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[dockman]

Farley, on August 28 2010 - 03:21 PM, said:

wrong again docky....Venezuela's economic problems were brought about by a severe drought caused by capitalistic climate change from the industrial nations.

http://www.upi.com/T...89211275065651/

do you even read what you post? you asked "tell me what is devastating the american economy"...and I gave you the answer.....you need to check you're meds ...and you're wrong socialism is destroying venezuela global warming what a crock of shit

http://www.latinbusi...le.aspx?id=4053

[Farley]

docky, unfortunately your hatred has robbed you of any sense of balance, humor and the ability to think objectively....if you could not guess the article was posted as a lure to see if I could get a fish to bite, and all I caught was a sucker. In case you had not noticed the entire world is in the financial doldrums, largely because of the banksters and wall street robbers in America. The entire government of Iceland went broke relying on capitalism, American style, as with Greece....................This worldwide damage did not come from Venezuela....it came from Goldman Sachs, AIG, etc, and our corporaTE SOCIALISM WE CALL "capitalism" one of the exceptions is the dictatorial facism practiced in China with child and slave labor....you know the very thing major capitalists like Wal-Mart lust over......docky you really need to grow up and learn to think. you make yourself look like a fool when you let fools think for you.

people are not property and corporations are not people.

[dockman]

Farley, on August 29 2010 - 07:11 AM, said:

docky, unfortunately your hatred has robbed you of any sense of balance, humor and the ability to think objectively....if you could not guess the article was posted as a lure to see if I could get a fish to bite, and all I caught was a sucker. In case you had not noticed the entire world is in the financial doldrums, largely because of the banksters and wall street robbers in America. The entire government of Iceland went broke relying on capitalism, American style, as with Greece....................This worldwide damage did not come from Venezuela....it came from Goldman Sachs, AIG, etc, and our corporaTE SOCIALISM WE CALL "capitalism" one of the exceptions is the dictatorial facism practiced in China with child and slave labor....you know the very thing major capitalists like Wal-Mart lust over......docky you really need to grow up and learn to think. you make yourself look like a fool when you let fools think for you.

people are not property and corporations are not people.

you keep pushing socialism farley and socialism is a failure

greece is socialist
http://economie.mold...206502-eng.html

and quit making shit up to cover your mistakes... I can't count how many times you've gotten mixed up and forgot what you said or got people mixed up with who you were trying to respond to

[Farley]

docky, Greece has been economically ravaged by capitalist corruption and greed....and again, you fail to acknowledge the part of the banksters and Wall Street in the world wide economic crisis. docky it is capitalism that is failing

http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/43293

[dockman]

socialism didn't work in greece or venezuela

and communism is failure as well.... look what's going on cuba ...... haz and farley brace yourselves

http://www2.tbo.com/...ble/news-metro/

yup, you can't get the truth from your leftists websites there boys

[Farley]

docky it is unfortunate that you see everything in black and white...and don't realize that communism has never been tried. What you call "communism" is actually a totalitarian dictatorship, similar to the facist regimes of the 30's and 40's and you also neglect to see that democratic socialism is quite successful in western europe. and that capitalism "American Style" has been responsible for the worldwide economic troubles, and is currently destroying democracy in America...you cannot have an oligarchy and democracy coexist. I hope the Koch brothers treat you nice for your efforts in establishing them as the financial and political royalty in America, because it is useful idiots like yourself that are complicit in our loss of freedom.

[egghead]

Farley, on August 31 2010 - 08:22 AM, said:

docky it is unfortunate that you see everything in black and white...and don't realize that communism has never been tried. What you call "communism" is actually a totalitarian dictatorship, similar to the facist regimes of the 30's and 40's and you also neglect to see that democratic socialism is quite successful in western europe. and that capitalism "American Style" has been responsible for the worldwide economic troubles, and is currently destroying democracy in America...you cannot have an oligarchy and democracy coexist. I hope the Koch brothers treat you nice for your efforts in establishing them as the financial and political royalty in America, because it is useful idiots like yourself that are complicit in our loss of freedom.

Social Democracy is political not economic as is Democratic Socialist (though they believe in Socialist economy) and Stalinist communism

Socialism is the economic model Farley you dimwit--and giving Socialism a Democratic name wont change the out come of that economic model--Socialism does not work period crap even the Social democrats have admitted that

You can't have a communist economy without a successful Socialist economy (according to Marx)--So Farley--quit confusing politics with economies--it makes you look really really confused

Now we have seen how the so called Democratic Socialist model worked in Europe (failed) which led to Social democrats (though these governments failed miserably to increase employment) and the Social Democrats are backing away from cradle to grave entitlements and loosening the regulations that were strangling their economies--In Fact the Europeans are turning to American style Capitalism after watching the nightmare called Obamanomics--its starting to work Farley my boy

Bottom line Farley--want to improve the economy--You have to create growth in the private sector not grow the public sector

[HAZ]

I buy Citgo products, as often as possible!, performs well in cycles, scooter, and truck! BP?, not an option!

[Farley]

eggy. it is almost humorous to observe the awkward mental contortions you engage in to make a pointless point. You may cling to the fantasy of a market laissex-faire economy run by unadulterated capitalist principles, but that merely shows your lack of real world experience or exposure. eggy..it is something that Reagan and his supply siders worshiped, and what has brought the world to the brink of economic disaster. Capitalism and social democracy can co-exist nicely, if fact they need each other to flourish. Unregulated capitalism results in oligarchy and the death of democracy. It was FDR and his economic brain trust that had it correct, not Reagan and his University of Chicago ideologs whose supply side displayed what high order economic failure is. To compare Venezuela's current economic woes to the disaster caused by capitalism American style is the height of folly.................by the way, you enrolled your daughter in a Northwest University?? didn't you realize that Northwest Universities are know for their "liberal" graduates and use of a little BC Bud?

[egghead]

Partner--you wouldn't believe how conservative college campuses have gotten since we went to school--even Berkley is just a shell of it's former social upheaval--

However kids have to grow up--learn the world--gain their own social identity--and make their own decisions--Don't have to worry to much about her--Born in England grew up on the East Coast and went to High School in California --If she can survive that I have little to worry about the Jesuit University she chose to get her degree

talk to you when I get back

[Farley]

remember eggy. I was a jesuit seminarian and attended a jesuit high school, and two jesuit universities...and I am hardly a conservative.

[dockman]

here's what happens in a socialist country ...the government steals your property

http://news.yahoo.co...unger_striker_6

[dockman]

socialism is worthless Chavez steals farm land and nationalizes everything he can get his hands on and the people suffer

http://europeancouri...as-food-policy/

socialism ain't working out in Venezuela .....farley

[Farley]

dockman, let me begin by apologizing for my past tone. I have no idea who you are or what you have been exposed to, and I have no business trying to demean your efforts, whether I agree with them or not. That is certainly no way to carry on any civil discourse. I have supplied an article from the Boston Globe regarding an obscure economist named Minsky. I should have put that in the past tense since Minsky is no longer obscure, although he is dead, and his work clearly in now main stream. Try to read the article (5 pages) with an open mind.

http://www.boston.co...pitalism_fails/

[stark]

Let's see we don't want socialism, i.e. cut all federal funding for, schools, Social Security, Medicare, ect. and turn all that money over to Wall Street so they won't have to outright steal it. Or at least that's the best that the Republicans can come up with.

[HAZ]

stark, think you forgot Interstate Highway, maintenance, and the military! These GOPers, are bi-products of goldwater, and ronnie raygun, in reality, nothing more than anarchist! But, oh how they love Jesus!

[stark]

Wonder if all these folks wanting to do away with Social Security and Medicare have the funds to pay for thier parents medical bills and upkeep and I'm sure they looking forward to the day that their elderly parents/parent have to come live with them...Of course, that isn't "supposed" to happen according to conservativess if Social Security is turned over to Wall Street to manage (privatized) it will be perfectly safe...yeah right.

[dockman]

stark , the government is doing a fine job managing medicare and social security

http://www.businessi...fix-them-2010-3

and the post office is kicking the shit out of UPS yeah right

haz,I'm a truck driver and 95% of the road construction sites I pass by daily is contracted out to private construction companies .. the only government work on the roads I see is filling pot holes and picking up road gators (blown tires)

[Farley]

funny thing is that if Reagan was running today, be would be slaughtered by the tea baggers as being a "marxist" for instance:
Reagan granted millions of undocumented people "AMNESTY"
Reagan raised taxes 11 times
Under Reagan the to tax rate was around 50% ..now there are folks loaded their pants over a return to a 39% tax rate from the current 36% for the very top earners, with the tax cuts remaining in place for the rest of us
Reagan traded arms for hostages with known terrorists
Reagan wanted nuclear disarmerment
Reagan cut and ran after our troops were attacked in Lebenon
Reagan couldn't get a center right democratic nomination, much less a goBPer endorsement.

Reagan the "socialist" = Chavez

[dockman]

Farley, on September 03 2010 - 02:50 PM, said:

funny thing is that if Reagan was running today, be would be slaughtered by the tea baggers as being a "marxist" for instance:
Reagan granted millions of undocumented people "AMNESTY"
Reagan raised taxes 11 times
Under Reagan the to tax rate was around 50% ..now there are folks loaded their pants over a return to a 39% tax rate from the current 36% for the very top earners, with the tax cuts remaining in place for the rest of us
Reagan traded arms for hostages with known terrorists
Reagan wanted nuclear disarmerment
Reagan cut and ran after our troops were attacked in Lebenon
Reagan couldn't get a center right democratic nomination, much less a goBPer endorsement.

Reagan the "socialist" = Chavez

so now he's your hero ?