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[631teamo]

wayne king, on September 29 2010 - 04:14 AM, said:

What do you mean just like the last time? Donny Weimer and family were not involved in the last contract negotiations and they did not endorse the contract. They actually campaigned against the last contract. If they had enforced the last contract you would not be loosing your health care benefits and the stage hands and carpenters would not be doing your work. The last contract had the largest wage and benefit increases the convention industry has ever had in its history. You will wish that the next contract you get is as bad as the last.

I was talking about the negotiation workshops at Don's house.

[tiredinvegas]

631teamo, on September 29 2010 - 05:50 PM, said:

I was talking about the negotiation workshops at Don's house.

Now the Penis camp has lost the construction industry as we know it. They have not had a negotiation meeting since August and the contract expired at the end of June. The companies offered a wage freeze and Penis took everything off the table so they went for a Rock Sand and Gravel agreement. Whats new they have been trying to go to a Sand and Gravel agreement for 20 years. Rick Knight and Carl Hosmer put language in the contract 2 sessions ago allowing sand and gravel companies to place material in the job, that along with the ignorance of the current administration has opened the door to the collapse of the industry. Of course Penis is pointing the blame at everybody else but himself for his most recent failure. The International has finally sent someone in to help with the negotiations but it may be to late to save the industry.

[racinovals]

tiredinvegas, on September 30 2010 - 04:12 AM, said:

Now the Penis camp has lost the construction industry as we know it. They have not had a negotiation meeting since August and the contract expired at the end of June. The companies offered a wage freeze and Penis took everything off the table so they went for a Rock Sand and Gravel agreement. Whats new they have been trying to go to a Sand and Gravel agreement for 20 years. Rick Knight and Carl Hosmer put language in the contract 2 sessions ago allowing sand and gravel companies to place material in the job, that along with the ignorance of the current administration has opened the door to the collapse of the industry. Of course Penis is pointing the blame at everybody else but himself for his most recent failure. The International has finally sent someone in to help with the negotiations but it may be to late to save the industry.

There is so much going on right now its unreal we have a company that may be locking out 62 of our members tomarrow morning. I am just affraid of the out come but at the sametime very hopeful because we have attorney Mr. McKracken out of san fran. and Art Cantu and Ed Jacobson here now so hopefully we can salvage our trade. The good side of this if there is any is that most companies associated with the NCA are still willing to sit at the table I have heard it could be as early as next week, if not a week after, so thats good. What these guys are trying to do is wrong and John P. should have never let any truck on February 2, 2009 become sand and gravel that is when this fight should have started, at best the only thing that should have been considered for sand and gravel would have been the rock trucks and water trucks that work at the actual mine not semi's. I just hope that are brother and sisters that are being hit with this tomarrow remember don't just lay down and take it fight, we thought no one was listening to all our letters and complaints but they were their here now give them sometime to dig in I know its going to be real tough to get through this but there is a big badass light at the end of the tunnel OUR UNION THEIR HERE AND JUST HAVE A LITTLE FAITH IN OUR IBT JC 42 lord knows at this point its all we got!

[wayne king]

racinovals, on September 30 2010 - 03:07 PM, said:

There is so much going on right now its unreal we have a company that may be locking out 62 of our members tomarrow morning. I am just affraid of the out come but at the sametime very hopeful because we have attorney Mr. McKracken out of san fran. and Art Cantu and Ed Jacobson here now so hopefully we can salvage our trade. The good side of this if there is any is that most companies associated with the NCA are still willing to sit at the table I have heard it could be as early as next week, if not a week after, so thats good. What these guys are trying to do is wrong and John P. should have never let any truck on February 2, 2009 become sand and gravel that is when this fight should have started, at best the only thing that should have been considered for sand and gravel would have been the rock trucks and water trucks that work at the actual mine not semi's. I just hope that are brother and sisters that are being hit with this tomarrow remember don't just lay down and take it fight, we thought no one was listening to all our letters and complaints but they were their here now give them sometime to dig in I know its going to be real tough to get through this but there is a big badass light at the end of the tunnel OUR UNION THEIR HERE AND JUST HAVE A LITTLE FAITH IN OUR IBT JC 42 lord knows at this point its all we got!

With all of this going on John Philipenas and his boys like Wayne Dey and Johnnie Gonzalez have the time to run around trashing the previous administration with lies and innuendos. For Wayne Dey you are out telling the Members that the IBT is in Las Vegas investigating me. You my brother are a liar they are investigating the current administration. I can only hope they find out enough about you people to put an end to your bullshit. For you Johnnie you wouldn't know the truth if it met you face to face and you sure as hell don't have the guts to back that mouth of yours up do you. We have both seen that firs hand haven't we. This Local was financially better off when you people took it over than it has ever been in. The contracts were all negotiated and nothing was lost only the largest gains in the history of the Local Union ever. The health and welfare was financially sound with no loss of benefits. Now the Local is failing, the contracts are going to shit, you have ruined the health plan, we have lost our jurisdiction of work at the Nevada Test Site and all of this during your administration. You people are a joke and proof of what happens when the TDU takes over a Local Union. Help from the IBT can not come to soon for this Membership. I always said trusteeship is a terrible thing but I have changed my mind on that one you and the TDU have shown me that anything is better than this. Nobody is buying your shit anymore the majority of the Membership has figured all of you out. PACK YOUR BAGS if the IBT doesn't take you out the Membership will.

[racinovals]

wayne king, on October 01 2010 - 05:06 PM, said:

With all of this going on John Philipenas and his boys like Wayne Dey and Johnnie Gonzalez have the time to run around trashing the previous administration with lies and innuendos. For Wayne Dey you are out telling the Members that the IBT is in Las Vegas investigating me. You my brother are a liar they are investigating the current administration. I can only hope they find out enough about you people to put an end to your bullshit. For you Johnnie you wouldn't know the truth if it met you face to face and you sure as hell don't have the guts to back that mouth of yours up do you. We have both seen that firs hand haven't we. This Local was financially better off when you people took it over than it has ever been in. The contracts were all negotiated and nothing was lost only the largest gains in the history of the Local Union ever. The health and welfare was financially sound with no loss of benefits. Now the Local is failing, the contracts are going to shit, you have ruined the health plan, we have lost our jurisdiction of work at the Nevada Test Site and all of this during your administration. You people are a joke and proof of what happens when the TDU takes over a Local Union. Help from the IBT can not come to soon for this Membership. I always said trusteeship is a terrible thing but I have changed my mind on that one you and the TDU have shown me that anything is better than this. Nobody is buying your shit anymore the majority of the Membership has figured all of you out. PACK YOUR BAGS if the IBT doesn't take you out the Membership will.

You are so right brother king! Today our construction brother and sisters had to endure yet another travisty created by this current bunch of very ungreatfulls. This morning at 6:30 AM supposedly with this admin. and the gentlemen that the IBT and JC42 sent us watch as our brothers and sisters received a paper that stated this ( Aggregate Industries-SWR, INC. Proposal for Existing Drviers Interested in Transferring to Active Agreement

For any Drver currently employed by Aggregate Industries who has a desire to continue working under the 2008-2012 materials collective bargaining agreement with Local 631, Aggregate Industries-SWR,Inc. offers the following phase-in agreement.

As of CommencementDate: Drivers will be paid under the active collective bargaining agreement as follows:
$27.83 hourly rate and full benefit package as outlined in agreement.

January 1, 2011 pay would be adjusted to:
$24.50 hourly rate and full benefit package as outlined in agreement.

April 1, 2011 pay would be adjusted to:
Pay scale in place under 2008-2012 agreement as of April 1, 2011

Brother and Sisters the problem here is this should have never happend. When the current admin. took over apperently Aggregate Industries fed them a line of crap which they bought hook line and sinker, Aggregate has been trying to go S&G since they arrived, during negoitations on the last S&G contract there where talks with Aggergate about possibly making the rock trucks and the water trucks at the SLOAN PIT ONLY S&G. Did you Catch the word TALKS. Apperently our current admin. was approched by Aggergate and we can only guess the conversation from here, but on Feb. 2, 2009 John Phillipenaus signed many of our members over to S&G. My guess is they said that the last admin. and Aggergate had this going on and you need to finish it. This admin. was so HELL BENT on seeing our last admin. go down they did not bother to check if this was FACTUAL OR FICTIONAL guess what people it was fictional, there is no signed agreement, there is no memorandum, the only thing there is, is my brother and sister TEAMSTERS worried about their LIVES, JOBS, VERY BEING because of the current administration at Local 631 and Aggergate Industries, trying at the same time to get what they wanted, IT DIDN'T WORK NOR WILL IT EVER! We all have to make sure that the IBT and/or Mike McElmury here exactly how you feel, write it down and mail it to Local 14 in Las Vegas or e-mail them tell them what happened at that craft meeting when John Phillipenaus told all of us there was nothing he could do it was already done, when he sent us into this hell hole nightmare! We are not S&G We are Construction show the documentation that says diffrent or give your resignation John Phillipenaus. Mike McElmury"s e-mail is mikemac1023@yahoo.com his phone number is 202-437-1156 Hoffa's address is James P. Hoffa General President 25 Louisiana Av. NW Washingto, Dc 20001 We all have to do our part letters do work, so do e-mails and phone calls if you need more ways to get intouch then google should be your friend.

[teamodude]

racinovals, on October 01 2010 - 08:38 PM, said:

You are so right brother king! Today our construction brother and sisters had to endure yet another travisty created by this current bunch of very ungreatfulls. This morning at 6:30 AM supposedly with this admin. and the gentlemen that the IBT and JC42 sent us watch as our brothers and sisters received a paper that stated this ( Aggregate Industries-SWR, INC. Proposal for Existing Drviers Interested in Transferring to Active Agreement

For any Drver currently employed by Aggregate Industries who has a desire to continue working under the 2008-2012 materials collective bargaining agreement with Local 631, Aggregate Industries-SWR,Inc. offers the following phase-in agreement.

As of CommencementDate: Drivers will be paid under the active collective bargaining agreement as follows:
$27.83 hourly rate and full benefit package as outlined in agreement.

January 1, 2011 pay would be adjusted to:
$24.50 hourly rate and full benefit package as outlined in agreement.

April 1, 2011 pay would be adjusted to:
Pay scale in place under 2008-2012 agreement as of April 1, 2011

Brother and Sisters the problem here is this should have never happened. When the current admin. took over apperently Aggregate Industries fed them a line of crap which they bought hook line and sinker, Aggregate has been trying to go S&G since they arrived, during negotiations on the last S&G contract there where talks with Aggregate about possibly making the rock trucks and the water trucks at the SLOAN PIT ONLY S&G. Did you Catch the word TALKS. Apparently our current admin. was approached by Aggregate and we can only guess the conversation from here, but on Feb. 2, 2009 John Phillipenaus signed many of our members over to S&G. My guess is they said that the last admin. and Aggregate had this going on and you need to finish it. This admin. was so HELL BENT on seeing our last admin. go down they did not bother to check if this was FACTUAL OR FICTIONAL guess what people it was fictional, there is no signed agreement, there is no memorandum, the only thing there is, is my brother and sister TEAMSTERS worried about their LIVES, JOBS, VERY BEING because of the current administration at Local 631 and Aggregate Industries, trying at the same time to get what they wanted, IT DIDN'T WORK NOR WILL IT EVER! We all have to make sure that the IBT and/or Mike McElmury here exactly how you feel, write it down and mail it to Local 14 in Las Vegas or e-mail them tell them what happened at that craft meeting when John Phillipenaus told all of us there was nothing he could do it was already done, when he sent us into this hell hole nightmare! We are not S&G We are Construction show the documentation that says different or give your resignation John Phillipenaus. Mike McElmury"s e-mail is mikemac1023@yahoo.com his phone number is 202-437-1156 Hoffa's address is James P. Hoffa General President 25 Louisiana Av. NW Washington, Dc 20001 We all have to do our part letters do work, so do e-mails and phone calls if you need more ways to get in touch then google should be your friend.

This is just more of the same shit different day. Penis and Crackhead have been so busy chasing the old administration they screwed the pooch on the construction contract. This bunch of idiots couldn't negotiate a contract if their life depended on it. Everything they have done since they got in office has been a failure. When is this crap going to end. All you assholes need to resign now before we don't have a Local at all. The brother is right this shit all happened during your term.

[billkn]

teamodude, on October 01 2010 - 09:55 PM, said:

This is just more of the same shit different day. Penis and Crackhead have been so busy chasing the old administration they screwed the pooch on the construction contract. This bunch of idiots couldn't negotiate a contract if their life depended on it. Everything they have done since they got in office has been a failure. When is this crap going to end. All you assholes need to resign now before we don't have a Local at all. The brother is right this shit all happened during your term.

At least 631 members voted these losers in. The poor schmucks at 848 got their #1 dum-dum jammed down their throats, supposedly at an improperly conducted eboard meeting by the perverted disgraced #1 ex-official(in attendance?), and then re-affirmed at the second "forced" eboard meeting. A Norcal VP is quoted as saying "let them react at the next election". Great! If 2009 was that bad under the pervert, I'm dreading (for the members sake) the outcome for 2010, especially if they didn't have the juice to get the IBT to pay for the huge roster of "crack" 848 organizors.

Well, at least the Local's employees and officers have been well paid and not required or expected to produce much.

Maybe 631 and 848 should merge...we can call them the the F-Troop Local. We'll have the appointed (wink wink) 848 principal officer, showing off his only skill-set, driving the whole crew around to their yards in a short bus!

[racinovals]

teamodude, on October 01 2010 - 09:55 PM, said:

This is just more of the same shit different day. Penis and Crackhead have been so busy chasing the old administration they screwed the pooch on the construction contract. This bunch of idiots couldn't negotiate a contract if their life depended on it. Everything they have done since they got in office has been a failure. When is this crap going to end. All you assholes need to resign now before we don't have a Local at all. The brother is right this shit all happened during your term.

Just thought I would let you know I am a sister the name is Shirayne

[teamodude]

billkn, on October 01 2010 - 10:22 PM, said:

At least 631 members voted these losers in. The poor schmucks at 848 got their #1 dum-dum jammed down their throats, supposedly at an improperly conducted eboard meeting by the perverted disgraced #1 ex-official(in attendance?), and then re-affirmed at the second "forced" eboard meeting. A Norcal VP is quoted as saying "let them react at the next election". Great! If 2009 was that bad under the pervert, I'm dreading (for the members sake) the outcome for 2010, especially if they didn't have the juice to get the IBT to pay for the huge roster of "crack" 848 organizors.

Well, at least the Local's employees and officers have been well paid and not required or expected to produce much.

Maybe 631 and 848 should merge...we can call them the the F-Troop Local. We'll have the appointed (wink wink) 848 principal officer, showing off his only skill-set, driving the whole crew around to their yards in a short bus!

Good or bad your leader was put in 848 according to the International Constitution and your Local Union bylaws. He was not shoved down your throat he was legally installed. The VP was right take him out in the election. Although you did not vote him in as S/T your Local did vote for him as an officer. You really have to watch who is on the ticket not just who is at the top.

[wayne king]

racinovals, on October 01 2010 - 08:38 PM, said:

You are so right brother king! Today our construction brother and sisters had to endure yet another travisty created by this current bunch of very ungreatfulls. This morning at 6:30 AM supposedly with this admin. and the gentlemen that the IBT and JC42 sent us watch as our brothers and sisters received a paper that stated this ( Aggregate Industries-SWR, INC. Proposal for Existing Drviers Interested in Transferring to Active Agreement

For any Drver currently employed by Aggregate Industries who has a desire to continue working under the 2008-2012 materials collective bargaining agreement with Local 631, Aggregate Industries-SWR,Inc. offers the following phase-in agreement.

As of CommencementDate: Drivers will be paid under the active collective bargaining agreement as follows:
$27.83 hourly rate and full benefit package as outlined in agreement.

January 1, 2011 pay would be adjusted to:
$24.50 hourly rate and full benefit package as outlined in agreement.

April 1, 2011 pay would be adjusted to:
Pay scale in place under 2008-2012 agreement as of April 1, 2011

Brother and Sisters the problem here is this should have never happened. When the current admin. took over apparently Aggregate Industries fed them a line of crap which they bought hook line and sinker, Aggregate has been trying to go S&G since they arrived, during negotiations on the last S&G contract there where talks with Aggregate about possibly making the rock trucks and the water trucks at the SLOAN PIT ONLY S&G. Did you Catch the word TALKS. Apparently our current admin. was approached by Aggregate and we can only guess the conversation from here, but on Feb. 2, 2009 John Phillipenaus signed many of our members over to S&G. My guess is they said that the last admin. and Aggregate had this going on and you need to finish it. This admin. was so HELL BENT on seeing our last admin. go down they did not bother to check if this was FACTUAL OR FICTIONAL guess what people it was fictional, there is no signed agreement, there is no memorandum, the only thing there is, is my brother and sister TEAMSTERS worried about their LIVES, JOBS, VERY BEING because of the current administration at Local 631 and Aggregate Industries, trying at the same time to get what they wanted, IT DIDN'T WORK NOR WILL IT EVER! We all have to make sure that the IBT and/or Mike McElmury here exactly how you feel, write it down and mail it to Local 14 in Las Vegas or e-mail them tell them what happened at that craft meeting when John Phillipenaus told all of us there was nothing he could do it was already done, when he sent us into this hell hole nightmare! We are not S&G We are Construction show the documentation that says different or give your resignation John Phillipenaus. Mike McElmury"s e-mail is mikemac1023@yahoo.com his phone number is 202-437-1156 Hoffa's address is James P. Hoffa General President 25 Louisiana Av. NW Washington, Dc 20001 We all have to do our part letters do work, so do e-mails and phone calls if you need more ways to get in touch then google should be your friend.

For all the Brothers and Sisters information John Milner and Carl Hosmer are spreading rumors that I some how negotiated language in the last Construction contract to allow Aggregate Industries to switch their drivers to sand and gravel. First there is no sand and gravel agreement in the Las Vegas Valley or in Southern Nevada. There however is a Ready Mix agreement in the jurisdiction of Local 631.Secondly the only language that would allow any construction company under the jurisdiction of Local 631 to use ready mix trucks to deliver material to a construction job was negotiated into the construction contract by none other than Rickey Knight and Carl Hosmer with John Milner in the background. I told them all when they negotiated this language that it would bite them in the ass some day and today is the day. John Milner and Carl Hosmer are trying to put a slate together and are trying their best to take the spotlight off themselves. Rumor is Rickey Knight wants to get back into the mix as well. Third if I had negotiated language that would allow the construction companies to go to sand and gravel or ready mix they would have done it three years ago not now. Why would they hae been paying $9.00 per hour more for drivers all this time? It is important for all of the construction Teamsters to know that the problem started with Knight and Hosmer and was concluded with John Philipenas, Wayne Dey and Kevin Hardison at the helm. If any Member has questions and wants the truth they can contact me by e-mail at king7113@aol.con.

[stonebone]

With the latsest arbitration loss in the Rob Elloit termination, JP remains winless in "arbite" cases @ UPS (despite his claim otherwise). This one was exceptionally embarrassing, even for the Embarrassment slate. 24 yr UPS driver & longtime Penas buddy Rob Elliot was term'd Oct. 14, '09 for "proven dishonesty" ( i.e., inflating miles, padding stops). The case was heard @ panel the following month in which the committee reinstated Elliot but imposed additional time off till Jan. 4, '10. After an 82 day suspension, back to work RE goes w/ incompetent business agent Kenny Pietrafeso standing by his side. RE starts off by demanding a mgt. OJS (ride along) on the truck. Through the course of the day RE refuses to work as directed & makes statements to the supervisor their conversations were being recorded. Long story short, mgt. pulls him off road, brings him back to the center office, grabs a steward and they conduct a termination meeting and RE gets walked out the gate that afternoon. Charge? "proven dishonesty" once again. Back to panel Pietrafeso & Elliot go to get a "deadlock" (to arbitration) decision from the committee. June 30, '10 Elliot sits before an arbitrator explaining his lies with more lies ("I don't have a recording, just a recording device..."). Mr. Arbitrator saw thru this and ended the fiasco by flushing RE last week. Elliot brought all this squarely on himself. Yes, it is sad to see someone throw away years of service by playing foolish games with a good livelihood. But this is the effect JP's "Empowerment" has on those who trust him. And the local felt it absolutely necessary to throw away thousands of $$$ for such a meritless case merely for the sake of a supporter? For Kenny & John I have a question on the Elliot decision: "Is it live, or is it Memorex?"

[wayne king]

stonebone, on October 03 2010 - 04:02 AM, said:

With the latsest arbitration loss in the Rob Elloit termination, JP remains winless in "arbite" cases @ UPS (despite his claim otherwise). This one was exceptionally embarrassing, even for the Embarrassment slate. 24 yr UPS driver & longtime Penas buddy Rob Elliot was term'd Oct. 14, '09 for "proven dishonesty" ( i.e., inflating miles, padding stops). The case was heard @ panel the following month in which the committee reinstated Elliot but imposed additional time off till Jan. 4, '10. After an 82 day suspension, back to work RE goes w/ incompetent business agent Kenny Pietrafeso standing by his side. RE starts off by demanding a mgt. OJS (ride along) on the truck. Through the course of the day RE refuses to work as directed & makes statements to the supervisor their conversations were being recorded. Long story short, mgt. pulls him off road, brings him back to the center office, grabs a steward and they conduct a termination meeting and RE gets walked out the gate that afternoon. Charge? "proven dishonesty" once again. Back to panel Pietrafeso & Elliot go to get a "deadlock" (to arbitration) decision from the committee. June 30, '10 Elliot sits before an arbitrator explaining his lies with more lies ("I don't have a recording, just a recording device..."). Mr. Arbitrator saw thru this and ended the fiasco by flushing RE last week. Elliot brought all this squarely on himself. Yes, it is sad to see someone throw away years of service by playing foolish games with a good livelihood. But this is the effect JP's "Empowerment" has on those who trust him. And the local felt it absolutely necessary to throw away thousands of $$$ for such a meritless case merely for the sake of a supporter? For Kenny & John I have a question on the Elliot decision: "Is it live, or is it Memorex?"

Isn't it wonderful that John will arbitrate a case such as this when there is no chance of winning but won't arbitrate the cases at the Nevada Test Site where we lost our work. I was laid off at the site in May of 2010 when the company put two electricians in a Teamster warehouse to do our work. To this day John has refused to do anything about this. Every day I sit at home while these two electricians do the work that I was doing. I was called back to work three weeks ago for a thirty day call and laid off again on Thursday last week. Before being laid off I discovered that management was doing our work in a warehouse at the Jasper project. I called the business agent Jim Stiner and let him know that two of us were being laid off while management was doing our work. Stiners response was that Jasper was an end user but couldn't explain what that meant. There is no such thing they are operating a warehouse no matter what they say and I and another Teamster were laid off WTF. If you are not a John and Kevin supporter you get no representation. John was quoted by NSTech management as saying "I don't kneed the Test Site all I need is Republic Services and UPS". I have to believe this because so far he has not arbitrated one grievance for the Members at the Nevada Test Site and has handed nearly everyone back saying no merit. It is clear to all the Members at the Nevada Test Site that they are on their own and have no representation.

[sadjjjjer]

teamodude, on October 02 2010 - 08:19 AM, said:

Good or bad your leader was put in 848 according to the International Constitution and your Local Union bylaws. He was not shoved down your throat he was legally installed. The VP was right take him out in the election. Although you did not vote him in as S/T your Local did vote for him as an officer. You really have to watch who is on the ticket not just who is at the top.

Wrong. Tate was put in at an eboard meeting that Santangelo, was said to have attended and influenced, after resigning. When an eboard member who was not notified of this meeting complained, Aloise is said to have been the one who called another meeting. Too late as the damage was done and Tate, Santangelos pal, was appointed again. Tate has never run for office, and nobody knew who he is or was until asshole had him put in. Seems like Aloise might have taken the easy way out, ot of concern for his supposed buddy Santangelo, to the detriment of Local 848 members. Yes the members can react at the next election and hopefully 848 won't be completely broke. Thank goodness for all the high paid organizers and staff-just kidding. You fools at 631 are the ones who voted the assholes in there so I would say stop whining, sleep in the bed YOU made, and like Aloise says react at the next election hehehehe.

[stonebone]

Brother Wayne, I can tell you all Penas has @ UPS (both N. & S.bldgs, air-gate and Tonopah) is half a handful of wannabe thugs, cronies and cheerleaders. It's a joke to see his supporters strutting around as mock-stewards thinking their big-mouthed opinions are a substitute for knowledgeable understanding & handling of the issues (a specific listing of examples would be tedious). Management dismisses them @ every turn. And BA's Clapper, Pietrafeso and (wannabe BA) Gallegos draw management's contempt every time they enter the facility. Even most of the members who drank the kool-aid & voted for them are severely disillusioned and suffer from acute voter's remorse. They also recognize "Empowerment" as the sham it is. So, Phillipenas has no real membership support out of his own craft @ UPS. From what I hear there is widespread hostility towards him & Kevin @ Republic also. JP & crew have reaped what they have sown.

[631teamo]

The leadership of our Local has sunk to an all time low. Penis and group of nutless eboard members fired Hardison. Penis being the genius that hes not declares Hardison is no longer President. The eboard selects Johnny Scumzales to be the new President. Dumb ass Donny and Clove bring El Presidente to the convention floor to show off Scumzales to the Convention members. The next day Hoffa tells Penis "hey dumb ass, you cant remove Crackhead! He's elected!". Now Penis is really pissed (but still a limp dick).

So heres the latest according to Dumb Donny, Terry, and Clove. Kevin is a thief! John has filed charges! The eboard is going to kick Kevin out of the local. They also said that John told all the Business Agents to let all the members know that Kevin was caught stealing. When Donny was asked why he wouldnt be President his reply was "he is retiring soon". Once again here comes Hoffa "Dear penis, you idiot your charges cant be heard with your eboard, they are all retarted! Follow the constitution and hear them at the joint council!". Now Penis is really pissed (but still as limp as a noodle).

These guys are a joke!

[teamodude]

There has been an error on these posts. John Philipenas has been referred to as Penis, Philamurphy and many other names. I want to set the record straight as to what John Philipenas should be known as from this point forward. John should now be known as DORK, The definition of dork is someone who is different. That certainly describes John Philipenas. John is different than anybody I know and that is not in a good sense. Another definition of DORK is the penis of a whale. Now we all know John is known as Penis because he is a dick head. So from this day forward I will just refer to John as DORK that does describe him to a tee. TDU can kiss my ass and DORK can kiss my ass as well.

[reallyteam]

teamodude, on January 27 2011 - 08:15 AM, said:

There has been an error on these posts. John Philipenas has been referred to as Penis, Philamurphy and many other names. I want to set the record straight as to what John Philipenas should be known as from this point forward. John should now be known as DORK, The definition of dork is someone who is different. That certainly describes John Philipenas. John is different than anybody I know and that is not in a good sense. Another definition of DORK is the penis of a whale. Now we all know John is known as Penis because he is a dick head. So from this day forward I will just refer to John as DORK that does describe him to a tee. TDU can kiss my ass and DORK can kiss my ass as well.

The dork is just another of many teamster abortions that a majority of the deaf dumb and blind teamster members voted in. You wanted him you got him. 631 is a trashcan and has been for decades, with members who strive for failure.

[Mark DeVilbiss]

reallyteam, on January 27 2011 - 11:21 PM, said:

The dork is just another of many teamster abortions that a majority of the deaf dumb and blind teamster members voted in. You wanted him you got him. 631 is a trashcan and has been for decades, with members who strive for failure.

While I won't take the time to "restate the obvious" regarding the incumbent slate's poor performance of their duties (that perspective has been clearly stated in the past), I would like to comment on "reallyteam's" comments here about Local 631.

First of all, keep in mind that only 25% of the membership of Local 631 voted in the last election and the (now) incumbents only received somewhere around 800-900 votes (of over 6000 members). Based upon these facts, I would have to say that the problem with our last election is that A MAJORITY OF OUR MEMBERS DIDN'T VOTE. Our membership's failure to participate, due to apathy, in this last election does seem to invoke images of, "The Three Monkeys", with their hands over their eyes ('see no evil'), ears ('hear no evil') and mouth ('say no evil'). THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE CRIPPLING OUR LOCAL IS APATHY. In this sense, our LOCAL DID GET THE LEADERSHIP IT DESERVED BY NOT PARTICIPATING IN THE LAST ELECTION.

With regards to our Local being, "a trashcan", though, I strongly take issue. Reallyteam, if you live in the "trashcan" of 631, then I would think of you as, "Oscar, the Grouch" (of Sesame Street fame); that is, a person exhibiting here an attitude that is a part of the problem, rather than a part of the solution. If you are a member of our Local, I say, "shame on you" for making this post; if you aren't a member of our Local, I say, "SHUT THE F@*K UP AND KEEP YOUR BULLSH#T COMMENTS TO YOURSELF"!

Making fatalistic statements like the above does nothing to help our situation at Local 631. Saying that 631's members, "strive for failure" is also counterproductive. I believe that our membership desires to see our local succeed. I believe that we need to see a "Facilitative Leadership" team emerge from our membership that is willing to serve the members by building a general consensus that includes all crafts represented by our great Local. We must all learn to stand on the "common ground" of our shared needs and empower those amongst us that have, as their primary motivation, the desire to see the membership's needs met.

It is difficult for a membership such as that of a Local to be willing to participate when it seems that the agenda of the Local's officers is a personal one, that is not primarily concerned with serving the members that put them in office. This, I believe, is the source of the apathy that plagues our Local. However, if the membership is willing to participate in the process of restoring health to our Local, we can turn it around.

OUR CONSTITUTION & BYLAWS HAVE GIVEN US, THE MEMBERSHIP, CONTROL OF OUR OWN DESTINY AS A LOCAL. However, because of the poor leadership exhibited by our incumbents (as was so aptly demonstrated by the Trusteeship hearing) and a failure by our officers to adhere to the Constitution & Bylaws, we are now subjected to oversight by the IBT. Their help is necessary to cure the situation caused by the incumbents of 631.

Going through whatever process we must endure now (due to our incumbent officers' performance) to "right our ship" (that is prescribed by our General President, James P. Hoffa) is going to help us transition to a place where we will be able to succeed as a Local.

We must be patient with the IBT and the General President as they determine what is the best way to ensure this sort of future for Local 631.

In Article VI, Section 5(a) of the IBT Constitution (pg. 45; read it yourself) our Constitution states the following: .

"Such representatives shall make their recommendations to the General President orally or in writing within sixty (60) days after the furnishing of the transcript of testimony, and the decision in the case shall be made by the General President himself, which decision shall be made within fifteen (15) days after such recommendations are received by him, and the decision shall be promptly transmitted to the Local Union or other subordinate body."

While I'm not certain, I would guess that the transcript was probably "furnished" about a week or two ago. I was at the hearing (for every minute of it) and I would speculate that the stack of documents and testimony included in the transcript are about two (2) feet tall.

Now, I'm not sure how many THOUSANDS OF PAGES a stack of paper that high represents, but I DO KNOW THAT IT'S A LOT!!!



The fact that the IBT and GP Hoffa are carefully examining this "mountain of evidence" and considering the next steps necessary to serve our membership demonstrates PRUDENCE and RESPONSIBLE LEADERSHIP on their part.

Many good people, both locally and nationally, including many of our own members, are "waiting in the wings" to assist Local 631. Let's be patient, be unified and be ready to be responsible members, participating in whatever future lies ahead. I will be involved and I hope to see you there, as well.

[16stew57]

Mark DeVilbiss, on January 28 2011 - 10:34 AM, said:

While I won't take the time to comment on the incumbent's performance of their duties (that perspective has been clearly stated in the past), I would like to comment on "reallyteam's" comments here about Local 631.

First of all, keep in mind that only 25% of the membership of Local 631 voted in the last election and the (now) incumbents only received somewhere around 800-900 votes (of over 6000 members). Based upon these facts, I would have to say that the problem with our last election is that A MAJORITY OF OUR MEMBERS DIDN'T VOTE. Our membership's failure to participate, due to apathy, in this last election does seem to invoke images of, "The Three Monkeys", with their hands over their eyes ('see no evil'), ears ('hear no evil') and mouth ('say no evil'). The problem of apathy is the NUMBER ONE ISSUE FACING OUR LOCAL. In this sense, our LOCAL DID GET THE LEADERSHIP IT DESERVED BY NOT PARTICIPATING IN THE LAST ELECTION.

With regards to our Local being, "a trashcan", though, I strongly take issue. Reallyteam, if you live in the "trashcan" of 631, then I would think of you as, "Oscar, the Grouch" (of Sesame Street fame); that is, a person exhibiting here an attitude that is a part of the problem, rather than a part of the solution. If you are a member of our Local, I say, "shame on you" for making this post; if you aren't a member of our Local, I say, "SHUT THE F@*K UP AND KEEP YOUR BULLSH#T COMMENTS TO YOURSELF"!

Making fatalistic statements like the above does nothing to help our situation at Local 631. Saying that 631's members, "strive for failure" is also counterproductive. I believe that our membership desires to see our local succeed. I believe that we need to see a "Facilitative Leadership" team emerge from our membership that is willing to serve the members by building a general consensus that includes all crafts represented by our great Local. We must all learn to stand on the "common ground" of our shared needs and empower those amongst us that have, as their primary motivation, the desire to see the membership's needs met.

It is difficult for a membership such as that of a Local to be willing to participate when it seems that the agenda of the Local's officers is a personal one, that is not primarily concerned with serving the members that put them in office. This, I believe, is the source of the apathy that plagues our Local. However, if the membership is willing to participate in the process of restoring health to our Local, we can turn it around.

OUR CONSTITUTION & BYLAWS HAVE GIVEN US, THE MEMBERSHIP, CONTROL OF OUR OWN DESTINY AS A LOCAL.

Going through whatever process we must endure now (due to our incumbent officers' performance) to "right our ship" (that is prescribed by our General President, James P. Hoffa) is going to help us transition to a place where we will be able to succeed as a Local.

We must be patient with the IBT and the General President as they determine what is the best way to ensure this sort of future for Local 631. The fact that they are carefully considering the next steps necessary to serve our membership demonstrates PRUDENCE and RESPONSIBLE LEADERSHIP on the part of GP Hoffa.

Many good people, both locally and nationally, including many of our own members, are "waiting in the wings" to assist Local 631. Let's be patient, be unified and be ready to be responsible members, participating in whatever future lies ahead. I will be involved and I hope to see you there, as well.

Brother Mark again you've shown me what a good teamster is all about,I hope when all this dust is settled,I can work with you to help make this union a better union for all,we need people like you,as for you rellyteam, looks like Mark told you.

[racinovals]

16stew57, on January 28 2011 - 05:25 PM, said:

Brother Mark again you've shown me what a good teamster is all about,I hope when all this dust is settled,I can work with you to help make this union a better union for all,we need people like you,as for you rellyteam, looks like Mark told you.

Reallyteam if you are a 631 member you are with the slate that is in office right now because what you typed in your message is right in line with them. PLEASE do not think for one minute that our members are in a trash can! I really would like to tell you how I really feel with all the FU'S and you DH and so on but the members of LOCAL 631 are PROUD and we may be acussed of being complacent but not TRASH so if your a member please apologise to the rest of us. WE NEED TO MOVE ON!