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[Lando]

Anyone that has been around for sometime knows what a drunk, obnoxious blow hard Fred Gegare is. He is the foundation for what is bad in our union. His entitlement type of attitude is what has hurt our great organization for many years. Hoffa was the best thing for the union according to him for many years and now his power grab will open wounds that he never had the courage himself to fix. He has sat on a perch for years talking about how great he(Fred) is when his contributions have been minimal at best. He asked Hoffa to hire his buddies, he did. He traveled on the union dime and set up conferences as a sham to vacation with his buddies and get out of the frozen tundra. He roamed freely than picked apart all of what he helped create.

We are coming into very challenging times and this guy thinks he has all the answers when he has been part of what he now calls a problem. His ego is so much in the way he wouldn't recognize struggle if his life depended on it. Take away his travel, huge salary, appointments, free meals and most of all the alcohol he consumes and I wonder what he would look like. We all have things we don't like about the current administration but you have to hand it to Hoffa in reaching out to all corners trying to get a concenses on what to do right. The GEB has some very good people on it and Hall is a great move for our future. Gegare wants to bang Hoffa and Hall because they stand in the way of him fulfilling his ego.

Hoffa and Hall were very much on opposite sides at one time and have come together to help our membership not themselves. That is leadership, to put down your personal differences and do what is right. When was the last time Fred did that? Brad Slawson is his support with Zuckerman? What a winning ticket that is.

It's amazing to have seen these individuals in "action" over the years and think that some people support them. I am sorry but these guys may think that they know what's best but positional power with an undertone of hypocrisy isn't what we need.

What a joke and most agree. When the votes are cast and the crush happens some of us will love to watch them sail into the sunset.

[DumpHoffaNow]

Lando, on August 17 2010 - 03:59 PM, said:

Anyone that has been around for sometime knows what a drunk, obnoxious blow hard Fred Gegare is. He is the foundation for what is bad in our union. His entitlement type of attitude is what has hurt our great organization for many years. Hoffa was the best thing for the union according to him for many years and now his power grab will open wounds that he never had the courage himself to fix. He has sat on a perch for years talking about how great he(Fred) is when his contributions have been minimal at best. He asked Hoffa to hire his buddies, he did. He traveled on the union dime and set up conferences as a sham to vacation with his buddies and get out of the frozen tundra. He roamed freely than picked apart all of what he helped create.

We are coming into very challenging times and this guy thinks he has all the answers when he has been part of what he now calls a problem. His ego is so much in the way he wouldn't recognize struggle if his life depended on it. Take away his travel, huge salary, appointments, free meals and most of all the alcohol he consumes and I wonder what he would look like. We all have things we don't like about the current administration but you have to hand it to Hoffa in reaching out to all corners trying to get a concenses on what to do right. The GEB has some very good people on it and Hall is a great move for our future. Gegare wants to bang Hoffa and Hall because they stand in the way of him fulfilling his ego.

Hoffa and Hall were very much on opposite sides at one time and have come together to help our membership not themselves. That is leadership, to put down your personal differences and do what is right. When was the last time Fred did that? Brad Slawson is his support with Zuckerman? What a winning ticket that is.

It's amazing to have seen these individuals in "action" over the years and think that some people support them. I am sorry but these guys may think that they know what's best but positional power with an undertone of hypocrisy isn't what we need.

What a joke and most agree. When the votes are cast and the crush happens some of us will love to watch them sail into the sunset.

I love it when you same guys start a new screen name and post new shit on here. Fact of the matter is you have it backwards. When Hoffa first ran he needed people like Gegare and had the utmost confidence in him even to appoint him director of the Dairy Conference and food processing division which is about 1/3 of the International Union. Gegare and many others in leadership at the IBT tried to change what Hoffa was destroying in the Union. Hoffa refused to listen so these folks decided to run against Hoffa for the sake of our Union. Keegel left saying our union was going in the wrong direction. Slawson and Perry also left. The International is broke and under Hoffa will get worse. Hoffa and Hall have fucked UPS and UPS Freight and as a result fucked our NMFA freight members by destroying the standards in the industry and fucked our active and retired members in the pension funds by not organizing in core industries to support them. If you want to criticize travel, meals, huge salary, appointments, etc look no further than Hoffa. Ask him about private jets to fly his family around or don't you want to talk about that kind of stuff. Gegare doesn't do that and opposes that kind of stuff particularly when the IBT is broke. So you have one major problem and it doesn't matter how many times you change your screen name. The MEMBERS do not support Hoffa and he will be done in 2012. Everytime you guys come on here we will expose another issue for you to try to defend. DumpHoffaNow

[ROLLTIDE1]

It's too bad you guys don't swap cell numbers and argue in private. Employers and tdu love this shit. Remember the early 1990's. I do.

[teamodude]

Lando, on August 17 2010 - 03:59 PM, said:

Anyone that has been around for sometime knows what a drunk, obnoxious blow hard Fred Gegare is. He is the foundation for what is bad in our union. His entitlement type of attitude is what has hurt our great organization for many years. Hoffa was the best thing for the union according to him for many years and now his power grab will open wounds that he never had the courage himself to fix. He has sat on a perch for years talking about how great he(Fred) is when his contributions have been minimal at best. He asked Hoffa to hire his buddies, he did. He traveled on the union dime and set up conferences as a sham to vacation with his buddies and get out of the frozen tundra. He roamed freely than picked apart all of what he helped create.

We are coming into very challenging times and this guy thinks he has all the answers when he has been part of what he now calls a problem. His ego is so much in the way he wouldn't recognize struggle if his life depended on it. Take away his travel, huge salary, appointments, free meals and most of all the alcohol he consumes and I wonder what he would look like. We all have things we don't like about the current administration but you have to hand it to Hoffa in reaching out to all corners trying to get a concenses on what to do right. The GEB has some very good people on it and Hall is a great move for our future. Gegare wants to bang Hoffa and Hall because they stand in the way of him fulfilling his ego.

Hoffa and Hall were very much on opposite sides at one time and have come together to help our membership not themselves. That is leadership, to put down your personal differences and do what is right. When was the last time Fred did that? Brad Slawson is his support with Zuckerman? What a winning ticket that is.

It's amazing to have seen these individuals in "action" over the years and think that some people support them. I am sorry but these guys may think that they know what's best but positional power with an undertone of hypocrisy isn't what we need.

What a joke and most agree. When the votes are cast and the crush happens some of us will love to watch them sail into the sunset.

Very well said.

[Lando]

DumpHoffaNow, on August 17 2010 - 05:11 PM, said:

I love it when you same guys start a new screen name and post new shit on here. Fact of the matter is you have it backwards. When Hoffa first ran he needed people like Gegare and had the utmost confidence in him even to appoint him director of the Dairy Conference and food processing division which is about 1/3 of the International Union. Gegare and many others in leadership at the IBT tried to change what Hoffa was destroying in the Union. Hoffa refused to listen so these folks decided to run against Hoffa for the sake of our Union. Keegel left saying our union was going in the wrong direction. Slawson and Perry also left. The International is broke and under Hoffa will get worse. Hoffa and Hall have fucked UPS and UPS Freight and as a result fucked our NMFA freight members by destroying the standards in the industry and fucked our active and retired members in the pension funds by not organizing in core industries to support them. If you want to criticize travel, meals, huge salary, appointments, etc look no further than Hoffa. Ask him about private jets to fly his family around or don't you want to talk about that kind of stuff. Gegare doesn't do that and opposes that kind of stuff particularly when the IBT is broke. So you have one major problem and it doesn't matter how many times you change your screen name. The MEMBERS do not support Hoffa and he will be done in 2012. Everytime you guys come on here we will expose another issue for you to try to defend. DumpHoffaNow

First of all I didn't start a new screen name, I have been following this site for years and just started today engaging. The Dairy Conference and the food processing do not make up 1/3 of the membership besides the point it was guys like Gegare that convinced Hoffa to run in the first place not the other way around. They needed someone that could beat Good ol boy Ron. Hoffa listened to those guys witch is half the reason we have the issues we do now. How did Hoffa and Hall fuck up UPS and UPS Freight? Oh, we actually organized them. I know, letting them out of the Central States? Hmmmmm, the members voted to get out because their pension was in shambles because of guys like Gegare and he approved it. Now he wants to criticize it. Convienent and easy to say it now. Gegare helped run the Central States into the ground losing billions, it's not all his fault however the others are not running for GP. Unfortunaly there wasn't much of a choice in the Central States because the members benefits were not what some had promised(Gegare). Wasn't the buy out supposed to help? Isn't that why Gegare voted in favor of it.

You are right Gegare doesn't fly in a private jet but he puts on a hell of a conference that's for sure. Do I even need to talk about that? Come on!!!!

A lot of the decisions some of you blame Hoffa for your guys were encouraging him to do. Kinda funny but some people are great at the blame game getting nothing done in the mean time. There are plenty of things to complain about in times like these and no one is immune from being part of the problem. Unless you listen to Gegare lol.

Anyone familiar with freight knows those problems have been running for a long time and that goes well back before Hoffa. Well maybe Farmer knows how to deal with that. Organizing in our core industries? Could have sworn Farmer is Keegels choice, once again Hoffa listening to someone around him. Oh I see let's blame Hoffa for that too?

[FUTDU]

Lando, on August 17 2010 - 06:10 PM, said:

First of all I didn't start a new screen name, I have been following this site for years and just started today engaging. The Dairy Conference and the food processing do not make up 1/3 of the membership besides the point it was guys like Gegare that convinced Hoffa to run in the first place not the other way around. They needed someone that could beat Good ol boy Ron. Hoffa listened to those guys witch is half the reason we have the issues we do now. How did Hoffa and Hall fuck up UPS and UPS Freight? Oh, we actually organized them. I know, letting them out of the Central States? Hmmmmm, the members voted to get out because their pension was in shambles because of guys like Gegare and he approved it. Now he wants to criticize it. Convienent and easy to say it now. Gegare helped run the Central States into the ground losing billions, it's not all his fault however the others are not running for GP. Unfortunaly there wasn't much of a choice in the Central States because the members benefits were not what some had promised(Gegare). Wasn't the buy out supposed to help? Isn't that why Gegare voted in favor of it.

You are right Gegare doesn't fly in a private jet but he puts on a hell of a conference that's for sure. Do I even need to talk about that? Come on!!!!

A lot of the decisions some of you blame Hoffa for your guys were encouraging him to do. Kinda funny but some people are great at the blame game getting nothing done in the mean time. There are plenty of things to complain about in times like these and no one is immune from being part of the problem. Unless you listen to Gegare lol.

Anyone familiar with freight knows those problems have been running for a long time and that goes well back before Hoffa. Well maybe Farmer knows how to deal with that. Organizing in our core industries? Could have sworn Farmer is Keegels choice, once again Hoffa listening to someone around him. Oh I see let's blame Hoffa for that too?

There is no way the members on the West Coast vote for Fred. His history with the Central States Pension fund says it all! That fund was going down the toilet like a turd while our economy was booming! The West Coast Tamsters kike their pension alot for than they like Freddy.

[no mas BS!!!]

Standing up against the members is a joke?? I swear, you clowns just love to hear yourselves talk, just like you love to read the bullshit you post! I've had it with hearing about how great Hoffa is... I was once a Hoffa supporter but he fucked that off when he decided to appoint rather than let the majority speak... The GEB is obviously not good for them to sit back and watch Hoffa deplete the funds of our union, and now dip into our out of work benefits so he can put the squeeze on the membership to fix the international finances! The only joke are you clowns supporting everything that Hoffa has become.. A FUCKING NIGHTMARE!!!

[lesgroucho1]

FUTDU, on August 17 2010 - 07:20 PM, said:

There is no way the members on the West Coast vote for Fred. His history with the Central States Pension fund says it all! That fund was going down the toilet like a turd while our economy was booming! The West Coast Tamsters kike their pension alot for than they like Freddy.

Central States Pension Fund and your Western States Pension are completely two different Funds and their comparisons of structure are worlds apart.

For every action, there's a re-action. CSPF over previous decades had made numerous changes that were not most likely in the best interest of their members, as it has been Nyhan and his team to work with the Employer Trustees and the Union Trustees to stop the bleed over the last decade. For everyone to point the finger at Gegare for the troubles at CSPF, there are four fingers pointing back at yourself for not being fully informed on the issues of the Fund.

Brother Gegare assumed a role of leadership as a Trustee at CSPF because that is his Fund, a Fund that he and thousands of other Brothers and Sisters have a invested interest in. Many told Brother Gegare he was assuming a role of doomed failure, as the ship was already taking on water and was sinking, but the work of Nyhan and the Trustees are keeping that ship afloat and continue to make sound decisions to run the Fund with the tools given them. CSPF is my Fund, and I for one am in support of the work that continues to be accomplished by the Fund. The Fund needs better support by the IBT leadership than what it has seen in the past 5 years. Local Unions need the leadership of the IBT, its Division Leaders to step up to these multi billion dollar employers that spend millons of dollars to destory a memberships retirement sercurity by exiting the Fund at whatever costs.

[SHIFTALKER]

Gegare's blame game would play a lot better if he wasn't guilty of letting his own employers exit Central States so they could undercut the bids of Teamster companies in Illinois that provide good pensions. NOW THAT'S LEADERSHIP!

Gegare is a fake, a fraud and a phony who harms his brother Teamsters. All he cares about is himself. Look at his record, everything he touches turns to shit.

He has put together one hell of a slate though. Lucio Reyes, Brad Slawson, Fred Zuckerman. Now I hear Jerry Connor has signed on. Gegare should really think about getting people on his slate who members actually like!

[Latina]

I have met Mr. Gegare and he was funny and loud and certainly commanded everyone's attention. But lucio used to tell us he was a racist and called lucio funny names. Then all of a sudden he was lucio's best friend. I know he was involved in the Diamond Walnut settlement and my sisters and brothers there are not happy. It is a terrible contract, with basically just a dues deduction clause and not much else. I have to questions his decision making and his choice of people to associate with if he is running with lucio. We are getting rid of lucio and Mr. Gegare should also. I do remember that the first time I met him he said he was very close to Mr. Hoffa and assisted him in all of his decisions. I guess Mr. Gegare will tell us about those days as I know he is an honest man.

[Lando]

no mas BS!!!, on August 17 2010 - 07:56 PM, said:

Standing up against the members is a joke?? I swear, you clowns just love to hear yourselves talk, just like you love to read the bullshit you post! I've had it with hearing about how great Hoffa is... I was once a Hoffa supporter but he fucked that off when he decided to appoint rather than let the majority speak... The GEB is obviously not good for them to sit back and watch Hoffa deplete the funds of our union, and now dip into our out of work benefits so he can put the squeeze on the membership to fix the international finances! The only joke are you clowns supporting everything that Hoffa has become.. A FUCKING NIGHTMARE!!!

Clowns? Well as I said there is a lot of blame to go around and Hoffa has made some questionable decisions himself. Most of his decisions have been because guys like Gegare wanted things done a certain way. There are many examples of that. Some of us don't support EVERYTHING Hoffa had done but we recognize that others have participated in those decisions and now want to take shots at what didn't work out.

This is the point to him running as a joke because he is very much what HE(Fred) calls the problem now. Hoffa has become more progressive with time and that's a fact. He was far more conservative when he first ran for office. Everyone wants him to do what is good for them and Hoffa gave Gegare what he wanted for the most part. That wasn't good enough for Gegare so now he wants to throw everyone under the bus for his future. Reading his lame ass website he says he will disclose things in the future about insider knowledge? Wow!!! Sounds like a self interested plan that will damage our organization. It will be interesting that's for sure.

Someone on this post said that Gegare always said how tight he was with Hoffa. A lot of people heard that over the years as he bragged about how much Hoffa listened to him and did what he asked. Now he turns on him! Maybe Hoffa stopped listening to his suggestions that didn't work out very well. Gegare got damn near everything he wanted and it's not good enough. Very simple a power grab at an opportune time. He is a very poor choice for GP.

[Lando]

Another point I would like to add......... Just because some of these guys hold a position doesn't make them right. Looking more at the great web site Gegare put together what does he plan on doing? Almost that entire site is dedicated to negativity about Hoffa. The one thing you can't blame Hoffa for is the decline in our membership in the last 10 years. We have been more stable in the last 10 then at any other time since the 70s. Amazing that guys like Gegare "who have been around forever" and know what's best sat and watched our membership decline by almost a million members. Before you say it I will, he wasn't GP! Well when you look at his record everything around him shrunk, Locals, Joint Councils, conferences, divisions and pension funds. Wait, except his salary, titles and positions he has held.

Don't get me wrong I have no problem with anyones pay in our organization. Good for them and if your members like you it doesn't matter for the most part they make the call. The thing is this guy has turned on the very guy that helped him. Rode those coat tails and then wham stick him in the back. Typical and sad but when you look into it it has to make you wonder. This stuff will become very obvious as time goes on and the election gears up. Gegare is not the answer to fixing what is wrong and he lives in huge glass house.

Dump said he will point out things for "us" to defend. Be careful because some of "us" know how things really worked and A LOT of people will be dumping on Gegare.

[bitchslaptherats]

What is your bitch with Jerry Connors now? He is 2nd generation Teamster, his father was a UPS Driver (710) for 31 years!!!

Gegare stood up to Hoffa with Waste Management to fight against letting those members out of Central States pension. James P(hillip, a.k.a. utz) Hoffa, and Terry Hancock f*&ked those guys at local 200 not Gegare.

SHIFTALKER, on August 18 2010 - 03:55 AM, said:

Gegare's blame game would play a lot better if he wasn't guilty of letting his own employers exit Central States so they could undercut the bids of Teamster companies in Illinois that provide good pensions. NOW THAT'S LEADERSHIP!

Gegare is a fake, a fraud and a phony who harms his brother Teamsters. All he cares about is himself. Look at his record, everything he touches turns to shit.

He has put together one hell of a slate though. Lucio Reyes, Brad Slawson, Fred Zuckerman. Now I hear Jerry Connor has signed on. Gegare should really think about getting people on his slate who members actually like!

[SHIFTALKER]

bitchslaptherats, on August 18 2010 - 06:03 PM, said:

What is your bitch with Jerry Connors now? He is 2nd generation Teamster, his father was a UPS Driver (710) for 31 years!!!

Gegare stood up to Hoffa with Waste Management to fight against letting those members out of Central States pension. James P(hillip, a.k.a. utz) Hoffa, and Terry Hancock f*&ked those guys at local 200 not Gegare.

I don't understand your logic. You want me to like Connors because his dad was a good Teamster? If I'm not mistaken our General President's father was the greatest Teamster of them all, but that doesn't seem to matter when you are talking about him, right? You are the fucking putz.

Don't try to bullshit me with the Waste Management lie. Gegare fucked that up so bad it's not even funny. He tried to go it alone instead of calling on the people who understood the industry until it was too late. he sold those guys down the river and if it wasn't for Terry that shop would be full of scabs right now, and that is the truth. The Waste Management strike is just another example of something Gegare touches that turns to shit, like the Central States Pension Fund.

It is something that everybody on his slate has in common. Zuckerman has fucked up carhaul. Slawson fucked up DHL and Northwest. Lucio basically organized the scabs at Diamond Walnut for shit pay. WHAT A TEAM!

[DumpHoffaNow]

SHIFTALKER, on August 19 2010 - 05:05 AM, said:

I don't understand your logic. You want me to like Connors because his dad was a good Teamster? If I'm not mistaken our General President's father was the greatest Teamster of them all, but that doesn't seem to matter when you are talking about him, right? You are the fucking putz.

Don't try to bullshit me with the Waste Management lie. Gegare fucked that up so bad it's not even funny. He tried to go it alone instead of calling on the people who understood the industry until it was too late. he sold those guys down the river and if it wasn't for Terry that shop would be full of scabs right now, and that is the truth. The Waste Management strike is just another example of something Gegare touches that turns to shit, like the Central States Pension Fund.

It is something that everybody on his slate has in common. Zuckerman has fucked up carhaul. Slawson fucked up DHL and Northwest. Lucio basically organized the scabs at Diamond Walnut for shit pay. WHAT A TEAM!

Ken Hall, Randy Cammack, and Ken Wood really fucked up UPS. Tyson Johnson and Gordon Sweeton really fucked up freight. Ken Hall and Brian Buhle really fucked up UPS Freight. Bill Hamilton fucked up the movies in 107. Ken Hall and Hoffa fucked up Central States for the rest of the active participants and the retirees. And Hoffa has divided and fucked up the IBT. What a Team!

[DirtyDairy]

DumpHoffaNow, on August 19 2010 - 11:08 AM, said:

Ken Hall, Randy Cammack, and Ken Wood really fucked up UPS. Tyson Johnson and Gordon Sweeton really fucked up freight. Ken Hall and Brian Buhle really fucked up UPS Freight. Bill Hamilton fucked up the movies in 107. Ken Hall and Hoffa fucked up Central States for the rest of the active participants and the retirees. And Hoffa has divided and fucked up the IBT. What a Team!

So did Gegare really have nothing to do with Central States? That's all somebody elses fault? And if UPS Freight is so screwed up why are they so happy being Teamsters?

So the question is did Slawson and his attorney girlfriend screw over DHL Teamsters or not?

You must be really mad that nobody jumped on the Gegare ticket except that blowhard Conner with his 400 member local. Who's next Sandy Pope? Oh that's right she turned him down.

And remember it was Gegare that called Lucio a "grape picker" and "Ricky Ricardo".

[DumpHoffaNow]

DirtyDairy, on August 19 2010 - 12:26 PM, said:

So did Gegare really have nothing to do with Central States? That's all somebody elses fault? And if UPS Freight is so screwed up why are they so happy being Teamsters?

So the question is did Slawson and his attorney girlfriend screw over DHL Teamsters or not?

You must be really mad that nobody jumped on the Gegare ticket except that blowhard Conner with his 400 member local. Who's next Sandy Pope? Oh that's right she turned him down.

And remember it was Gegare that called Lucio a "grape picker" and "Ricky Ricardo".

Yeah - so hold on to that thought when every UPS Freight member and every NMFA freight member votes against your boy Hoffa. If you think Hoffa gets votes from these groups you are smoking crack. And the problem with Central States and all Teamster pension funds is Hoffa has not supported them. The funds don't organize and put members in the funds the IBT does stupid. And the IBT hasn't organized anyone and put them in the Teamster pension funds. Or maybe you don't know how it works.

[yougottabekiddin]

DumpHoffaNow, on August 19 2010 - 03:53 PM, said:

Yeah - so hold on to that thought when every UPS Freight member and every NMFA freight member votes against your boy Hoffa. If you think Hoffa gets votes from these groups you are smoking crack. And the problem with Central States and all Teamster pension funds is Hoffa has not supported them. The funds don't organize and put members in the funds the IBT does stupid. And the IBT hasn't organized anyone and put them in the Teamster pension funds. Or maybe you don't know how it works.

HAHAHAAA!!! GEGARE has let companies from his own LOCAL out of pension funds!!!! And you call someone ELSE stupid lol? You are a fucking moron, who is STUDYING to become stupid lol. If thats how you plan on getting Gegare elected you have a worse chance than he did already lol.

[DumpHoffaNow]

yougottabekiddin, on August 19 2010 - 04:05 PM, said:

HAHAHAAA!!! GEGARE has let companies from his own LOCAL out of pension funds!!!! And you call someone ELSE stupid lol? You are a fucking moron, who is STUDYING to become stupid lol. If thats how you plan on getting Gegare elected you have a worse chance than he did already lol.

Thats a great post Bill. Why don't you deal with the issue and answer the question why is it the IBT organizing department doesn't organize in core industries and negotiate contracts which maintain standards in those industries and put those members in Teamster pension funds to support the funds and all the participants in those funds? I know that's a long question and pretty hard for you to understand but that is what our UNION was founded on. I'd like to hear your answer on that without you getting sidetracked on bullshit.

[Lando]

DumpHoffaNow, on August 19 2010 - 04:12 PM, said:

Thats a great post Bill. Why don't you deal with the issue and answer the question why is it the IBT organizing department doesn't organize in core industries and negotiate contracts which maintain standards in those industries and put those members in Teamster pension funds to support the funds and all the participants in those funds? I know that's a long question and pretty hard for you to understand but that is what our UNION was founded on. I'd like to hear your answer on that without you getting sidetracked on bullshit.

I will answer that question and I have been waiting for you to ask it. This is exactly my point, Jeff Farmer!! He wouldn't know our core industry if it ran him over. He thinks school buses and public sector are because he comes from SEIU. OH YEAH he is Keegels guy!! Oh oh and Gegare was a huge supporter of Farmer, until he decided to run lol. This is what I was saying when I told you that Hoffa listened to the people around him and now they take shots at him for doing what they asked. Talking shit about the IBT Organizing Department when Gagare and Company love Farmer is just as hypocritical as they are. I said we can point to some decisions Hoffa made as bad but you need to look at who influenced it. Bullseye!! Maybe they knew all along and it was a mass conspiracy to jump ship after purposely shooting holes in the bow.

By the way the Organizing Department doesn't negotiate the contracts(not to defend them) but it's a fact. So let's talk about organizing our core industries. Gegares website has a plan and it is a disgrace to organizing, no clue at all. Is Gegare and Slawson taking a position that they don't like Farmer? Tough question for them to answer when you know what happened and who supported who. Didn't Farmer come out of 120? I wonder how many project organizers were paid to work in 120 and I wonder how many they organized. Gee, I wonder how many projects Farmer funded for Gegare and Slawson? Maybe these questions are too long for you to follow and answer. Be careful at what you say because some of us know the real story and now that Gegare thinks he can be GP this stuff will float to the top.

It is outlandish for him to say what he is saying about what he created. And Hoffa wouldn't listen? He would get my vote if he actually admitted to what he influenced and took responsibility for it. No, he will blame it all on Hoffa.

So this poses a question. What will Hoffa do with Farmer? Would Gegare get rid of Farmer?

As much as some don't like Farmer and company they have put up some numbers. Should be much better but maybe Gegare knows how to organize better. With Gegare being a huge Farmer supporter and now talking shit about the Organizing Department it's a bit confusing for some of us to understand. I know, if he was in charge it would be different(sarcasm) Maybe Gagare should explain on his website HOW he plans on changing the Organizing. Brag about HIS successful organizing seeing that he is "one of the most powerful people in the teamsters" according to him.

Now Dump you ignored my posts once i responded to your twisted version of the truth. Just wondering if you can answer all these questions. Before you do please go back and read my posts because I may have pointed out the answer to your future questions and we are anticipating a ton of others.