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[Farley]

http://www.truth-out...-passivism64115

[fr8man]

Farley I believe the two main reasons for all the labor unrest in France is the government DARED to raise the retirement age to 60, and asking for a 5 day work week instead of 5. Imagine that?? How cruel of them, right?? Right now my retirement age is 62 and right now I'm 52 with 29 yrs....so I'll have almost 40 yrs in to get my pension AND thats IF they don't raise the age again. Why aren't we all up in arms and in the streets. Well the Union tells us that we have to swallow pill after pill and we are private sector compared to the protesters in France which are Public sector

[egghead]

Man talk about dishonest--there are no more Social democratic majorities in those countries listed--it took conservative governments to bring down unemployment--
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While in the US and Obama copying the Social Democrat economic model --Since Obama became President, the U.S. unemployment rate has increased faster than 25 of 30 other major industrialized countries, as reported by the Economist. So much for Social democracies

The only country in Europe to escape persistent long-term unemployment is the United Kingdom--Care to guess why--Thatcher changed the UK

Look at the historical average--

This is the historical perspective--and it is pretty common knowledge that Social Democratic policies have to live with higher unemployment

http://www-personal....llesSt.Paul.pdf

once again Farley--you are linking articles which totally unravel your economic theories on Social democracic economies

[krash]

Farley, like most DEMwits will always refuse to believe the ship is sinking even though it is taking on more water than they can pump. Then after it is under water they wil blame the sinking on something else rather than that big hole in the side that thet refused to acknowledge or plug.

[Farley]

fr8man, if you don't think you deserve a dignified retirement at an age when you can enjoy it, then all I can say it is too bad the Frenchmen have bigger balls than you do, and I guarantee the goBPers will block any attempt at getting early dignified retirement in America. However, fr8man if we could actually put people before profits and people retired at 60 it would solve several problems, like open up jobs for the unemployed.
and eggy if anyone is dishonest to the core it is eggy, you like to mouth off and ignore that the western social democracies are doing BETTER than our contorted oligarchy of corporate socialism, you mis name "capitalism" and your refusal to acknowledge that even "right wing" in Europe is far to the left of America's democratic party, a convenient lie of ommission for you, eh? eggy?

[egghead]

Farley, on October 14 2010 - 08:00 AM, said:

fr8man, if you don't think you deserve a dignified retirement at an age when you can enjoy it, then all I can say it is too bad the Frenchmen have bigger balls than you do, and I guarantee the goBPers will block any attempt at getting early dignified retirement in America. However, fr8man if we could actually put people before profits and people retired at 60 it would solve several problems, like open up jobs for the unemployed.
and eggy if anyone is dishonest to the core it is eggy, you like to mouth off and ignore that the western social democracies are doing BETTER than our contorted oligarchy of corporate socialism, you mis name "capitalism" and your refusal to acknowledge that even "right wing" in Europe is far to the left of America's democratic party, a convenient lie of ommission for you, eh? eggy?

Farley--stick to the US at least the library gives you some information you can follow

But the truth is the left and right in Europe have many more different shades than the US and the right and left are much more extreme--Thats because every country in Europe has significantly more parties than just our 2 party system--

but the bottom line for you Farley--is the economy has moved Fiscally conservative in every country on your link--and that is driving Unemployment down-The Social Democrats are the party that Obama has tried to follow--They were the party in charge after the Democratic Socialist were routed in the 70's and 80's-the Democratic Socialists are to the left of the Social Democrats--my god Farley its like trying to teach a child political science--

[fr8man]

Ho-Humm...yet again Farley you miss the point. Point being that the socialist governments of Europe, for decades have stroked the people giving them whatever they wanted, and now the EU is on the edge of disaster,i.e. France, Greece, Italy, etc. The only European government and country doing well is Germany.The socialist agendas in these countries are finally catching up.They can't afford it anymore
My pension was 30 and out at any age, then it was 57 with 30 yrs, now its 62 with 30 years. I'm chasing my retirement. The frenchmen that are protesting and rioting are public sector jobs. Sooooooooo someone has to pay for all those 4 day weeks and 3-5 weeks vacation first year of employment.Hey maybe thats nice, but I'm not even comfortable getting money from the Feds to sure up our pension plans. Someone is gonna have to pay for that too. I blame alot on the government and its different administrations, but hard to blame our pensions going south on them. Any economist will tell you that most of it is from poor management and bad investments.But I digress...

[Dedicated251]

fr8man, on October 14 2010 - 03:10 PM, said:

Ho-Humm...yet again Farley you miss the point. Point being that the socialist governments of Europe, for decades have stroked the people giving them whatever they wanted, and now the EU is on the edge of disaster,i.e. France, Greece, Italy, etc. The only European government and country doing well is Germany.The socialist agendas in these countries are finally catching up.They can't afford it anymore
My pension was 30 and out at any age, then it was 57 with 30 yrs, now its 62 with 30 years. I'm chasing my retirement. The frenchmen that are protesting and rioting are public sector jobs. Sooooooooo someone has to pay for all those 4 day weeks and 3-5 weeks vacation first year of employment.Hey maybe thats nice, but I'm not even comfortable getting money from the Feds to sure up our pension plans. Someone is gonna have to pay for that too. I blame alot on the government and its different administrations, but hard to blame our pensions going south on them. Any economist will tell you that most of it is from poor management and bad investments.But I digress...

Since when is the retirement age 62 at 30 years? New England Pension is still 30 years at age 57, unless your company is in default status, then retirement age is 64. The lump sum was eliminated.

[krash]

Each area is different 251. And if your in CS, you hope and pray there is a retirement when you reach the age limit. It ain't looking good brother.

[krash]

Each area is different 251. And if your in CS, you hope and pray there is a retirement when you reach the age limit. It ain't looking good brother.

[HAZ]

Krashed, are you hoping, and praying for Socialism, the U.S.'s SS? If not, thanks for your contribution anyway! Every pay day, I'm enjoying your money!

ps; One year away from medicare, thanks again, and give generously!

[krash]

HAZ,
UPS got out of CS last contract and whatb we are hoping and praying for is that CS Is capable of turning things around so our brothers and sisters can retire one day. Your inability to follow along with a simple conversation worries me. How do you ever find your way home?

[HAZ]

name='krash' date='October 16 2010 - 12:27 PM' timestamp='1287192433' post='284545']
HAZ,
UPS got out of CS last contract and whatb we are hoping and praying for is that CS Is capable of turning things around so our brothers and sisters can retire one day. Your inability to follow along with a simple conversation worries me. How do you ever find your way home?


Sorry, assumed you were anti Socialism (SS-medicare), just wanted to assure you, I'm enjoying your money every month, and, keep on truckin! (or washing fork lifts)

[Farley]

fr8man? do you honestly that European governments "stroked" the citizens and coddled them? fr8man those provissions you say were "stroked" on the people were actually hard won in the street by working people with BALLS, something you and reichwing working folks obviously lack...or you too would go to the streets to demand fairness for working people instead of hiding behind a faux tea bagger movement and yelling so the very wealthy will not get taxed or have to comply with safety, labor, and environmental regulations. I would hate to be around you fr8man if you ever realize that you are being used (abused) by the very people you blindly support

[fr8man]

Dedicated251, on October 14 2010 - 04:46 PM, said:

Since when is the retirement age 62 at 30 years? New England Pension is still 30 years at age 57, unless your company is in default status, then retirement age is 64. The lump sum was eliminated.

251, I believe its still 57 for the guys who already had 25 before they changed it last. Sure I could still retire at 57 but there would be a reduction and wouldn't get my full pension

[krash]

Glad to help you out Haz.

[HAZ]

name='krash' date='October 18 2010 - 02:18 PM' timestamp='1287371931' post='284654']
Glad to help you out Haz.


I'll fight with all my might, to make sure you have SS, someday!

[krash]

Thanks Haz, I really believe you are sincere. My Dad is also a teamster retiree and I'm more concerned about his union pension at this point that he worked a very long time for and has a portion of it held back so my mom can draw half of it after he is called home to our lord and saviour Jesus Christ. With Ups out of it and the many other union LTLers no longer around, CS isn't looking good. I hope I'm wrong for his, yours and all my other Teamsters brothers/sister's who worked many years to draw.

[HAZ]

Thanks Krash, the $$$$$ future, doesn't look that great. But trusting in God, we'll never want! ps; listened to Money Matters, Larry Burkett, for years, good advice for financial planning, for sure! Also, everything we have belongs to God,our jobs?, to be good, stewards.