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[bitchslaptherats]

Do those who are anti-Gegare realize that Gegare, as a Trustee on Central States didn't have a "vote" on whether or not UPS left? It was the UPS bargaining committee which included Hoffa and Hall to recommend to the members to agree to leave Central States pension. Again, Gegare was not on the UPS Freight bargaining committee which did not include these new members into Teamster Pension or Health and Welfare Funds. As for organizing core industries, how are part-time bus drivers one of Teamster core industries? What about the rat freight companies which undercut YRC and USF? And now UPS Freight has a sub-standard contract as well. All Teamsters who are in Teamster Pensions need to realize that if Central States falls, they all will fall. The Western Region is rumored to be going to yellow status next year.

And yes, when I was speaking of Jerry Connors someone shouldn't be given a green light just because his father was a good Teamster like Hoffa's father. But James Riddle Hoffa would strangle his kid right now if he knew what J "Phillip" Hoffa has done to this Union. What I should have said about Jerry is that just like Gegare, he worked his way up through the ranks, he didn't have his local handed to him. Unlike james PHILLIP hoffa who was never a Steward or Local Officer.

[DumpHoffaNow]

Rome/Hoffa2011, on August 23 2010 - 11:27 AM, said:

Central States negotiated the withdrawal directly with UPS. Other than the fund trustees, there were no Teamsters involved in those negotiations, just UPS and Central States. It took 2 months of negotiations to come to an agreement. Once the agreement was reached, all fund trustees--union and employer--had to vote to approve the agreement for UPS to be allowed to exit. Gegare voted to approve the agreement. If the fund trustees didn't approve the agreement, there would have been a court battle which there wasn't. I understand that Gegare was probably drunk and doesn't remember much so you need me to document it so that he can remember this stuff which is pretty pathetic if you ask me. As member of the GEB, Gegare and Slawson also voted to approve the YRC concessions. Are you denying that too? I understand that you guys were both pretty hung over when that vote was taken as well so I understand your lapse of memory.

As far as the RISE program goes, I'm kind of surprised that Gegare has that up on his website. That is straight TDU crap. Gegare knows as well as anyone that when it was clear that the IRB wasn't going to leave even after Stier came out with his report saying that "no union has done more to rid itself of corruption than the Teamsters under Jim Hoffa" that our union couldn't continue to pay $10 million to the IRB and $6 million to RISE per year. Hoffa told this to Stier and he threw a fit and said the Teamsters were standing in his way. If that were true, why is it that when we turned over all Stier's reports and findings and documents to the IRB and federal prosecutors that no charges were ever filed against anybody? Why was nobody ever charged if our union is so dirty as you allege? Prove that I'm wrong about that or shut the fuck up you TDU piece of shit.

You might think its cute cutting down our union and calling it corrupt and full of "Tony Soprano wannabes" but most REAL Teamsters don't. So why don't you go find your buttboy Stier and go have a circle jerk somewhere with the rest of your pathetic slate.

Never was a vote. I checked. You are wrong. Tell me when it was jackass. You can't cause it didn't happen.
Stier was investigating Chicago and Hoffa put a stop to it. Memba that?
The only one I'm cutting on is Hoffa because he's a bum and has destroyed my union and I will not sit back and do nothing and give him another 5 years of destuction.

[Rome/Hoffa2011]

bitchslaptherats, on August 23 2010 - 12:34 PM, said:

And yes, when I was speaking of Jerry Connors someone shouldn't be given a green light just because his father was a good Teamster like Hoffa's father. But James Riddle Hoffa would strangle his kid right now if he knew what J "Phillip" Hoffa has done to this Union. What I should have said about Jerry is that just like Gegare, he worked his way up through the ranks, he didn't have his local handed to him. Unlike james PHILLIP hoffa who was never a Steward or Local Officer.

You mean like Brad Slawson is going to hand his local to his retard son Brad Jr? Or did you mean like Lucio Reyes is going to hand his local to his retard son? You guys are such hypocrites. Does anybody really believe Brad Jr. or Lucio Jr. is the best qualified to lead their locals? Give me a break. But again, do as I say, not as I do. That should be the name of the Gegare slate. The really funny thing is that these clowns think working Teamsters are stupid enough to buy what they are selling.

[Rome/Hoffa2011]

DumpHoffaNow, on August 23 2010 - 12:44 PM, said:

Never was a vote. I checked. You are wrong. Tell me when it was jackass. You can't cause it didn't happen.
Stier was investigating Chicago and Hoffa put a stop to it. Memba that?
The only one I'm cutting on is Hoffa because he's a bum and has destroyed my union and I will not sit back and do nothing and give him another 5 years of destuction.

You are the jackass. Fred voted to approve the deal.

I love how principled Fred has become in the last year. If Fred Gegare was the standup teamster he claims to be and so concerned about supposed corruption, why didn't he ever stand up and say something. STIER QUIT IN 2004! Fred Gegare personally nominated Hoffa for reelection at the convention in 2006. Gee, if Fred was so concerned about all those Tony Soprano wannabes running the union at the time of Stier's report, why didn't he do anything? It couldn't be that gegare is taking advantage of the issue now for purely political reasons could it? Again, Teamsters aren't as stupid as these drunk idiots think they are.

[Barking Dog]

Rome/Hoffa2011, on August 23 2010 - 01:15 PM, said:

You mean like Brad Slawson is going to hand his local to his retard son Brad Jr? Or did you mean like Lucio Reyes is going to hand his local to his retard son? You guys are such hypocrites. Does anybody really believe Brad Jr. or Lucio Jr. is the best qualified to lead their locals? Give me a break. But again, do as I say, not as I do. That should be the name of the Gegare slate. The really funny thing is that these clowns think working Teamsters are stupid enough to buy what they are selling.

mabye they are following years old exampels like Chuck setting up Steve and settitng up Rome. You know the family business side of unions. Was it Chuck, Steve or Rome that got Lucio appoineted to the joint coincil exective board and never had a problem with him until he signed up with Fred? That sounds like cheep politics to me.

[Rome/Hoffa2011]

Barking%20Dog, on August 23 2010 - 01:54 PM, said:

mabye they are following years old exampels like Chuck setting up Steve and settitng up Rome. You know the family business side of unions. Was it Chuck, Steve or Rome that got Lucio appoineted to the joint coincil exective board and never had a problem with him until he signed up with Fred? That sounds like cheep politics to me.

Its not cheap politics if people have a difference of opinion and go their separate ways. I have a problem when somebody like Gegare makes one of the main issues of his campaign something like the end of the RISE program in 2004. What does it say about Gegare if he thought RISE was this big an issue but NEVER SAID ONE WORD, in fact, HE NOMINATED HOFFA AT THE 2006 CONVENTION! That tells me that Gegare is not as principled as he claims to be. It tells me Gegare is NOT about the members like he claims to be. It tells me that Gegare is a fraud and a phony and can't be trusted. And we already know we can't trust Fast Freddy with money. Hell the guy lost 9.5 BILLION IN ONE YEAR!

I think Rome lost faith in Lucio after his serial harassment of women and his pilfering of his unions treasury recently came to light. Not something from 6 years ago.

[DumpHoffaNow]

Rome/Hoffa2011, on August 23 2010 - 01:27 PM, said:

You are the jackass. Fred voted to approve the deal.

I love how principled Fred has become in the last year. If Fred Gegare was the standup teamster he claims to be and so concerned about supposed corruption, why didn't he ever stand up and say something. STIER QUIT IN 2004! Fred Gegare personally nominated Hoffa for reelection at the convention in 2006. Gee, if Fred was so concerned about all those Tony Soprano wannabes running the union at the time of Stier's report, why didn't he do anything? It couldn't be that gegare is taking advantage of the issue now for purely political reasons could it? Again, Teamsters aren't as stupid as these drunk idiots think they are.

When was the vote DUMMY. You say it was a FACT and you know this - when was it DUMMY? There was no vote and Gegare didn't vote for it and you know it. If there was tell us when it was or shut the fuck up Dummy.

[Rome/Hoffa2011]

DumpHoffaNow, on August 23 2010 - 04:20 PM, said:

When was the vote DUMMY. You say it was a FACT and you know this - when was it DUMMY? There was no vote and Gegare didn't vote for it and you know it. If there was tell us when it was or shut the fuck up Dummy.

I'm not your secretary dipshit. But do you ever stop and think how much you sound like an employer.

Gegare and his merry band of misfits have come to save the union when they have been here the whole time, sitting on their hands. Keep up the campaigning (and drinking), we all need the laughs.

[DumpHoffaNow]

Rome/Hoffa2011, on August 23 2010 - 04:52 PM, said:

I'm not your secretary dipshit. But do you ever stop and think how much you sound like an employer.

Gegare and his merry band of misfits have come to save the union when they have been here the whole time, sitting on their hands. Keep up the campaigning (and drinking), we all need the laughs.

What happened to the vote. You said there was a vote and Gegare voted for it. Now prove it because you know it didn't happen you lying piece of shit.

[RealTeam]

theminister, on August 20 2010 - 03:37 AM, said:

Another lie. $2500 per school bus driver with 20,000 organized makes $50 million. I don't think so Einstein.

Farmer was hand picked by Keegel, not Hoffa, the same way that Keegel is responsible for the money at the IBT, not Hoffa. It is spelled out in black and white in the constitution. You Gegare idiots like to read the election rules by the letter, but not the constitution, funny how that works.

DumpHoffaNow said he was a member of Central States, but he exposed himself as an International employee (Brian Killdee to be exact) and that is the real shame. We have spent a boatload of money on this employee to smear our leaders better than any union busting lawyer.

Hasta la vista, Brian!

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[Lando]

Rome/Hoffa2011, on August 23 2010 - 01:27 PM, said:

You are the jackass. Fred voted to approve the deal.

I love how principled Fred has become in the last year. If Fred Gegare was the standup teamster he claims to be and so concerned about supposed corruption, why didn't he ever stand up and say something. STIER QUIT IN 2004! Fred Gegare personally nominated Hoffa for reelection at the convention in 2006. Gee, if Fred was so concerned about all those Tony Soprano wannabes running the union at the time of Stier's report, why didn't he do anything? It couldn't be that gegare is taking advantage of the issue now for purely political reasons could it? Again, Teamsters aren't as stupid as these drunk idiots think they are.

This is exactly why I started this post. Hypocrites are trying to change their face. Teamsters are not as stupid as some think they are and we will point out this bullshit that is being spread.

Gegare had to of approved the exit of UPS according to the Trust rules. If anyone thinks our Trust funds don't have withdrawal liabilities the exit would have happened years ago. The exit was negotiated and the MEMBERS wanted out. Hoffa and Hall did not do that around the Trust without their approval. Ridiculous for anyone to believe that and even worse for Gegare to claim he didn't participate. No one needs to prove when the vote happened. If Gegare is on a Trust that employers can exit without his approval then he is even more stupid than I thought. Think about it Dump or anyone else. Its either he let them out or he chairs a fund that the largest employer bailed on and he did nothing. I guess it's a pickle to answer that one and blame someone.

One more time I will say it, the UPS Pension plan had a far better benefit in the Central States and that's a fact. That's why the members voted to change, as unfortunate as the situation is do you force your members in a plan where they get a lesser benefit. The members ultimately approve or reject these issues at ratification.

Rome/Hoffa2011 it's good to see some help on what appears to be an obvious subject.

Funny Gegare points out the RISE/mob stuff when you have to wonder what the Slawsons look like. Hey maybe they will hook up with Sandy and the hypocrisy will be well rounded.

[Lando]

Rome/Hoffa2011, on August 23 2010 - 02:25 PM, said:

Its not cheap politics if people have a difference of opinion and go their separate ways. I have a problem when somebody like Gegare makes one of the main issues of his campaign something like the end of the RISE program in 2004. What does it say about Gegare if he thought RISE was this big an issue but NEVER SAID ONE WORD, in fact, HE NOMINATED HOFFA AT THE 2006 CONVENTION! That tells me that Gegare is not as principled as he claims to be. It tells me Gegare is NOT about the members like he claims to be. It tells me that Gegare is a fraud and a phony and can't be trusted. And we already know we can't trust Fast Freddy with money. Hell the guy lost 9.5 BILLION IN ONE YEAR!

I think Rome lost faith in Lucio after his serial harassment of women and his pilfering of his unions treasury recently came to light. Not something from 6 years ago.

Thank you! Well said!!!!

[teamodude]

Lando, on August 23 2010 - 07:11 PM, said:

This is exactly why I started this post. Hypocrites are trying to change their face. Teamsters are not as stupid as some think they are and we will point out this bullshit that is being spread.

Gegare had to of approved the exit of UPS according to the Trust rules. If anyone thinks our Trust funds don't have withdrawal liabilities the exit would have happened years ago. The exit was negotiated and the MEMBERS wanted out. Hoffa and Hall did not do that around the Trust without their approval. Ridiculous for anyone to believe that and even worse for Gegare to claim he didn't participate. No one needs to prove when the vote happened. If Gegare is on a Trust that employers can exit without his approval then he is even more stupid than I thought. Think about it Dump or anyone else. Its either he let them out or he chairs a fund that the largest employer bailed on and he did nothing. I guess it's a pickle to answer that one and blame someone.

One more time I will say it, the UPS Pension plan had a far better benefit in the Central States and that's a fact. That's why the members voted to change, as unfortunate as the situation is do you force your members in a plan where they get a lesser benefit. The members ultimately approve or reject these issues at ratification.

Rome/Hoffa2011 it's good to see some help on what appears to be an obvious subject.

Funny Gegare points out the RISE/mob stuff when you have to wonder what the Slawsons look like. Hey maybe they will hook up with Sandy and the hypocrisy will be well rounded.

GEGARE SUCKS AND KEEPS ON SUCKING. VOTE HOFFA FOR OUR FUTURE.

[Lando]

DumpHoffaNow, on August 23 2010 - 05:05 PM, said:

What happened to the vote. You said there was a vote and Gegare voted for it. Now prove it because you know it didn't happen you lying piece of shit.

Don't need to prove when the vote happened. The exit of UPS was negotiated with a dollar amount attached!!! Hello, that's an approval.

[400lbsgorrilla]

What Happened to all the pictures of Fred and Mr Keegel? Did Tom ask him to take them down and if he did why? I think there is something stinky in Denmark or at least Wisconsin!!!! According to Fred's web site THOUSANDS are rushing to sign his petitions and yet I have not seen one in N.Cal so I find it hard to believe that he can get enough signatures in Minnesota and Wisconsin. Good Luck Fred it looks like your going down as fast as the Titanic!!!! ICE BERG AHEAD

[DumpHoffaNow]

Lando, on August 23 2010 - 07:29 PM, said:

Don't need to prove when the vote happened. The exit of UPS was negotiated with a dollar amount attached!!! Hello, that's an approval.

You guys are full of shit. You accuse Gegare of voting to allow UPS out of Central States which is an absolute LIE and then when you get called out on it you say you don't need to prove when the vote happened. You and Hoffa/Rome are nothing but a bunch of fucking liars. The exit of UPS was negotiated by Hoffa and Hall. Any employer may exit the funds by paying the withdrawal liability if the contract negotiators don't do anything about it. Gegare actually made UPS pay more than $2 billion more when they exited. Hoffa and Hall could have kept UPS in the fund but didn't have the balls to take them on. Next contract, they will allow UPS to exit more of the Teamster Pension Funds. Your boys Hoffa and Hall are nothing but fucking dopes.

[coastal]

I'm very tired tonight and should not be posting a comment when tired, however I noticed the same conversation going around about this UPS central states pension situation that occured between the same t-net users about Gegare and Hoffa, this true, that not true,etc. My question is.. To each Hoff and Gegare,.. what are their plans for our(all US states) future pension plans? --if one of them remains as GP and/or if one gets in as a new GP. I would like to know what changes will or going to be made, what kind of plan of action to be taken? We all all want our retirement to be there!--for when we do retire and many of us have a long way to go until then.

I don't care about promises on each of their websites,.. I want to hear how they plan to go about things in all areas. From pensions, organizing, our core industries,etc. not just saying bring back work in our core industries, but saying how and what approach they plan to take each one of the many topics in various areas. The arguing between Hoffa supportes and Gegare supporters is going to go on for the next year here. But I'm sure many Teamsters would like to know their planned approach or ideas to fix things.

[Rome/Hoffa2011]

Gegare has no plan. He has been a disaster when it comes to pensions. While leaders like Rome have managed to keep their funding levels safe, Gegare lost 9.5 BILLION DOLLARS IN ONE YEAR! That $9.5 billion loss was not due to UPS leaving the fund, it was due to terrible money management. Gegare managed to lose the entire UPS buyout by gambling it all in an overbought market. Now he has the audacity to criticize Hoffa for going to cash in a down market for a 14 million dollar loss. Incredible. 9.5 Billion versus 14 million? Either Gegare is just fucking stupid or he can't add.

Gegare has even let his own employers exit Central States so they can undercut employers in neighboring states who belong to the fund. NOW THAT'S LEADERSHIP!

But hey, at least he is taking on the "Tony Soprano wannabes" in our union!

[Lando]

DumpHoffaNow, on August 23 2010 - 10:21 PM, said:

You guys are full of shit. You accuse Gegare of voting to allow UPS out of Central States which is an absolute LIE and then when you get called out on it you say you don't need to prove when the vote happened. You and Hoffa/Rome are nothing but a bunch of fucking liars. The exit of UPS was negotiated by Hoffa and Hall. Any employer may exit the funds by paying the withdrawal liability if the contract negotiators don't do anything about it. Gegare actually made UPS pay more than $2 billion more when they exited. Hoffa and Hall could have kept UPS in the fund but didn't have the balls to take them on. Next contract, they will allow UPS to exit more of the Teamster Pension Funds. Your boys Hoffa and Hall are nothing but fucking dopes.

Thank you for proving my point "Gegare actually made UPS pay more than $2 billion more when they exited" that means he agreed. Thank you for agreeing that he approved it.

[Lando]

coastal, on August 23 2010 - 11:07 PM, said:

I'm very tired tonight and should not be posting a comment when tired, however I noticed the same conversation going around about this UPS central states pension situation that occured between the same t-net users about Gegare and Hoffa, this true, that not true,etc. My question is.. To each Hoff and Gegare,.. what are their plans for our(all US states) future pension plans? --if one of them remains as GP and/or if one gets in as a new GP. I would like to know what changes will or going to be made, what kind of plan of action to be taken? We all all want our retirement to be there!--for when we do retire and many of us have a long way to go until then.

I don't care about promises on each of their websites,.. I want to hear how they plan to go about things in all areas. From pensions, organizing, our core industries,etc. not just saying bring back work in our core industries, but saying how and what approach they plan to take each one of the many topics in various areas. The arguing between Hoffa supportes and Gegare supporters is going to go on for the next year here. But I'm sure many Teamsters would like to know their planned approach or ideas to fix things.

Good point, Gegare has no plan at all. Hoffa is pushing the bill through congress that will help the central states as well as others. I will get the name of that bill it slips my mind right now. The bill will bail out multiple employer plans.