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[coastal]

I have not been on the TDU website, and nor do I want to go on the TDU website, so I'm not sure what your all talking about on here about letters,etc. But OMG, can you please SHOW some RESPECT for Keegel! Many great teamsters like Keegel and others included, dedicated their time, and now that Keegel is leaving this is what he gets in return? All of you should be or feel lucky that Keegel dedicated his time to the Teamster movement. And if all of you keep this up, then future leaders will think twice maybe about wanting to become Union Leaders,(then where will we be?) as when they then retire, no respect from the members? Seriously, few of you on here, are whining and complaining about nothing.

We have a year to elections, and in my view point, (but I'm old school), I always give respect to the current GP in office and those running for the position as well through the many past years. Some of you have no ideas of the high responsibility it takes and to step forward to either remain and/or become GP/on a slate and all the responsibilities involved in that position or positions.

You (the members) can vote whichever way you want too! In the meantime, show some respect for those still in office; those running to be in office, yes Hoffa, and also Gegare and Keegel included.

[DumpHoffaNow]

400lbsgorrilla, on July 26 2010 - 05:45 PM, said:

Ok I went to your TDU web site and I had to debug my computer after reading the letters from Mr Keegel,And yes I saw the quotes that you put up on this thread and those quotes can be interpreted any way the person reading them wants to take them. I read both letters and have the utmost respect for Tom, until I read or hear him tell us exactly what his opinions are, I am not going to read anything into his letters and I suggest that everyone do the same. It is very easy to sit back and arm chair quarterback the intent of Mr Keegel's letters. the responsible thing is to just hold back and lets see where the road Tom has started taking us leads.Any way you look at these letters we are loosing one of the greatest union leaders ever.Thank you Mr Keegel And good luck.

Well I knew when you animals responded you would attack me and say TDU was my website. But thats OK. I was responding to your request and that was the quickest way to get the information you requested. Next time I'll just ignore you. And you don't have to read anything into the letter. The people who know what is going on at the IBT know that Mr Keegel is fed up with the direction that Hoffa is taking the Union and is not going to be part of it. It is obvious that Hoffa and the outsiders are destroying the Union and there are many who will not let this happen. And that is very nice that you suggest that everyone do the same as you in not reading anything into the letters. The letter is very clear on many points. Because you can't understand it doesn't mean others can't.

[Mewing Cat]

DumpHoffaNow, on July 26 2010 - 10:47 PM, said:

Well I knew when you animals responded you would attack me and say TDU was my website. But thats OK. I was responding to your request and that was the quickest way to get the information you requested. Next time I'll just ignore you. And you don't have to read anything into the letter. The people who know what is going on at the IBT know that Mr Keegel is fed up with the direction that Hoffa is taking the Union and is not going to be part of it. It is obvious that Hoffa and the outsiders are destroying the Union and there are many who will not let this happen. And that is very nice that you suggest that everyone do the same as you in not reading anything into the letters. The letter is very clear on many points. Because you can't understand it doesn't mean others can't.

So we are all animals who can't read. This is not debate or dialogue or even conversation, it's just anger.

I believe Mr. Keegel when he writes that he's proud of what he accomplished in 11 years. Considering that 8 of those 11 were under the Bush Administration I think that the Hoffa/Keegel team did a fantastic job holding the union together. After more than a decade together, I can believe there are differences between the Keegel and Hoffa. It's natural. But I know both of them have enough class and leadership to keep those differences private and make decisions that they ultimately feel are going to be the best for the membership.

You talk about the outsiders destroying the union, when I think it's a pretty safe bet that you are an outsider (if by outsider you mean employee of the International). I would hope that Mr. Keegel wouldn't approve of one of his employees attacking Teamsters on this board. And if he did find out about you, I believe he would ask you to stop.

The country, the economy and our union is in a difficult place now and our job is to do our best to weather the storm, not to poke holes in the boat. If I'm right and you are an International employee, you have a obligation to attempt to be positive about our challenges. Please try that for a change.

[DumpHoffaNow]

Mewing Cat, on July 27 2010 - 07:24 AM, said:

So we are all animals who can't read. This is not debate or dialogue or even conversation, it's just anger.

I believe Mr. Keegel when he writes that he's proud of what he accomplished in 11 years. Considering that 8 of those 11 were under the Bush Administration I think that the Hoffa/Keegel team did a fantastic job holding the union together. After more than a decade together, I can believe there are differences between the Keegel and Hoffa. It's natural. But I know both of them have enough class and leadership to keep those differences private and make decisions that they ultimately feel are going to be the best for the membership.

You talk about the outsiders destroying the union, when I think it's a pretty safe bet that you are an outsider (if by outsider you mean employee of the International). I would hope that Mr. Keegel wouldn't approve of one of his employees attacking Teamsters on this board. And if he did find out about you, I believe he would ask you to stop.

The country, the economy and our union is in a difficult place now and our job is to do our best to weather the storm, not to poke holes in the boat. If I'm right and you are an International employee, you have a obligation to attempt to be positive about our challenges. Please try that for a change.

I was responding to 400lbGorilla which would be an animal ( a little humor ) and none of your business. He had asked for information and I provided it to him then he had the nerve to call me TDU which I despise. So you stuck your nose where it doesn't belong.

As for being angry you bet your ass I am. I along with many others are sick and tired of Hoffa and Hall and how they have destroyed MY Union. It is MY Union and I am not an IBT employee but a member of many decades who will work my ass off to make sure we defeat Hoffa and Hall and put in leadership that will run the Union for the benefit of the members.

Hoffa and Hall have financially destroyed the Union to the point we can not provide basic services to the membership. How do you feel about that?

Hoffa and Hall have fucked and continue to fuck our UPS members and then want to have a bullshit call on Thursday night to make them feel good about it. Sounds like campaigning to me, how about you?

Hoffa and Hall has divided MY Union and even the GEB. Does that sound like they are working together?

And when they talk about outsiders they are talking about the Christy Bailey's and Todd Thompson's and Leo Deaners that are making policy decisions and not the constitutionally elected officers.

Now don't misunderstand me. Mr Keegel has my complete admiration for his 50 years of service, for the work he has done, and for the stand he has taken. Hoffa is a Bum and he needs to be run out of the Union. DumpHoffaNow

[teamodude]

DumpHoffaNow, on July 27 2010 - 08:04 AM, said:

I was responding to 400lbGorilla which would be an animal ( a little humor ) and none of your business. He had asked for information and I provided it to him then he had the nerve to call me TDU which I despise. So you stuck your nose where it doesn't belong.

As for being angry you bet your ass I am. I along with many others are sick and tired of Hoffa and Hall and how they have destroyed MY Union. It is MY Union and I am not an IBT employee but a member of many decades who will work my ass off to make sure we defeat Hoffa and Hall and put in leadership that will run the Union for the benefit of the members.

Hoffa and Hall have financially destroyed the Union to the point we can not provide basic services to the membership. How do you feel about that?

Hoffa and Hall have fucked and continue to fuck our UPS members and then want to have a bullshit call on Thursday night to make them feel good about it. Sounds like campaigning to me, how about you?

Hoffa and Hall has divided MY Union and even the GEB. Does that sound like they are working together?

And when they talk about outsiders they are talking about the Christy Bailey's and Todd Thompson's and Leo Deaners that are making policy decisions and not the constitutionally elected officers.

Now don't misunderstand me. Mr Keegel has my complete admiration for his 50 years of service, for the work he has done, and for the stand he has taken. Hoffa is a Bum and he needs to be run out of the Union. DumpHoffaNow

Dump you!!! You say what you post here is none of someones business then don't post it here. This is an open forum and read by many if you don't want peoples responses and opinions then why would you post here. It is simple because you want everybody to know your opinion but not theirs. Let me know how that work s out for you. You get on here posting your bullshit about how Hoffa and Keegel broke this union. I seem to remember what financial shape the International was is when they took office after Cary got threw raping it. I visited the International during Cary's term and never saw anything so depressing in my life. The building was in complete disarray with shit piled in the hallways plywood signs hanging on the outside of the building. A beautiful building in our nations capital. The closest piece of privately owned property to the Capital building. What a disgrace that was. This administration has certainly made their mistakes and will make more in the future but we are so much better off that we were before that its not even worth talking about. If you are not TDU then you need to take of their hat. Have a great day.

[DumpHoffaNow]

teamodude, on July 27 2010 - 08:47 AM, said:

Dump you!!! You say what you post here is none of someones business then don't post it here. This is an open forum and read by many if you don't want peoples responses and opinions then why would you post here. It is simple because you want everybody to know your opinion but not theirs. Let me know how that work s out for you. You get on here posting your bullshit about how Hoffa and Keegel broke this union. I seem to remember what financial shape the International was is when they took office after Cary got threw raping it. I visited the International during Cary's term and never saw anything so depressing in my life. The building was in complete disarray with shit piled in the hallways plywood signs hanging on the outside of the building. A beautiful building in our nations capital. The closest piece of privately owned property to the Capital building. What a disgrace that was. This administration has certainly made their mistakes and will make more in the future but we are so much better off that we were before that its not even worth talking about. If you are not TDU then you need to take of their hat. Have a great day.

Mewing Cat jumped in like I was calling him an animal but WHATEVER. I will agree with you on this. Ron Carey was a Bum and destroyed My Union and he deserved what he got. Hoffa deserves the same for doing to My Union just what Carey did ... and worse. Hoffa is the ultimate hypocrite. He campaigned against Carey for destroying the finances of the IBT and Hoffa has done the same thing. Hoffa campaigned against Carey for dividing the Union and Haoofa has done the same thing. What really interests me is what members think about the IBT being broke which will likely lead to a dues increase and the divided Union.

[SHIFTALKER]

Hey Dumpie:

You seem to have a lot of opinions:

Who do you think is a better pick for the General Executive Board Ron Herrera or Henry Perry? Steve Pozctowski or Fred Zuckerman?

[DumpHoffaNow]

SHIFTALKER, on July 27 2010 - 09:58 AM, said:

Hey Dumpie:

You seem to have a lot of opinions:

Who do you think is a better pick for the General Executive Board Ron Herrera or Henry Perry? Steve Pozctowski or Fred Zuckerman?

All of them are good with me provided Hoffa and his Bums are out.

[teamodude]

DumpHoffaNow, on July 27 2010 - 10:21 AM, said:

All of them are good with me provided Hoffa and his Bums are out.

you have a one tract mind are are blinded by your apparent hatred for Hoffa what did he do to you. It can't be because he broke the International. If it was broke when he took office, and it was how could he have broke it and it is still there operating everyday. This is a personal issue with you Hoffa must of shit in your wheaties.

[DumpHoffaNow]

teamodude, on July 27 2010 - 11:45 AM, said:

you have a one tract mind are are blinded by your apparent hatred for Hoffa what did he do to you. It can't be because he broke the International. If it was broke when he took office, and it was how could he have broke it and it is still there operating everyday. This is a personal issue with you Hoffa must of shit in your wheaties.

It's not what he did to me it is what he did to us. I helped him get elected with the promise he would rebuild the union from Ron Careys destruction. Hoffa said he would rebuild the finances, got the biggest dues increase ever in 2002 and the International is broke and on the verge of bankruptcy. They continue to layoff staff that provide services to the membership ( you and me ) so to say it differently they can't provide neccessary services to us. He said he would unite us together because Carey had divided us. Hoffa has done more to divide us than Carey ever could. His E-Board is divided and running against each other or just leaving altogether. He let UPS out of the Central States Pension Fund which not only screws the UPS'ers because they now have the lowest benefits out there but also when UPS takes control of it they will continue to get screwed. Hoffa wouldn't take on the fight like Carey did because it would have wiped out the strike fund that he is using to operate on. As a result he screwed all remaining participants ( active and retired )in the Central States Funds which by the way I am one of them. He has not organized in our core industries - particularly freight - which helps maintain the standards, pay, benefits and membership in those industries. The membership is lower today than when he took office even with the mergers of the other unions so we are nowhere close to growing. and I can go on and on and on but you asked why I'm upset. We can not take 5 more years of this shit. Our union is weaker than it was when Hoffa took over. There is NO TEAMSTER POWER. So say what you want and stick your head in the dirt if you don't get off your ass and do something about it you will continue to have what you've got.

[400lbsgorrilla]

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Dear dumpy if I offended you by calling it your web site you were the one who knew where to get the letters., which makes me believe you must look at there site on a pretty regular bases.I am not upset with you everyone is entitled to there own opinion {and we all no about opinions there just like asshole everyone has one and some stink worse then others] but there was no blinking neon sign in those letter either one of them saying that Tom hates Jimmy or that Tom wants Jimmy to loose or that he thinks Jimmy's even a bad leader.What it did say was that after 50 years of loyal and true service he has decided to retire and spend time doing other things with the remainder of his life... I personally am very sorry for his leaving I believe there is a lot of fight left in him but he has made his decision and know we must let him finish his term and give him the send off he rightly deserves.

Dumpy you keep saying that Mr Hoffa and Mr Hall have fucked the UPS guys well if I am not mistaken didn't they vote on all of there contracts or the proposals for there contracts? If I were to believe what you have written Mr Hoffa and Mr Hall jammed those contracts down there throats,I just find that extremely hard to believe. Dumpy if things are so bad and so shitty and you have all of the time in that you claim to have maybe you should consider retirement,it's only a thought. I wish you luck with Fred's campaign you are going to need it, we are not all as gullible as you make the UPSer out to be.No disrespect intended to the Hard working brother's and sisters who work for UPS.

[teamodude]

DumpHoffaNow, on July 27 2010 - 01:38 PM, said:

It's not what he did to me it is what he did to us. I helped him get elected with the promise he would rebuild the union from Ron Careys destruction. Hoffa said he would rebuild the finances, got the biggest dues increase ever in 2002 and the International is broke and on the verge of bankruptcy. They continue to layoff staff that provide services to the membership ( you and me ) so to say it differently they can't provide neccessary services to us. He said he would unite us together because Carey had divided us. Hoffa has done more to divide us than Carey ever could. His E-Board is divided and running against each other or just leaving altogether. He let UPS out of the Central States Pension Fund which not only screws the UPS'ers because they now have the lowest benefits out there but also when UPS takes control of it they will continue to get screwed. Hoffa wouldn't take on the fight like Carey did because it would have wiped out the strike fund that he is using to operate on. As a result he screwed all remaining participants ( active and retired )in the Central States Funds which by the way I am one of them. He has not organized in our core industries - particularly freight - which helps maintain the standards, pay, benefits and membership in those industries. The membership is lower today than when he took office even with the mergers of the other unions so we are nowhere close to growing. and I can go on and on and on but you asked why I'm upset. We can not take 5 more years of this shit. Our union is weaker than it was when Hoffa took over. There is NO TEAMSTER POWER. So say what you want and stick your head in the dirt if you don't get off your ass and do something about it you will continue to have what you've got.

Correct me if I am wrong. Was it Hoffa who broke Central States? NO. Would he have been smart to leave UPS in a fund that was doomed to fail? NO. There was talk about putting Central States and Western States together to try and save Central States (Gegars Idea). Problem was everyone from Western States showed up at that meeting and killed that idea. Truth is your buddy Freddie boy mismanaged Central states and it is broke, he can keep his hands out of my pension fund. I can only hope this membership is smart enough (and i think they are) to see through Fred's bullshit. He is nothing but a drunk and back room deal maker and I know that from personal experience. You my friend are very misinformed.

[DumpHoffaNow]

teamodude, on July 27 2010 - 02:10 PM, said:

Correct me if I am wrong. Was it Hoffa who broke Central States? NO. Would he have been smart to leave UPS in a fund that was doomed to fail? NO. There was talk about putting Central States and Western States together to try and save Central States (Gegars Idea). Problem was everyone from Western States showed up at that meeting and killed that idea. Truth is your buddy Freddie boy mismanaged Central states and it is broke, he can keep his hands out of my pension fund. I can only hope this membership is smart enough (and i think they are) to see through Fred's bullshit. He is nothing but a drunk and back room deal maker and I know that from personal experience. You my friend are very misinformed.

What a great answer. People like you are the problem. We have 200,000 TEAMTER RETIREES and some 60,000 TEAMSTER PARTICIPANTS in the Central States Funds that rely on that retirement security. Jimmy Hoffa knew the importance of a TEAMSTER PENSION FUND when he negotiated national contracts and encouraged everyone to put members in the funds to support TEAMSTERS. That was what kept us apart and better than any other union. Now our leadership is not worried about supporting the funds and like you would rather blame someone for political purposes for their failure. The failure of the funds is by not putting active participants in the funds or in the case of UPS taking them out of the funds. The IBT has clearly shown no desire to support the funds which will end up fucking each retired and active Teamster in the funds. Blame it all on Gegare and you sound as stupid as you are. He does not control the funds like you would like everyone to believe but hell you already know that. One more point to make. Now that UPS was successful in taking Teamsters out of Central States what do you think happens next contract with the rest of the funds. Are you so naive that they won't take them on? Then ask your fund what happens when you have less actives and more retirees. Don't tell me I'm misinformed.

[teamodude]

DumpHoffaNow, on July 27 2010 - 02:41 PM, said:

What a great answer. People like you are the problem. We have 200,000 TEAMTER RETIREES and some 60,000 TEAMSTER PARTICIPANTS in the Central States Funds that rely on that retirement security. Jimmy Hoffa knew the importance of a TEAMSTER PENSION FUND when he negotiated national contracts and encouraged everyone to put members in the funds to support TEAMSTERS. That was what kept us apart and better than any other union. Now our leadership is not worried about supporting the funds and like you would rather blame someone for political purposes for their failure. The failure of the funds is by not putting active participants in the funds or in the case of UPS taking them out of the funds. The IBT has clearly shown no desire to support the funds which will end up fucking each retired and active Teamster in the funds. Blame it all on Gegare and you sound as stupid as you are. He does not control the funds like you would like everyone to believe but hell you already know that. One more point to make. Now that UPS was successful in taking Teamsters out of Central States what do you think happens next contract with the rest of the funds. Are you so naive that they won't take them on? Then ask your fund what happens when you have less actives and more retirees. Don't tell me I'm misinformed.

There you go somebody doesn't agree with you so you start the name calling. The fact is that Freddie was the Chairman of Central States and he breached the trust of the participants plain and simple. I was involved in a contract in Las Vegas when Freddie showed up and tried everything he could to help his buddy the president of Rinker Material Nevada. He tried to screw the Members there out of their pension in the Western Conference. Luckily we had an agent and an S/T that stood up to him and his seem. So you don't need to try and go there with me I personally know what Freddie is. You can bury your head in the sand all you want to when a fund is doomed for failure you don't continue to take peoples retirement and invest it is a sure looser. Central States is a sure looser and I feel very bad for all the people that have their eggs in that basket but it doesn't do any good to put more people in that basket. Now who looks like the fool? Have a great fantasy.

[DumpHoffaNow]

teamodude, on July 27 2010 - 03:01 PM, said:

There you go somebody doesn't agree with you so you start the name calling. The fact is that Freddie was the Chairman of Central States and he breached the trust of the participants plain and simple. I was involved in a contract in Las Vegas when Freddie showed up and tried everything he could to help his buddy the president of Rinker Material Nevada. He tried to screw the Members there out of their pension in the Western Conference. Luckily we had an agent and an S/T that stood up to him and his seem. So you don't need to try and go there with me I personally know what Freddie is. You can bury your head in the sand all you want to when a fund is doomed for failure you don't continue to take peoples retirement and invest it is a sure looser. Central States is a sure looser and I feel very bad for all the people that have their eggs in that basket but it doesn't do any good to put more people in that basket. Now who looks like the fool? Have a great fantasy.

Another great answer. The fund is doomed so fuck those 260,000 TEAMSTERS who have worked their entire lives for retirement security. I don't like your solution. I am a believer that we can change things and support our Brothers and Sisters that need help.

[teamodude]

DumpHoffaNow, on July 27 2010 - 03:07 PM, said:

Another great answer. The fund is doomed so fuck those 260,000 TEAMSTERS who have worked their entire lives for retirement security. I don't like your solution. I am a believer that we can change things and support our Brothers and Sisters that need help.

You are a dreamer if you think the Central states fund can be saved after years of mismanagement. It's a crime what has been done to that fund but unfortunately it is what it is now. Some of the best financial minds in the country have already said it cannot be saved what part of that don't you understand. That's not my fault or yours but Freddie sure as hell had a hand in it that's a fact. I personally don't know what can be done for the brothers and sisters that are going to get screwed but your solution sure as hell won't work. We can only hope that the Senate and the Congress can pass legislation to save these important funds. And I will tell you this I disagree with Hoffa on plenty of issues nobody is perfect but he is not to blame for that mess. And if Gegare couldn't keep the finances of that fund in check (he was the Chairman there is no denying that)he sure as hell can't run the International. Like I said I have first hand experience with that asshole drunk and I don't want anymore.

[DumpHoffaNow]

teamodude, on July 27 2010 - 04:23 PM, said:

You are a dreamer if you think the Central states fund can be saved after years of mismanagement. It's a crime what has been done to that fund but unfortunately it is what it is now. Some of the best financial minds in the country have already said it cannot be saved what part of that don't you understand. That's not my fault or yours but Freddie sure as hell had a hand in it that's a fact. I personally don't know what can be done for the brothers and sisters that are going to get screwed but your solution sure as hell won't work. We can only hope that the Senate and the Congress can pass legislation to save these important funds. And I will tell you this I disagree with Hoffa on plenty of issues nobody is perfect but he is not to blame for that mess. And if Gegare couldn't keep the finances of that fund in check (he was the Chairman there is no denying that)he sure as hell can't run the International. Like I said I have first hand experience with that asshole drunk and I don't want anymore.

The more you talk the more you show your ignorance.

[coastal]

teamodude, on July 27 2010 - 02:10 PM, said:

Correct me if I am wrong. Was it Hoffa who broke Central States? NO. Would he have been smart to leave UPS in a fund that was doomed to fail? NO. There was talk about putting Central States and Western States together to try and save Central States (Gegars Idea). Problem was everyone from Western States showed up at that meeting and killed that idea. Truth is your buddy Freddie boy mismanaged Central states and it is broke, he can keep his hands out of my pension fund. I can only hope this membership is smart enough (and i think they are) to see through Fred's bullshit. He is nothing but a drunk and back room deal maker and I know that from personal experience. You my friend are very misinformed.

RE: PENSION.. Western States Pension, needs to remain Western States! JC42/ST-Dick Martino worked too hard to create/negotiate the best pension plans for Western States, among others from Western Region. It would be a HUGE mistake to merge Western and Central pensions and I am glad that Western States showed up and killed that ideas of a merger!

I'm sorry Central States is not doing well, but they will have to come up with another solution.

[hembone]

Was just reading this, then went to the latest post (June 5 2011) amazing the same train of thought.

[Farley]

Coastal...we need to thank the real architects and protectors of the Western Conference of Teamsters Pension, namely Arnie Wienmeister and Joe Ballew...followed by Tony Locke Mark Endresen, and now Chuck Mack......they kept this plan highly funded, and did not succomb to the toodleoo demands to put it in a "unfunded" position by approving benefits the fund resources could not support. And YES< I personally benefit from their foresight...and am grateful each and every day that the Western Teamster Pension Trustees told the toodleoo to fuck off and not destroy the best Union Pension Plan in America.