected. Especially since this is an election year and they would not want anything to be perceived as biased. Regarding 631 history didn't Tim Murphy ask that 631 be placed in trusteeship? Ron Carey was the only President who cavalierly trusteed Local Unions.

Not to be cute but you'd have better luck by sidling up to Santangelo and the IRB than massaging the IBT. I advise you to get started on putting a slate together for next year, and sincere best wishes!

Thanks for the kind words, reallyteam, but I don't always do the right thing; I try to, but I oftentimes fall short.

I believe that the IBT will do the right thing regarding Local 631, though.

I really am not trying to "massage" or "sidle up" to any particular person or group. I post here to express my opinion, encourage the other members of my Local and defend our membership from attacks from outsiders (because it discourages our membership).

I am also attempting to exercise my rights as a member and appeal to the individuals that fill the offices established by our Constitution and Bylaws. They, too, are accountable to the Constitution and have been empowered by it to act on our behalf. And if they do not enforce it, I will go to the IRB and also pursue any and all other legal means that are available to obtain justice. And, believe me, we aren't sitting around in Vegas like victims waiting for someone to rescue us. We have a number of "irons in the fire" locally to deal with the problems of Local 631!

You can call me naive or idealistic, but I DO believe in the IBT and GP Hoffa; flaws and all. And, although they aren't perfect, I believe that, based upon their actions thus far, they will kick our officers and trustees out.

Am I "too hopeful"? Time will tell...

But I don't regret placing my trust in guys like GP Hoffa, Mike McElmury, Tom Schatz, Ed Kaiser, Bob Blanchet, Bob Moore, Greg Nowak and the other individuals sent by Brother Hoffa to conduct the Trusteeship hearing. They conducted themselves admirably and made me feel PROUD to be a Teamster. I believe that they clearly saw that our officers and trustees need to be removed.

After Phillipenas & Co. are given the due process that even they are guaranteed by our Constitution, I believe that they will be thrown out on their worthless asses into the street where they belong.

I HOPE it happens soon and I am present to witness it...

I HOPE it happens soon...

I HOPE it happens...

I HOPE...




"Hope deferred makes the heart sick,
But when what you desire is attained, it is like a tree of life."
Proverbs 13:12

[Mark DeVilbiss]

RealTeam, on February 24 2011 - 12:35 PM, said:

Another Mark? SOO?? Is this hate on Mark day?

It must be.

I'm trying to experience some TDU bliss (and ignorance) and i had a HOT DATE with Sandy Pope,.And Carl Biers, Ken Paff, and all you mfers too now are hating on me!

Hoffa's in Wisconsin leading the teamster battle, Rome is back East. Sandy wants to come to jC 7. Visit Teamsters Local 439 territory, lead by one of the most exiciting younger Teamsters there is in CA today, Brother Sam Rosas.... AND ALL YOU MFER'S wanna do is HATE ON ME.

I HATE YOU HATERS!!!

You are trying to send MY GIRL into the arms of Fred Gegare, and his sex fiend maniac campaign manager, Jimmy The Weasel Santangelo!!

I guess I better start preparing for ANOTHER IRB grilling, like the last time Santangelo flipped me into them for criticizing him!

I do not recall. to the best of my knowledge. No I did not impregnate Sandy. Yet. No I do not know Attila The Hun. No, I did not call Harold Gibbons. GET A LIFE YOU IRB COCKSUCKERS!!!!

Sandy, don't settle for the Slim Jim's! That Wisconsin sausage has mildew on it! I'm the REAL DEAL, Mama, and you are dogging me!!!

I'm telling ya! Sometimes it just doesn't PAY to be a Teamster!!!!!!

Okay Sandy, you win! We can name our first child "John Long"!!!!! I can't fight you anymore, my precocious TDU pumpkin!!!!

AIN'T IT GRRRRREAT BEING MARK?

[RealTeam]

Mark DeVilbiss, on February 24 2011 - 05:39 PM, said:

AIN'T IT GRRRRREAT BEING MARK?

HELL YEAH!! SHE WANTS ME!!! BAD!!!!!!!!

Ask her about her declining Membership. Brave the (understandibly, considering how she's screwed it up!) topic of her Local 805 Pension Fund (Local 804 next to Local 805) Ronald R. Carey, Bob Muhlenkampf, Alexandra "Sandy" Pope, Tom Leedham.... And the beat goes on.

More TDU jagoffs playing musical TDU. Taking money from EMPLOYERS grants via TRF. Dirty Sandy.

I know what a dirty girl you can be Sandy. I'm not a hater, I'm a participator and a congratulator!

Sandy, enough is enough. You know how bad you want me. Look what you did to the 805 pension during our last spat.

C'mon Sandy. Be bigger than that. It's not about us. it's about 1.4 million Teamster Brothers and Sisters. When I whispered "Teamster Justice" in your sweet ear, my TDU High Preistess dear, I think you misheard it as "Teamsters Just Us". Too much time around sorry ass oozing TDU lesions like Ken Paff can momentarily befuddle even the best of Teamsters!

I forgive you. And I'll forget your TDU ignorance.

Now will you finally admit what everyone else knows: HOW BADLY YOU WANT ME!!!!!


Sorry Sandy. I still have some semblance of morals, unlike you pathetic, desperate TDU whores.

[save631]

sadjjjjer, on February 21 2011 - 10:59 PM, said:

Mak DiVilbiss, teamodude etc etc etc keep smooching up to the IBT in hopes that they will dump Philapenis and company. I say best of luck. First off this guy was democratically elected-somehow or another. From what I read here I will never understand that, but I guess also from learning about the history of 631 nothing should surprise anyone. A group of people committed to the failure of their union, helped along by powerful people with their own agenda. And given the history of JC 42 they have gone along with some real doozies so whats the big deal with Philapenis. Same with the IRB who have done their best to help destroy 631. And God help you all if Philapenis is an IRB rat in which case they will probably do nothing to mess him up. In all cases it looks like the old Rome Aloise saying will prevail ie "the members can react at the next election". Is it that the IBT/JC don't want more dirty laundry exposed? Go figure. 631 members need to get their act together and stop crying wolf every 5 years! Grow up and smarten up.

I dont think anyone on here is "smooching up" to the ibt. Mark and the other brothers and sisters of our local have faith in the IBT Constitution and that Hoffa and company will stick by it and remove Penis and Company because they have violated every article, paragraph, sentence, and word of it. Sadjjjer you are 100% correct. Penis was democratically elected. But that does not give him the right to destroy members lives and families. The IBT should be protecting us. They have not. The IBT is going to wait the entire 75 days before giving local 631 a decision. The decision will be that Penis and Company are bad bad boys! But not all the charges can be proven because of some bullshit excuse. Local 631 will be given an oversite person and thats it! As far as you insulting our membership. GO FUCK YOURSELF!

[16stew57]

save631, on February 26 2011 - 09:29 AM, said:

I dont think anyone on here is "smooching up" to the ibt. Mark and the other brothers and sisters of our local have faith in the IBT Constitution and that Hoffa and company will stick by it and remove Penis and Company because they have violated every article, paragraph, sentence, and word of it. Sadjjjer you are 100% correct. Penis was democratically elected. But that does not give him the right to destroy members lives and families. The IBT should be protecting us. They have not. The IBT is going to wait the entire 75 days before giving local 631 a decision. The decision will be that Penis and Company are bad bad boys! But not all the charges can be proven because of some bullshit excuse. Local 631 will be given an oversite person and thats it! As far as you insulting our membership. GO FUCK YOURSELF!

Hey Sadjjjjer,looks like save631 told you the way it is.So why don't you keep your opinions to yourself and don't worry about what's going on here in Vegas,so take save631 advice and,

GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!