21 replies to this topic

[jimbo]

Where are all those on this web site who were pushing Obamacare as the greatest thing since peanut butter?



http://www.newsmax.c...07/26/id/365640

[Farley]

almost right jimbo, however many do not like the healthcare bill because it rewards corporations and does not go far enough. most Americans want universal comprehensive single payer health care (you know socialism)

http://www.healthcar...r-single-payer/

[jimbo]

Farley, on July 27 2010 - 07:56 AM, said:

almost right jimbo, however many do not like the healthcare bill because it rewards corporations and does not go far enough. most Americans want universal comprehensive single payer health care (you know socialism)

http://www.healthcar...r-single-payer/

Wrong Farley! Americans don't like Obama care because it is everything but "healthcare" , WTF has healthcare got to do with reporting on an IRS 1099 form? This is just more tax and spend legislation from the guy who hates this country and it's people.

http://beforeitsnews..._Obamacare.html


http://beforeitsnews...away_Train.html

[Farley]

like I said jimbo, you are about half right.....but...there is nothing called "Obamacare"......the health care bill did really address the problem and is designed to enrich the already bloated private insurance companies...............and what people really wanted was UNIVERSAL COMPREHENSIVE SINGLE PAYER health care, namely medicare for ALL. so jimbo, much of the unrest over the healthcare is because it was not enough of a bill thanks to the tea bagger crazies, corporate goBPers, and the democrats spinelessness in standing up to the reichwing noise machine.

[jimbo]

Farley, on July 28 2010 - 08:20 AM, said:

like I said jimbo, you are about half right.....but...there is nothing called "Obamacare"......the health care bill did really address the problem and is designed to enrich the already bloated private insurance companies...............and what people really wanted was UNIVERSAL COMPREHENSIVE SINGLE PAYER health care, namely medicare for ALL. so jimbo, much of the unrest over the healthcare is because it was not enough of a bill thanks to the tea bagger crazies, corporate goBPers, and the democrats spinelessness in standing up to the reichwing noise machine.

Nope! can't lie your way out of this one. That, 58% are not all "tea baggers." About half of those are democrats who voted for bubba and are now sorry for it. Only in Farley's world can a dramatic increase in the IRS budget be related to health care. Yep!, I called it right, even a tax on gold bullion is in Obamacare,

http://blogs.dailyma.../archives/17995

Like I say everything is there except what we know as "healthcare". like I say Obamacare is just another tax and spend scam that which fools gullible yokels like you Farley.

[dockman]

obamacare is the largest tax increase for the middle class ever

[Farley]

docky> why lie? the largest tax increase on the middle class ever was instituted by Ronald Reagan and it was a social security tax to insure that the system would be healthy forever, then a series of goBPer administrations (including psuedo goBPe3r Clinton) robbed the kitty. Remember when you made fun of Al Gore for talking about puttin g the Social Security surplus in a "lock box" and then CHENEY/bush promptly gave the surplus away to his rich cronies. But you knew this, didn't you docky?

[dockman]

Farley, on July 28 2010 - 05:36 PM, said:

docky> why lie? the largest tax increase on the middle class ever was instituted by Ronald Reagan and it was a social security tax to insure that the system would be healthy forever, then a series of goBPer administrations (including psuedo goBPe3r Clinton) robbed the kitty. Remember when you made fun of Al Gore for talking about puttin g the Social Security surplus in a "lock box" and then CHENEY/bush promptly gave the surplus away to his rich cronies. But you knew this, didn't you docky?

really ?

http://www.unionlead...6c-824d6396a117

http://www.washingto...x-increase.html

$3.9 billion on the backs of the middle class

don't recall commenting on al gore and the "lock box " ...quit making shit up

[Farley]

the majority of Americans would pay higher taxes to insure that all Americans have health care!
and the "Lock Box" is not made up "shit" and is very pertinent tot he conversation since Reagan instituted the largest tax increase on American workers and it was a social security tax to insure the program's viability, and then Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton, CHENEY/bush, and Old Bama all robbed the people's piggy bank. So docky, you are again WRONG!

http://www.cbsnews.c...731-503544.html

[jimbo]

Here is a "simplified" chart of Obamacare you can download for your very own.

http://beforeitsnews...care_Chart.html

[xg22]

THE PCIP PROGRAM


Until now, plans could refuse to accept anyone because of a pre-existing health condition, or they could limit benefits for that condition.

Ask a few people what ((the PPACA)) means to them and their families, they don't know much more than 26 year olds are covered under their parents plan and pre-existing conditions cannot be excluded by insurers.

• If a person
  
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  • has a pre-existing condition
    
  • cannot get insurance at all or at a non-exhorbitant price because of it
    
  • has not been insured for a least six months
    
  • and is a US citizen or legal immigrant

• THEN THEY ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THE PCIP PROGRAM

http://www.healthcar...plan/index.html


Starting in 2014, these protections will be extended to Americans of all ages.

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jimbo, on July 26 2010 - 04:55 PM, said:

Where are all those on this web site who were pushing Obamacare as the greatest thing since peanut butter?



http://www.newsmax.c...07/26/id/365640

I would say it's not the greatest plan but it's as good as it could get under Corporate Domination..



A woman who felt President Obama had let the middle class down has changed her mind


'Obamacare' to the rescue for Breast Cancer Patient




I want to apologize to President Obama. But first, some background.

I found out three weeks ago I have cancer. It's part of President Obama's healthcare plan, one of the things that has already kicked in, and it guarantees access to insurance for U.S. citizens with preexisting conditions who have been uninsured for at least six months.

http://www.latimes.c...0,6794828.story



It's great to hear about the positive benefits of "Obamacare, or the first step to universal health care coverage"!

But there are more immediate benefits, such as;
1. Insurance companies cannot drop coverage when the policy holder gets sick,
2. Required wellness exams
3. Requiring insurance companies to include coverage of children up to 26 years of age
4. Changes to the Medicare Part D donut hole that will save seniors on Medicare money.
5. Requiring insurance companies to apply for and justify increases in insurance policy premiums.
6. Creation of high risk pools that will allow Americans with pre-existing conditions to acquire insurance at reasonable rates
7. The Health care reform act establishes minimum coverages that must be included by insurance companies.

There are 24 months to go until full implementation. During this period, Republicans will try to repeal the law and replace it with nothing.


More than 2.65 million Medicare recipients have saved more than $1.5 billion on their prescriptions this year, a $569-per-person average, while premiums have remained stable, the government plans to announce today.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington ... 51663580/1

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Let's play a game. I'll describe a health-care bill to you. Then you tell me if I'm describing President Obama's Affordable Care Act or the budget released this week by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.).


The bill works like this: The federal government subsidizes Americans to participate in health insurance markets known as "exchanges." Inside these exchanges, insurers can't discriminate based on pre-existing conditions. Individuals can choose to go without insurance, but if they do so, they pay a penalty. To keep premium costs down, the government ties the size of the subsidy to the second-least-expensive plan in the market -- a process known as "competitive bidding," which encourages consumers to choose cheaper plans.

This is, of course, a trick question. That paragraph describes both the Affordable Care Act and Ryan's proposed Medicare reforms. The insurance markets in both plans are essentially identical. And for good reason.[/indent]
In a nutshell, what Democrats have done for Americans under age 65 is what Paul Ryan wants to do only for those over age 65. (Arguably, Ryan's plan does more by continuing to offer traditional Medicare as a "public option.") But as Klein also emphasizes:


And the same Republicans who denounce Obamacare for forcing uninsured Americans to buy a product from private providers would do the same for Medicare and Social Security alike. As for Paul Ryan and his proposed insurance mandate for the future elderly, House Speaker John Boehner acknowledged last year:
[indent]"It transforms Medicare into a plan that's very similar to the President's own health care bill."[/indent]

Sadly, the ironies wouldn't end there. If the House GOP budget became law, don't expect Republicans to take Ryancare to the Supreme Court.

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[HAZ]

Also..the queens and kings of entitlements...THREE MONTHS, ANNUAL VACATIONS!

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No additional comment needed.


U.S. Sen. Scott Brown has repeatedly spoken out against President Obama's health care law, yet is using a portion of it to provide insurance for his adult daughter.



The Massachusetts Republican told the Boston Globe that "of course" he uses a provision of the law that allows parents to keep their children on family insurance plans up to age 26. His daughter, Ayla, is 23.

Brown, who won his seat by campaigning against the law, says he still thinks it should be repealed.


Democrats, including the campaign of his chief rival Elizabeth Warren, quickly labeled Brown a hypocrite, saying he's trying to prevent other parents from providing insurance for their children even as he takes advantage of the benefit.


Brown has voted three times to repeal the law.

http://traffic.outbr...ion=56496&idx=3

[Farley]

Americans favor "Obamacare" components by a large margin.........just shows the power of the propaganda from the right wing media opposing an amorphous concept without specifics.........but even the all out assault by rightwing media cannot overcome specifics when people can apply a critical objective examination.......................

http://doubledippoli...rts-oppose-law/

[egghead]

favor components
Boy is that reaching for toadstools


Wonder how many of those COMPONENTS they will favor once corporations start dropping coverage


PS Farley-the survey questions are aspirational not based on the health care bill or reality (the admin costs are a guess-no one is signing up for preexisting conditions because it isn't affordable-the costs estimates are rising-the poor already have access at a lower cost-and the health care bill forces everyone to buy insurance--the folks that will be crushed are the middle class as usual)

• Insurance companies should spend more money on health care than on administrative costs.
  
• People should not be denied health insurance because of an illness.
  
• The government should lower health care costs to participants.
  
• The government should help lower class people obtain health care.
  
• Everyone should have access to health care.
  
• The government should not force people to buy health insurance

and the government cost estimates are rising faster than the flood that hit good old Noah--

[Farley]

eggy are you really so silly, or do you work at it???? of course people want their kids to be covered when they are in school, people don't want to lose their coverage when they get sick...and people want all Americans to be accountable.....are you so propagandized that you actually fail to understand?.....while I personally oppose "old Bomber-care" it is because it pays homage to the vile "for profit" health care industry.....but is a huge improvement over doing NOTHING.......eh eggy?

[egghead]

Did you read your own link batman--"favor "Obamacare" components by a large margin" The majority of the aspirational components listed in your link are not being achieved by this bill Farley-

"Better than nothing"----typical refrain from someone who doesn't have a clue on the impact of this bill in its entirety and thinks Big Government fixed an issue because some components are "popular"----but hey when you spend someone else's money to feel like your doing good it's isn't hard to understand why you feel so sanctimonious-C'mon Farley even the Dems are running away from this disaster of a bill-even those great aspirational components in your link


Read your own links Farley and perhaps you wouldn't look so foo foo

and PS Farley--"kids to be covered when they are in school" "lose their coverage when they get sick" "Americans to be accountable" Do you even have a clue what is in the new health care bill--or are you like Nancy Pelosi