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[Farley]

[jimbo]

I don't see why Bernake is at such a lose for words. He just took our money and gave it to whoever he choose. Such is the fate of a country that violates it's own Constitution and allows a private corporation (that's what the "Federal" Reserve is) to coin and print it's money instead of Congress. We can expect more of the same.

Though , I think it's great, Rep. Alan Grayson stands up to Bernake, unless our "leaders" grow a spine and follow through with something meaningful, the whole thing is pointless.

[stark]

This is exactly why I tell people you gotta watch C-span if you want to know anything about what's going on in this country! None of the media reports this except in thier silly edited sound bites that never gives a clear understanding of what you are seeing and hearing,,,then they (ALL of them in the media) explain it to you with their spin.

BTW..If Rep. Grayson can take time to his homwork on these matters why cant the rest of them?

[jimbo]

stark, on July 23 2010 - 01:10 PM, said:

This is exactly why I tell people you gotta watch C-span if you want to know anything about what's going on in this country! None of the media reports this except in thier silly edited sound bites that never gives a clear understanding of what you are seeing and hearing,,,then they (ALL of them in the media) explain it to you with their spin.

BTW..If Rep. Grayson can take time to his homwork on these matters why cant the rest of them?

"BTW..If Rep. Grayson can take time to his homwork on these matters why cant the rest of them?"

I am guessing, the reasons are similar to, why we are involved in wars in foreign countries which no one has been able to explain the reasons for. (The Osadam Bin Laden excuse, is bullshit!) And is now costing us almost a trillion dollars.


My take on this is,

1.......Our representatives are representing a party other than the people who elected them.

2.......Our representatives profit from existing conditions. For example: many of our representatives have bought stock in in defense contractor firms Thus, profiting from war and misery

[dockman]

that was a year ago 7/25/09?

since we are going a year back



recently




grayson doesn't have a problem taxing teamsters cadillac healthcare to fund obamacare

[dockman]

and how about we stop funding the U.N. and illegal aliens

[HAZ]

name='dockman' date='July 24 2010 - 04:28 PM' timestamp='1279949298' post='280643']
and how about we stop funding the U.N. and illegal aliens

" Stop funding the UN "..but they gave us, article 19, the Human Rights Declaration! You gotta a problem with that?

[jimbo]

HAZ, on July 23 2010 - 09:49 PM, said:

name='dockman' post='280643' date='July 24 2010 - 04:28 PM' timestamp='1279949298']
and how about we stop funding the U.N. and illegal aliens

" Stop funding the UN "..but they gave us, article 19, the Human Rights Declaration! You gotta a problem with that?

Yes, I do!....... The Supreme law of this land is the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. NOT the UN or any of it's "Articles".

[Farley]

jimbo posted:
Yes, I do!....... The Supreme law of this land is the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. NOT the UN or any of it's "Articles".

so sorry jimbo, you are wrong or are ignoring NAFTA, GATT, WTO etc which all trump our laws and constitution....and YOU personally supported the multinational corporations in destroying our government and democracy. we are now under corporate rule.

[egghead]

We must be corporatist

Except folks who believe in free trade and fewer regulations-Capitalists

and those folks who don't like big government who must be libertarians like Somalia

Farley you definitions are priceless--

[Farley]

glad to be of service eggy, I try to help out....

and shame on that Teamster in the video for being a Dick Armey Freedom Works puppet and actually buying into the Koch brothers manufactured outrage. Those signs were a hoot and some were even (dare I say it) Racist.

[jimbo]

Farley, on July 24 2010 - 01:04 PM, said:

glad to be of service eggy, I try to help out....

and shame on that Teamster in the video for being a Dick Armey Freedom Works puppet and actually buying into the Koch brothers manufactured outrage. Those signs were a hoot and some were even (dare I say it) Racist.

Ahhh .....yes,....Let us not forget the "racist" angle, the argument wouldn't amount to a hoot without the spice of "racism".

[jimbo]

Farley, on July 24 2010 - 08:12 AM, said:

jimbo posted:
Yes, I do!....... The Supreme law of this land is the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. NOT the UN or any of it's "Articles".

so sorry jimbo, you are wrong or are ignoring NAFTA, GATT, WTO etc which all trump our laws and constitution....and YOU personally supported the multinational corporations in destroying our government and democracy. we are now under corporate rule.

NAFTA, GATT, WTO are all subject to the to the Constitution and Bill of Rights. NOT the other way around, regardless of your hopes and wishes.

Why must you enevitably demonstrate the Axiom, "If it's bad for America, it's good for Farley, If it's bad for Farley, it's good for America"?

[Farley]

jimbo, sorry to piss on your parade, but trade aggreements trump our laws and our constitution.............just look at the case law that has been developed. jimbo in the world run by multinationals, money and the prusuit of it are religion and god!

people are not property and property is not a person!

[jimbo]

Farley, on July 25 2010 - 08:13 AM, said:

jimbo, sorry to piss on your parade, but trade aggreements trump our laws and our constitution.............just look at the case law that has been developed. jimbo in the world run by multinationals, money and the prusuit of it are religion and god!

people are not property and property is not a person!

No need to apologize Farley. Your saying, "The Constitution and Bill of rights are no longer valid" (what else is new?) No state in the union granted the Federal Government permission to negotiate it's sovereignty. That's why Arizona's immigration law will remain, regardless of federal challenge. That's because the Constitution and Bill of Rights is, and will continue to be, the supreme law of the land. That just goes to show you, Treaties mean shit when when challenged on a constitutional basis.

Looks like you may have to relocate Farley to a place more compatible and realistic for your political hopes and dreams.

[Farley]

jimbo, please get a dictionary and look up two words
1. valid
2. supreme
jimbo, this simple task will help you from looking like such an ass when you post, that is if you bother to read what you are responding to. First when did I say the Constitution was not valid? the answer is NEVER
Although I did say that our government (mostly because of goBPer policy)has signed trade agreements that allow international trade tribunals to rule on trade issues and overrule our laws and constitution. if that is to complicated of a concept for you to understand, maybe you better stay on the porch and quit embarrassing yourself by projecting your own ignorance on others. Notice how your buddies eggy, heisler, and docky are leaving you out on a limb on this issue?

[jimbo]

Farley, on July 26 2010 - 08:14 AM, said:

jimbo, please get a dictionary and look up two words
1. valid
2. supreme
jimbo, this simple task will help you from looking like such an ass when you post, that is if you bother to read what you are responding to. First when did I say the Constitution was not valid? the answer is NEVER
Although I did say that our government (mostly because of goBPer policy)has signed trade agreements that allow international trade tribunals to rule on trade issues and overrule our laws and constitution. if that is to complicated of a concept for you to understand, maybe you better stay on the porch and quiembarrassing yourself by projecting your own ignorance on others. Notice how your buddies eggy, heisler, and docky are leaving you out on a limb on this issue?

I had it right the first time , you are saying, " but trade agreements trump our laws and our constitution" What I am saying is Arizona's immigration law is going to trump some of the treaties the federal government has signed which the sates have not authorized the Fed to do on their behalf. Therefore, trade aggreements do not trump our laws and our constitution. Therefore, Looks like you may have to relocate Farley to a place more compatible and realistic for your political hopes and dreams.

BTW, please define the word you used above, "quiembarrassing".

[Farley]

jimbo "quiembarrassing is a contraction of quit and embarrassing know as a "typo" I am still a two finger keyboardist and my fingers seldom keep up.
I also now realize that you have no knowledge of US History or Civics, so arguing states rights, federal prerogatives, treaty ratification, etc is just fruitless, since you will not even bother to learn the basics

[dockman]

haz,the UN needs to be disbanded...it's a waste of time , money and it accomplishes nothing

and to hell with NAFTA ,GATT, and the WTO... GATT was formed during democrat rule in 1948 and was replaced by the WTO and NAFTA was passed by the democrats while they had control of ALL HOUSES and the WTO was also formed during the clinton presidency ...you lefties also voted for Gore who backed NAFTA and the WTO and you voted for another NAFTA man John Fonda Kerry...then you voted for another free trader Obama... the hypocrisy never ends with the left

[Farley]

every once in a while you psot something worthwhile docky........those trade agreements do need to be, at least, re-negotiated, and hopefully ended. And you make my point about the corporatist democrats, namely Clinton jumping on the goBPer free trade bandwagon and passing NAFTA, and the WTO, as well as massive deregulation in the communications and financial industries. Clinton befuddeled the GOP by becomming one of them, but it also allowed the GOP to become the goBP, a toxic mixture of free trading corporate facists, media blow holes, and religous snake handlers.
And you can make a good case that Gore's free trade philosophy was a major factor in losing in 2000. It cost him Ohio, and with Ohio Gore would not have had the issue of Florida being stolen from him by the less than supreme court. I know I did NOT vote for Gore because of it. But the funny thing is that some in Ohio voted for CHENEY/bush instead of Gore over the trade issue, but they failed to see that CHENEY/bush was an even more ardent free trading corporatist than Al Gore. That is like rejecting a bee sting in favor of a snake bite.