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[bitchslaptherats]

Again throwing accusations with nothing to back it up. Gegare has stood up in the GEB meetings and confronted Hoffa about his poor decisions.
Gegare disagrees with the direction this Union is headed under Hoffa and is giving the members a choice--try something new or head down the road of destruction.

Rome/Hoffa2011, on August 23 2010 - 02:25 PM, said:

Its not cheap politics if people have a difference of opinion and go their separate ways. I have a problem when somebody like Gegare makes one of the main issues of his campaign something like the end of the RISE program in 2004. What does it say about Gegare if he thought RISE was this big an issue but NEVER SAID ONE WORD, in fact, HE NOMINATED HOFFA AT THE 2006 CONVENTION! That tells me that Gegare is not as principled as he claims to be. It tells me Gegare is NOT about the members like he claims to be. It tells me that Gegare is a fraud and a phony and can't be trusted. And we already know we can't trust Fast Freddy with money. Hell the guy lost 9.5 BILLION IN ONE YEAR!

I think Rome lost faith in Lucio after his serial harassment of women and his pilfering of his unions treasury recently came to light. Not something from 6 years ago.

[Rome/Hoffa2011]

bitchslaptherats, on August 24 2010 - 07:47 AM, said:

Again throwing accusations with nothing to back it up. Gegare has stood up in the GEB meetings and confronted Hoffa about his poor decisions.
Gegare disagrees with the direction this Union is headed under Hoffa and is giving the members a choice--try something new or head down the road of destruction.

Here's your chance to back up YOUR claim dipshit.

Show me proof where Fred Gegare stood up in a GEB meeting and confronted Hoffa about the Stier report. Gegare obviously thinks this is an issue of huge importance by the prominence it holds on his website and his concern with all the "Tony Soprano wannabes" in our union. Or are you a LIAR?

So c'mon DUMMY, show me the minutes where he stood up to Hoffa and took him to task about the end of the RISE program in 2004. He had 20+ meetings to say something,NOW EITHER PROVE IT OR SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Or are you just making claims with nothing to back it up?

[SHIFTALKER]

DumpHoffaNow, on August 23 2010 - 10:21 PM, said:

Any employer may exit the funds by paying the withdrawal liability if the contract negotiators don't do anything about it. Gegare actually made UPS pay more than $2 billion more when they exited. Hoffa and Hall could have kept UPS in the fund but didn't have the balls to take them on.

Dumpy,

You say that any employer may exit the funds by paying the withdrawal liability. This is true. In order to have prevented UPS from exiting the funds, UPS members would have had to go out on strike which they surely would not have done, although they might strike if Gegare tries to put them back in Central States.

It is laughable to suggest that all that is needed is "balls" to take on and beat UPS. Let's look at the track records of the candidates. Ken Hall led over 100,000 Teamsters through the victorious nationwide strike in '97 against UPS. Fred Gegare bumbled and fumbled his way through his losing strike at Waste Management in 2008 with only 200 members. Gegare had the "balls" to take his guys out on strike in 2008, but he sure as hell didn't have the smarts to win. Gegare is an embarrassment. I'll take Ken Hall any day of the week over an boastful drunk like Gegare.

Gegare and his minions are good at criticizing but they haven't proven they can lead. I also find it funny that Gegare talks about organizing in core industries. Where is his track record in that department? I didn't know that making cheese was a core Teamster industry.

[RealTeam]

Fred is a Trustee, in fact the Chair of the Trustees at the fund.
There was a vote for the fund to negotiate with UPS to get all they could when UPS decided they wanted out. There could have been no negotiations, no approval, none of that without a vote. That is the way a fund works. Ask Fred. Will he stand up and say HE DID NOT VOTE for UPS to get out of the fund?
Of Course not. IF he was sober he will remember the vote that he cast.
How anyone, even his own minions can say that Fred did not approve the deal that let UPS out of the fund is absolutely ludicrous. Since they are denying that Fred voted for the deal, tell them to get a signed and notarized statement from Fred to that effect and post it here. IF it is true he did not, I will apologize. IF it is true that he did, you should tell him to do the right thing and quit campaigning on BS.

[Lando]

Well it looks like we are pretty much in agreement that Gegare can't escape his participation in the UPS Central States exit. His organizing plan sucks and this RISE stuff is a crock. Someone pointed out his great ability to lead a strike and I can't figure out what he means when it comes to the political world.

I bet he knows a lot about the Packers though.

He has no real plan on leading our Union in any way and it's been well established that he is a Drunk.

So his platform is based on bashing Hoffa and Hall

Now it's time to talk about the future and how we move beyond the self destruction of our union. What can we do to better organize in our real "core" industries, be more involved in DRIVE, individually participate and get others to. Let's have a conversation on HOW we make this happen and not go round and round with the bashing.

[lesgroucho1]

SHIFTALKER, on August 25 2010 - 03:37 AM, said:

Dumpy,

You say that any employer may exit the funds by paying the withdrawal liability. This is true. In order to have prevented UPS from exiting the funds, UPS members would have had to go out on strike which they surely would not have done, although they might strike if Gegare tries to put them back in Central States.

It is laughable to suggest that all that is needed is "balls" to take on and beat UPS. Let's look at the track records of the candidates. Ken Hall led over 100,000 Teamsters through the victorious nationwide strike in '97 against UPS. Fred Gegare bumbled and fumbled his way through his losing strike at Waste Management in 2008 with only 200 members. Gegare had the "balls" to take his guys out on strike in 2008, but he sure as hell didn't have the smarts to win. Gegare is an embarrassment. I'll take Ken Hall any day of the week over an boastful drunk like Gegare.

Gegare and his minions are good at criticizing but they haven't proven they can lead. I also find it funny that Gegare talks about organizing in core industries. Where is his track record in that department? I didn't know that making cheese was a core Teamster industry.

The 240 Brothers and Sisters in Milwaukee stepped up with Teamster traditional values to do their part, 160 of those with less than 5 years in the Fund honored those by their commitment to take a position to stand strong for the 80 that had a huge stake in their retirement future with the Fund. It was not Gegare that walked away from the fight, it was the decision makers in DC that chose to let the Milwaukee Brothers and Sisters dance with no partners. Where this great organization should have banded together to send a strong meesage with extension of picket lines from coast to coast,standing strong with unity and solidarity with sister Locals across this nation, but people shut their phones off, left the building, gave some lip service and just plainly walked away. Gegare did not, he personally shared a commitment to do what ever he could to assist those members, including assisting in raising funds to feed the striking workers daily with a food panty at the Local Union. Balls, he has the balls to call out the people who stepped away from the fight, those that choose to hide behind closed doors that should have been open and these leaders should have been stepping up to do the right thing. Ask the rest of the Locals that have Waste Management and had CSPF. The lack of strength displayed in DC to protect the benefits labor leaders fought hard to get for these members became the employers weapon to destory the retirement security of hundreds of Brothers and Sisters in the states of the upper midwest. The battle to protect these pensions is everyones battle, it is a fight we should have all taken on.

These 240 Brothers and Sisters should be praised for the values they put forth, values of being true Teamsters to protect what should have been theirs. They stood strong for weeks, prepared to fight the battle at whatever costs,no matter how much green Waste had, only to be left at the curb by the those that place more value on their white collars than the sweat of the members.

An injury to one is an injury to all.

[SHIFTALKER]

lesgroucho1, on August 25 2010 - 08:47 PM, said:

The 240 Brothers and Sisters in Milwaukee stepped up with Teamster traditional values to do their part, 160 of those with less than 5 years in the Fund honored those by their commitment to take a position to stand strong for the 80 that had a huge stake in their retirement future with the Fund. It was not Gegare that walked away from the fight, it was the decision makers in DC that chose to let the Milwaukee Brothers and Sisters dance with no partners. Where this great organization should have banded together to send a strong meesage with extension of picket lines from coast to coast,standing strong with unity and solidarity with sister Locals across this nation, but people shut their phones off, left the building, gave some lip service and just plainly walked away. Gegare did not, he personally shared a commitment to do what ever he could to assist those members, including assisting in raising funds to feed the striking workers daily with a food panty at the Local Union. Balls, he has the balls to call out the people who stepped away from the fight, those that choose to hide behind closed doors that should have been open and these leaders should have been stepping up to do the right thing. Ask the rest of the Locals that have Waste Management and had CSPF. The lack of strength displayed in DC to protect the benefits labor leaders fought hard to get for these members became the employers weapon to destory the retirement security of hundreds of Brothers and Sisters in the states of the upper midwest. The battle to protect these pensions is everyones battle, it is a fight we should have all taken on.

These 240 Brothers and Sisters should be praised for the values they put forth, values of being true Teamsters to protect what should have been theirs. They stood strong for weeks, prepared to fight the battle at whatever costs,no matter how much green Waste had, only to be left at the curb by the those that place more value on their white collars than the sweat of the members.

An injury to one is an injury to all.

First you blame Terry, now you blame Hoffa. Funny how the buck never seems to stop with Gegare.

It takes more than balls to stand up to the world's biggest waste management firm and win. It takes brains. Before Gegare took those 240 men out on strike he failed to line up support across the country. He failed to contact and strategize with the Waste division at the IBT. He failed to review contracts at other Waste Management locals across the country. And when he talked to the one leader in his area that had successfully struck WM, he ignored everything he was told. Terry even offered to come up and negotiate the contract for Fred, but Fred's ego wouldn't allow that to happen. These are the facts. In the end, Terry still had to come up and negotiate and pull Fred's ass out of the fire. Of course Fred then had Terry fired from his position at the IBT which hurt every WM Teamster in the country. But did Fred care about injuring all the WM Teamsters from coast to coast? Of course not, Fred only cares about his ego.

Nobody doubts the courage of the 240 men who Gegare took out on strike. The sad thing is that they put their trust in someone who didn't do his homework, had an ill-advised plan and was all bluster and no brains. The one good thing that came out of that disaster of a strike is that it serves as a cautionary tale to anybody who is thinking of voting for Gegare to lead our union.

[lesgroucho1]

SHIFTALKER, on August 26 2010 - 07:05 AM, said:

First you blame Terry, now you blame Hoffa. Funny how the buck never seems to stop with Gegare.

It takes more than balls to stand up to the world's biggest waste management firm and win. It takes brains. Before Gegare took those 240 men out on strike he failed to line up support across the country. He failed to contact and strategize with the Waste division at the IBT. He failed to review contracts at other Waste Management locals across the country. And when he talked to the one leader in his area that had successfully struck WM, he ignored everything he was told. Terry even offered to come up and negotiate the contract for Fred, but Fred's ego wouldn't allow that to happen. These are the facts. In the end, Terry still had to come up and negotiate and pull Fred's ass out of the fire. Of course Fred then had Terry fired from his position at the IBT which hurt every WM Teamster in the country. But did Fred care about injuring all the WM Teamsters from coast to coast? Of course not, Fred only cares about his ego.

Nobody doubts the courage of the 240 men who Gegare took out on strike. The sad thing is that they put their trust in someone who didn't do his homework, had an ill-advised plan and was all bluster and no brains. The one good thing that came out of that disaster of a strike is that it serves as a cautionary tale to anybody who is thinking of voting for Gegare to lead our union.

While you are washing and waxing Hancock's golfcart, be careful not to step in the bullshit.

[SHIFTALKER]

lesgroucho1, on August 27 2010 - 02:39 AM, said:

While you are washing and waxing Hancock's golfcart, be careful not to step in the bullshit.

The only bullshit is the stuff you are spreading.

Why don't you tell the readers of Teamster.net how Fred Gegare's own Waste Management contract didn't have the right to extend picket lines.

Gegare is such a great negotiator that he failed to get this language for his Green Bay members but he expected WM Teamsters from across the country to extend picket lines and do the heavy lifting so he could puff out his chest and play the tough guy. He took those 240 men out on strike without talking to anybody or putting together a winning plan and he couldn't even extend picket lines at his own local. That is fucking pathetic if you ask me.

Typical Gegare though. Expect every else to pick up the pieces and pay the price for your stupidity. Go ahead Grouch, tell me about bullshit. I've seen it up close from Gegare. He may know cheese, but he doesn't know shit about leading this union.

[apostle]

SHIFTALKER, on August 27 2010 - 04:49 AM, said:

The only bullshit is the stuff you are spreading.

Why don't you tell the readers of Teamster.net how Fred Gegare's own Waste Management contract didn't have the right to extend picket lines.

Gegare is such a great negotiator that he failed to get this language for his Green Bay members but he expected WM Teamsters from across the country to extend picket lines and do the heavy lifting so he could puff out his chest and play the tough guy. He took those 240 men out on strike without talking to anybody or putting together a winning plan and he couldn't even extend picket lines at his own local. That is fucking pathetic if you ask me.

Typical Gegare though. Expect every else to pick up the pieces and pay the price for your stupidity. Go ahead Grouch, tell me about bullshit. I've seen it up close from Gegare. He may know cheese, but he doesn't know shit about leading this union.

As a Good Teamster (Union) leader, the obvious goal is to improve members and families well being in negotiations, if a strike is necessary hopefully preparations have been examined,set in place and agreed upon with other locals and the International prior to the strike, a good leader looks for ways to win the strike and plans for ways to get their members Back To Work, isolation is not a good thing, A agreed upon team PLAN has a tremendous advantage to achieve the goals we desire, I keep the Washington Teamster members of Coca Cola in my prayers..............

[Lando]

SHIFTALKER, on August 27 2010 - 04:49 AM, said:

The only bullshit is the stuff you are spreading.

Why don't you tell the readers of Teamster.net how Fred Gegare's own Waste Management contract didn't have the right to extend picket lines.

Gegare is such a great negotiator that he failed to get this language for his Green Bay members but he expected WM Teamsters from across the country to extend picket lines and do the heavy lifting so he could puff out his chest and play the tough guy. He took those 240 men out on strike without talking to anybody or putting together a winning plan and he couldn't even extend picket lines at his own local. That is fucking pathetic if you ask me.

Typical Gegare though. Expect every else to pick up the pieces and pay the price for your stupidity. Go ahead Grouch, tell me about bullshit. I've seen it up close from Gegare. He may know cheese, but he doesn't know shit about leading this union.

Well said SHIFTALKER, Gegare is so full of himself it's crazy. Gegare, Slawson, Zuckerman and Reyes are about as phony as it comes. Just wait till the good shit comes out on Slawson. Zuckerman cut a deal with TDU in his local so they would back off of him. Reyes, can't believe he would hang with Gegare after all the shit Gegare talked about him. Maybe that's the only place he can go. These guys are half the reason TDU has any energy of the little that they have. They define the reason TDU has an existence and gives them the perseverance to keep their bullshit up.

They claim they aren't TDU but boy they sure do sound like them lately. Hell look at Gegares website and TDUs and mark all the similarities.

I proposed a discussion on moving on and I don't have any takers yet. If everyone still wants to bash Gegare I am good with it but we need something constructive with it in moving forward. Believe me I love to laugh at the funny shit people say about Gegare being a joke, let's get some substance on moving forward too.

[Lando]

[quote name='apostle' date='August 27 2010 - 08:49 AM' timestamp='1282927791' post='282243']

As a Good Teamster (Union) leader, the obvious goal is to improve members and families well being in negotiations, if a strike is necessary hopefully preparations have been examined,set in place and agreed upon with other locals and the International prior to the strike, a good leader looks for ways to win the strike and plans for ways to get their members Back To Work, isolation is not a good thing, A agreed upon team PLAN has a tremendous advantage to achieve the goals we desire, I keep the Washington Teamster members of Coca Cola in my prayers..............

[/quote

Very true, and to all those Coke members, let us know what you need! It looks like they have a good plan in Washington.

[SOCAL IN 10RC]

Wow fred gagare is everything that is wrong for us at this time in our history!!! I guess that it ok to ride Hoffas nuts for only so long? What happend to loyalty??? I know that Hoffa is not perfect and we are facing very hard times so its easy to point fingers (gagare) and jump ship. I feel now that the back stabbers have shown their colors Hoffa can clean house and get people who truly care about our union and not their own glory!! DUMP GARARE

[lesgroucho1]

SHIFTALKER, on August 27 2010 - 04:49 AM, said:

The only bullshit is the stuff you are spreading.

Why don't you tell the readers of Teamster.net how Fred Gegare's own Waste Management contract didn't have the right to extend picket lines.

Gegare is such a great negotiator that he failed to get this language for his Green Bay members but he expected WM Teamsters from across the country to extend picket lines and do the heavy lifting so he could puff out his chest and play the tough guy. He took those 240 men out on strike without talking to anybody or putting together a winning plan and he couldn't even extend picket lines at his own local. That is fucking pathetic if you ask me.

Typical Gegare though. Expect every else to pick up the pieces and pay the price for your stupidity. Go ahead Grouch, tell me about bullshit. I've seen it up close from Gegare. He may know cheese, but he doesn't know shit about leading this union.

Hi ho hi ho, it's what you think you know...............

As Teamsters, are we not a Brotherhood to "do the heavy lifting" as one? I am a firm believer in local union autonomy as stated in a document very near to my soul, ".......the local unions preserved their autonomy and indentity and structured an International based upon the concept that the heart of the local is the membership and the core of the International must be its locals."

You need to really take a very close review of your comments in your last 2 posts. Do some homework. Take a moment and read your Constitution about what it takes to take members out a strike or job action, it just isn't a feel good event as you may want to have others believe for only one to feel chesty.

[SOCAL IN 10RC]

Its funny that on freds web site he talks about how Hoffas is all smoke and mirrors, and the IBT is falling apart because Hoffas not folowing tom keegels financial advice.(General Secretary-Treasurer Tom Keegel dedicated almost a quarter of his Teamster career to bringing our union back from the brink of financial disaster. His honesty and expertise put the Teamster books back in order -- at least until James Phillip Hoffa stopped following his advice) but on the same site talks shit about Hoffa and the organizing department! (then dues paying members aren't benefiting from organizing. If they aren't benefiting, they can't be expected to continue paying for a bloated and overbudget Organizing Department)hey fred the guy running the overbuget bloated organizing department is jeff farmer SEIU stupid tom keegels boy. SMOKE AND MIRRORS ok fred

[RATbuster133]

SOCAL IN 10RC, on August 28 2010 - 10:13 AM, said:

Wow fred gagare is everything that is wrong for us at this time in our history!!! I guess that it ok to ride Hoffas nuts for only so long? What happend to loyalty??? I know that Hoffa is not perfect and we are facing very hard times so its easy to point fingers (gagare) and jump ship. I feel now that the back stabbers have shown their colors Hoffa can clean house and get people who truly care about our union and not their own glory!! DUMP GARARE

I understand from experience that in an instance in which one is a component of a certain camp, one is expected to 'tow the line' of said camp and follow orders; but, when one can no longer conciously stomach carrying out such directives, continuing to do so makes that individual nothing more than a robot.

Independent critical thought founded and built this country, began the Labor Movement and built a middle class. That has much to do with the local union autonomy of which Gegare speaks. Much of what I have seen and read explains and is the driving force behind my sometimes tumultuous words and behavior; I am not a mindless follower.

Anyway, you can't blame a brother if he either just woke up during this term of office, or has been keeping mum all along watching and waiting for the right moment to step up to the plate. Regardless, the time is now, the year to take the Union back will be 2011.

[bitchslaptherats]

That was very thoughtful commentary, and the picture is adorable!

RATbuster133, on September 01 2010 - 01:14 PM, said:

I understand from experience that in an instance in which one is a component of a certain camp, one is expected to 'tow the line' of said camp and follow orders; but, when one can no longer conciously stomach carrying out such directives, continuing to do so makes that individual nothing more than a robot.

Independent critical thought founded and built this country, began the Labor Movement and built a middle class. That has much to do with the local union autonomy of which Gegare speaks. Much of what I have seen and read explains and is the driving force behind my sometimes tumultuous words and behavior; I am not a mindless follower.

Anyway, you can't blame a brother if he either just woke up during this term of office, or has been keeping mum all along watching and waiting for the right moment to step up to the plate. Regardless, the time is now, the year to take the Union back will be 2011.

[SHIFTALKER]

From September 01 2010 - 01:14 PM:

I understand from experience that in an instance in which one is a component of a certain camp, one is expected to 'tow the line' of said camp and follow orders; but, when one can no longer conciously stomach carrying out such directives, continuing to do so makes that individual nothing more than a robot.

Independent critical thought founded and built this country, began the Labor Movement and built a middle class. That has much to do with the local union autonomy of which Gegare speaks. Much of what I have seen and read explains and is the driving force behind my sometimes tumultuous words and behavior; I am not a mindless follower.

Anyway, you can't blame a brother if he either just woke up during this term of office, or has been keeping mum all along watching and waiting for the right moment to step up to the plate. Regardless, the time is now, the year to take the Union back will be 2011.

If Gegare really thought there was as much wrong with our union as he says and did nothing he is nothing more than a coward in my book. You can't support as many things as he has actively supported and then all of a sudden have a revelation one day and say everything you did for the last 10 years was a mistake. That just makes him look like a hypocrite and an idiot. He sounds like John Kerry when he said about his support for a war bill, “I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it.” That's not leadership, that's bullshit.

Gegare's website is chock full of things he was for before he was against it. Nobody has been more critical of TDU that Gegare, but then he asks Sandy Pope to run with him. Gegare criticizes outside consultants but he is as close to Greg Tarpinian and Rich Leebove as any Teamster in the union. gegare criticizes Hoffa for his stewardship of our pension funds when Gegare himself has lost more pension money than any Teamster in history. Gegare has also accepted trips and other perks from investment consultants and money managers that have lost billions of Teamster money in funds Gegare oversees. Gegare criticizes Hoffa for letting employers leave CSPF when Fred has let his own employers leave the fund and undercut CSPF employers in Illinois. Gegare never uttered a word about the Steir report when it came out 6 years ago but now says it is a major issue in his campaign. He wants Hoffa to organize in core industries but kept quiet for 10 years while he was on the board. The list goes on and on. Sorry but I'm not buying what he's selling. And from the looks of the petitions, nobody else is buying his flip flop bullshit either.

And according to his website there were thousands of petitions coming in from all across the country, in his words, "A flood of Fred petitions".

A flood of Fred's bullshit if you ask me.

[DumpHoffaNow]

SHIFTALKER, on September 06 2010 - 04:36 AM, said:

If Gegare really thought there was as much wrong with our union as he says and did nothing he is nothing more than a coward in my book. You can't support as many things as he has actively supported and then all of a sudden have a revelation one day and say everything you did for the last 10 years was a mistake. That just makes him look like a hypocrite and an idiot. He sounds like John Kerry when he said about his support for a war bill, “I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it.” That's not leadership, that's bullshit.

Gegare's website is chock full of things he was for before he was against it. Nobody has been more critical of TDU that Gegare, but then he asks Sandy Pope to run with him. Gegare criticizes outside consultants but he is as close to Greg Tarpinian and Rich Leebove as any Teamster in the union. gegare criticizes Hoffa for his stewardship of our pension funds when Gegare himself has lost more pension money than any Teamster in history. Gegare has also accepted trips and other perks from investment consultants and money managers that have lost billions of Teamster money in funds Gegare oversees. Gegare criticizes Hoffa for letting employers leave CSPF when Fred has let his own employers leave the fund and undercut CSPF employers in Illinois. Gegare never uttered a word about the Steir report when it came out 6 years ago but now says it is a major issue in his campaign. He wants Hoffa to organize in core industries but kept quiet for 10 years while he was on the board. The list goes on and on. Sorry but I'm not buying what he's selling. And from the looks of the petitions, nobody else is buying his flip flop bullshit either.

And according to his website there were thousands of petitions coming in from all across the country, in his words, "A flood of Fred petitions".

A flood of Fred's bullshit if you ask me.

SHITALKER is at it again. Why is it that Hoffa won't take responsibility for all the failures at the IBT and you want to blame it on Gegare? He is anything but a coward. He had the balls to tell Hoffa he is fucking up the Union and when Hoffa didn't listen Gegare decided to make change which is what any decent Teamster would do.

Gegare doesn't like the fact the IBT is broke and Hoffa has destroyed the the Union's finances even after getting the largest dues increase from the members and the Local Union. I agree. I don't like it either and Hoffa has no plan to fix it other than raise members dues again.

Gegare doesn't like that the organizing department is $37/million over budget and has not organized in any core industries to support our active and retired members in these industries or Teamster Pension Funds. I agree. I don't like it either.

Gegare doesn't like the fact that Hoffa cashed in 3 non-erisa portfolios against the advise of others and lost $20/million in 9 months. I agree. I don't like it either.

Gegare doesn't like the fact that Hoffa is raiding the strike and defense fund in violation of the constitution because the IBT is broke. I agree. I don't like it either.

Gegare doesn't like the fact Hoffa had to mortgage the building for $20/million to pay bills. I agree. I don't like it either.

Gegare doesn't like the fact that outsiders are running the IBT rather than constitutionally elected officials. I agree. I don't like it either.

Gegare doesn't like the fact that Hoffa and Ken Hall took UPS out of the Central States Pension Funds which will end up screwing our UPS members and all the active and retired Teamsters in these funds. and don't give me any shit that Gegare voted for it because everyone knows it just ain't true - BUT - if you start that shit up again tell us when and where the vote was. Can't do it can you?

Gegare doesn't like the fact that Hoffa and Hall negotiated a substandard contract for UPS Freight and did not put them in a Teamster Pension Plan to support our active and retired Teamsters. I agree. I don't like it either.

Gegare doesn't like the fact that UPS Teamsters are treated like third class citizens by the company and by the greivance panels. Our members should be treated with dignity and respect - like TEAMSTERS.

Gegare doesn't like the fact that Ken Hall lied to UPS Teamsters and told them they would get a cost of living increase. Hall also said he would arbitrate it and never did. I agree. I don't like it either.

Gegare doesn't like the fact that Ken Hall won't do anything for our displaced 22.3 UPSers and refuses to arbitrate these cases. I agree. I don't like it either.

Gegare doesn't like the fact that on a conference call with UPS stewards Ken Hall blamed UPSers for not filing greivances and losing 9.5 cases. What a crock of shit that was. 9.5 greivances have been going to panels for years and being denied. I agree. I don't like it either.

Gegare doesn't like the fact that Hoffa has divided our Union and it's Executive Board, Joint Councils, and Local Unions. I agree. I don't like it either.

Gegare doesn't like the fact that Hoffa was personally involved in Joint Council 43 elections because the Principle Officer doesn't support him. I agree. I don't like it either.



Don't worry about the petitions. Gegare will be accredited and nominated at the convention and will win this election. Saying all the bad shit going on at the IBT is Gegares fault is the most ignorant thing I've heard. Hoffa is the boss. He is responsible for everything that happens. If he doesn't want to take responsibility for the IBT he should retire and move on. We gave Hoffa the opportunity 12 years ago to give us a stronger Union and he has failed us. We can't give him another 5 years to tear down our union.

[Barking Dog]

Gegare doesn't like the fact that Hoffa was personally involved in Joint Council 43 elections because the Principle Officer doesn't support him. I agree. I don't like it either.
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Hoffa even sent the internatioanls head legal counsel, Brad Raymond, to obsevre the vote count. Definite internatioanl involvement.