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[SHIFTALKER]

From July 16 2010 - 11:24 PM:

I don't have a clue? What a great answer. I said Hoffa has created a split on his executive board. Keegel is gone and won't support Hoffa - Gegare is gone and won't support Hoffa - Slawson is gone and won't support Hoffa - Henry Perry is gone and won't support Hoffa all because Hoffa is destroying our union. Now I think I'm right about this but you can check it for yourself.
I also said nitwit Hoffa and his minions are destroying the union. The union is broke after the largest dues increase in 2002. The IBT continues to layoff essential staff, cut services, ignore funding requirements for TAPP and the Family plan which in itself will bankrupt the IBT, fucked the retirees by eliminating the retirees chapter which provided services to the retirees and plans on cutting more staff and services. I think I'm right on those things so if you want to check call 202-624-6800 and ask.
I also said there was not much difference between Hoffa and TDU. I was wrong about that. Hoffa is worse and I will explain. Hoffa ran against Carey because Carey destroyed the finances of the union. Hoffa has done the same thing so they are even. Hoffa ran against Carey because Carey divided the union. Remember the speech? member against member-local against local- joint council against joint council - well Hoffa has done the same thing. One example is his personal involvement in the Joint Council 43 elections because the current Joint Council President doesn't support Hoffa. You can check that if you like. So Carey and Hoffa even on that one. Then there is the issue of how Hofa fucked the UPS members. Carey stood up to UPS when UPS wanted control of their pensions. Hoffa rolled over because he wouldn't fight UPS and as a result our UPS members got fucked. Carey 1 Hoffa is a zero. You can check that out too. So don't tell me I'm wrong or don't have a clue. Check it out.

There have always been splits on the Executive Board under every administration. The truth is that there have been fewer under Hoffa. Last election, Dotty Malinsky, Tommy O’Donnell, Rich Volpe and Tyson Johnson opposed Hoffa at the beginning of the election cycle. To Hoffa’s credit, he was able to reconcile with Johnson and Volpe as well as someone like Ken Hall who opposed him in 2001. He has been a lot more successful at uniting our union than any leader in recent history. Zuckerman and Perry have allowed huge TDU factions to grow in their unions because of their lack of leadership and are now playing to those very groups. That is the truth.

To say our UPS members “got fucked” either shows your ignorance or that you are just being political. If you think UPS members would have struck to stay in the Central States fund you obviously don’t know any UPS members. TDU also slammed Hoffa and Hall for negotiating the contract a year early. This also turned out to be an incredibly smart move as our economy collapsed the very next year. UPS members will not vote for Gegare as they are acutely aware of his criminal mismanagement of the Central States fund. To think that Gegare squandered the entire 6 billion dollars that UPS paid to get out of the fund in just one year is mind boggling. Also remember that when you talk about the TAPP and Family Plan that it is Gegare and Slawson that sit atop these funds and are responsible for their mismanagement as well. It is pretty obvious that the only reason that these two are opposing Hoffa is to draw attention away from their own inept leadership and questionable dealings, much like Zuckerman and Perry.

I’ll say it again, I have very little respect for Gegare as I am from the Central and have seen his handiwork up close and personal. His handling of the waste strike in Wisconsin was pathetic and he has screwed over construction Teamsters here in Illinois by allowing Teamsters in Wisconsin and Indiana to undercut their brothers in Illinois. He has allowed his employers to exit Central States and voted to allow UPS to exit the fund yet attacks others for doing exactly what he did. Gegare and his me first attitude would be a disaster for our union.

[lesgroucho1]

[quote name='SHIFTALKER' date='July 17 2010 - 05:41 AM' timestamp='1279374097' post='280352']
There have always been splits on the Executive Board under every administration. The truth is that there have been fewer under Hoffa. Last election, Dotty Malinsky, Tommy O’Donnell, Rich Volpe and Tyson Johnson opposed Hoffa at the beginning of the election cycle. To Hoffa’s credit, he was able to reconcile with Johnson and Volpe as well as someone like Ken Hall who opposed him in 2001. He has been a lot more successful at uniting our union than any leader in recent history. Zuckerman and Perry have allowed huge TDU factions to grow in their unions because of their lack of leadership and are now playing to those very groups. That is the truth.

To say our UPS members “got fucked” either shows your ignorance or that you are just being political. If you think UPS members would have struck to stay in the Central States fund you obviously don’t know any UPS members. TDU also slammed Hoffa and Hall for negotiating the contract a year early. This also turned out to be an incredibly smart move as our economy collapsed the very next year. UPS members will not vote for Gegare as they are acutely aware of his criminal mismanagement of the Central States fund. To think that Gegare squandered the entire 6 billion dollars that UPS paid to get out of the fund in just one year is mind boggling. Also remember that when you talk about the TAPP and Family Plan that it is Gegare and Slawson that sit atop these funds and are responsible for their mismanagement as well. It is pretty obvious that the only reason that these two are opposing Hoffa is to draw attention away from their own inept leadership and questionable dealings, much like Zuckerman and Perry.

I’ll say it again, I have very little respect for Gegare as I am from the Central and have seen his handiwork up close and personal. His handling of the waste strike in Wisconsin was pathetic and he has screwed over construction Teamsters here in Illinois by allowing Teamsters in Wisconsin and Indiana to undercut their brothers in Illinois. He has allowed his employers to exit Central States and voted to allow UPS to exit the fund yet attacks others for doing exactly what he did. Gegare and his me first attitude would be a disaster for our union.


[i]Whoa, whoa, whoa, no politics in the above post, come on?[/i]

Opinions are opinions, but do not load them up with perceptions on how "I see it" because what you allege you see is not what is factual. Example, if I may. The perception you present is Gegare "allowed his employers to exit Central States and voted to allow UPS to exit the fund". So if we lived in the world you express, one would believe Gegare was the sole factor in that statement, but not to be so. What about the other Union Trustees and Employer Trustees on the Fund? Just because you have the perception Gegare is the Union Chair his sole vote he is the "King of the Hill"? Think again.

The 6 Billion dollar "squandered" by Gegare is a complete mis-representation. You would paint the picture that Gegare solely invests the capital of CSPF with a dart board approach and a blank checkbook. Come on, how stupid do you really think the membership of this great Organization is?

The Waste Strike in Wisconsin showed the Unity and Brotherhood of the membership in Wisconsin. For those outside the day to day dealings, the comments and views are what they are, just that! JC39 has the best system in place in the country on the protecting and raising the bar to "area standards". which is directly lead by Brother Gegare.

Again Brother, opinions are opinions, as you may believe my above statements may be, but when painting a picture, be within the four corners of the paper instead of splashing a world of colors to be an attraction getter!

[SHIFTALKER]

From July 17 2010 - 06:19 AM:

Opinions are opinions, but do not load them up with perceptions on how "I see it" because what you allege you see is not what is factual. Example, if I may. The perception you present is Gegare "allowed his employers to exit Central States and voted to allow UPS to exit the fund". So if we lived in the world you express, one would believe Gegare was the sole factor in that statement, but not to be so. What about the other Union Trustees and Employer Trustees on the Fund? Just because you have the perception Gegare is the Union Chair his sole vote he is the "King of the Hill"? Think again.

The 6 Billion dollar "squandered" by Gegare is a complete mis-representation. You would paint the picture that Gegare solely invests the capital of CSPF with a dart board approach and a blank checkbook. Come on, how stupid do you really think the membership of this great Organization is?

The Waste Strike in Wisconsin showed the Unity and Brotherhood of the membership in Wisconsin. For those outside the day to day dealings, the comments and views are what they are, just that! JC39 has the best system in place in the country on the protecting and raising the bar to "area standards". which is directly lead by Brother Gegare.

Again Brother, opinions are opinions, as you may believe my above statements may be, but when painting a picture, be within the four corners of the paper instead of splashing a world of colors to be an attraction getter!

It IS factual that Gegare has allowed his own employers to exit Central States and, as a Trustee, voted to allow UPS to exit the fund he chairs. That is a FACT.

You blame Hoffa alone for the union being “broke”. Why? Is it because he is the head of the union? Than Gegare should have to face the same criticism for being the head of Central States. He is the chief steward of the fund for the union. Right?

It is not a misrepresentation to say that Gegare squandered the 6 billion dollars UPS paid to exit Central States. It is a fact that the Central States fund reported $17.3 billion in pension assets at the end of 2008, down from $26.8 billion a year earlier. That is a FACT.

The Wisconsin Waste Strike was a fiasco created by Gegare. Anybody who knows anything about that strike knows Gegare fucked up and if Terry Hancock hadnt bailed his ass out it would be a non-union barn full of scabs and those who crossed the line. Do not forget that Gegare had Terry fired from the IBT after he saved his ass. That is the kind of guy Gegare is.

Lastly, it is funny that you mention “area standards” when talking about Gegare. Gegare has done more to undercut, and allow other locals in Wisconsin and Indiana to undercut the area standards in construction of our members here in Illinois.

These are not opinions brother, these are FACTS. You can paint whatever picture you want of Fred Gegare, I have a crystal clear vision of the man.

[lesgroucho1]

SHIFTALKER, on July 17 2010 - 09:56 AM, said:

It IS factual that Gegare has allowed his own employers to exit Central States and, as a Trustee, voted to allow UPS to exit the fund he chairs. That is a FACT.

You blame Hoffa alone for the union being “broke”. Why? Is it because he is the head of the union? Than Gegare should have to face the same criticism for being the head of Central States. He is the chief steward of the fund for the union. Right?

It is not a misrepresentation to say that Gegare squandered the 6 billion dollars UPS paid to exit Central States. It is a fact that the Central States fund reported $17.3 billion in pension assets at the end of 2008, down from $26.8 billion a year earlier. That is a FACT.

The Wisconsin Waste Strike was a fiasco created by Gegare. Anybody who knows anything about that strike knows Gegare fucked up and if Terry Hancock hadnt bailed his ass out it would be a non-union barn full of scabs and those who crossed the line. Do not forget that Gegare had Terry fired from the IBT after he saved his ass. That is the kind of guy Gegare is.

Lastly, it is funny that you mention “area standards” when talking about Gegare. Gegare has done more to undercut, and allow other locals in Wisconsin and Indiana to undercut the area standards in construction of our members here in Illinois.

These are not opinions brother, these are FACTS. You can paint whatever picture you want of Fred Gegare, I have a crystal clear vision of the man.

With Solidarity, I respect your views.

Although, I can not value their worth. Your perceptions are on record, you have stated your case. Pension Funds,401K's, personal investments and savings accounts have rode the same path, no one was exempt, no one. The loss for many began a new road to their own retirement, maybe for the second time because the first was lost to the market and the world economics that we all were faced to deal with.

Teamsters stand together, we value our own backyard with honor when it comes to our own local union politics, but when we are threatened here, we are threatened as one nationwide, and we should never forget that fact. As Brothers and Sisters, we shall stand united, place to the side the power of our own backyard we cherish and take that same power and strength for avenues to support others that need the Unity and Solidarity to protect working families from employers that deem us weak. If we show division within our own Union, we show the employers our weakness, this shall and should have nevered happened.

Brother, I will not stand behind you. I will stand next to you, standing side by side when our foundation is attacked with the same honor and courage this great organization was founded on. We can differ on the direction of leadership of this Union and who that leadership maybe, but we shall never differ on princples of our Constitution to provide a fairs days pay for a fair days work to support the working families of this great Union.

The campaign will continue with the road to the end result being long. The challenges we face is being informed, informed with facts and not clouded with hype and smoke and mirrors. Ask the questions, get the answers, walk away informed, not with opinions, but with facts.

[400lbsgorrilla]

Rome/Hoffa2011, on July 17 2010 - 03:59 AM, said:

Do you hate all Teamster leaders or is there someone you support for General President? Or are you like Paula Macchello and Mary Kay Henry who anonymously smear our union and all our leaders on this website by saying ANYBODY BUT HOFFA.

Not real sure who you are but I am a close personal friend of Paula's and do not like what you are implying. Unless you have proof of these allegations you have made I think you need to stop these attacks on her or Mary Kay.Everyone at the local knows who I am so if you need to speak to me about this further please contact the local and they will get you in-touch with me. Grow up and stop attacking on the web and do it in person if you have the nerve.

[DirtyDairy]

Gegare did such a top-notch job running his local into the ground that he was forced to merge it into 662 who would he merge the Teamsters with? The Operating Engineers who he sold the construction guys out to?

[Conquistador]

SHIFTALKER, on July 17 2010 - 09:56 AM, said:

You blame Hoffa alone for the union being “broke”. Why? Is it because he is the head of the union?

Why not? Isn't that what Hoffa did to Ron Carey?

[lesgroucho1]

DirtyDairy, on July 17 2010 - 02:11 PM, said:

Gegare did such a top-notch job running his local into the ground that he was forced to merge it into 662 who would he merge the Teamsters with? The Operating Engineers who he sold the construction guys out to?

Again, another attempt to be in the know and know nothing. I'll give ya credit, get it out there to see what sticks to the wall, and this is one of the attempts. Without success may I say.

[705upser]

SHIFTALKER, on July 17 2010 - 05:41 AM, said:

There have always been splits on the Executive Board under every administration. The truth is that there have been fewer under Hoffa. Last election, Dotty Malinsky, Tommy O’Donnell, Rich Volpe and Tyson Johnson opposed Hoffa at the beginning of the election cycle. To Hoffa’s credit, he was able to reconcile with Johnson and Volpe as well as someone like Ken Hall who opposed him in 2001. He has been a lot more successful at uniting our union than any leader in recent history. Zuckerman and Perry have allowed huge TDU factions to grow in their unions because of their lack of leadership and are now playing to those very groups. That is the truth.

To say our UPS members “got fucked” either shows your ignorance or that you are just being political. If you think UPS members would have struck to stay in the Central States fund you obviously don’t know any UPS members. TDU also slammed Hoffa and Hall for negotiating the contract a year early. This also turned out to be an incredibly smart move as our economy collapsed the very next year. UPS members will not vote for Gegare as they are acutely aware of his criminal mismanagement of the Central States fund. To think that Gegare squandered the entire 6 billion dollars that UPS paid to get out of the fund in just one year is mind boggling. Also remember that when you talk about the TAPP and Family Plan that it is Gegare and Slawson that sit atop these funds and are responsible for their mismanagement as well. It is pretty obvious that the only reason that these two are opposing Hoffa is to draw attention away from their own inept leadership and questionable dealings, much like Zuckerman and Perry.

I’ll say it again, I have very little respect for Gegare as I am from the Central and have seen his handiwork up close and personal. His handling of the waste strike in Wisconsin was pathetic and he has screwed over construction Teamsters here in Illinois by allowing Teamsters in Wisconsin and Indiana to undercut their brothers in Illinois. He has allowed his employers to exit Central States and voted to allow UPS to exit the fund yet attacks others for doing exactly what he did. Gegare and his me first attitude would be a disaster for our union.

Shift you speak on how lucky UPS members were for settling a year early. Im from 705 and we settled early on August 1st with a far better contract than what the National did. We recived an extra week of vacation plus one additional paid optional day. Members would have benefited more if they would have waited. One thing I can tell you is that UPS members will not vote for Hoffa.

Under Hoffas watch he has raised the probationary time from 2 years to hit top pay to 3 years, he has changed the understanding of language from 9.5 from the 2002 contract even though the language stayed the same. He has stood by and watched thousands of 22.3 fulltime good paying jobs get elimnated, these same jobs we earned by going on strike in 97. He has not addressed the starting pay for part timers under 2 contracts that he had a chance to. He took away medical benefits from newly hired part timers. He has allowed UPS to start using technology to discipline employees.

Your right that Fred holds some blame as well for some of the stuff that has happened under this amdin. At this point you have alot of people that will not vote for Hoffa no matter whos on his slate, but right now fred is not winning any votes either. If fred is serious he needs to get off his ass!!!!

[400lbsgorrilla]

It's really amazing to me how many people know what Tom was thinking when he chose not to continue his run for reelection. Just because Tom chose not to go forward doesn't mean there are problems between the two of them. We fight for our early retirement clauses in our CBA's maybe he is ready to use his out and move on.He might want to spend more time with his family,or it could be he just doesn't want to do it any more only Tom knows for sure what the reasons are. It makes all of us look foolish to keep speculating on his reasons, we should all raise a glass and wish him well in the future and thank him for his years of dedicated service this is the GREATEST LABOR UNION in the World because of men like Tom Keegan and I for one want to say thank you very much.

God Bless and Thank You
Doug Radonich
Teamster local 853

[teamodude]

400lbsgorrilla, on July 18 2010 - 07:34 PM, said:

It's really amazing to me how many people know what Tom was thinking when he chose not to continue his run for reelection. Just because Tom chose not to go forward doesn't mean there are problems between the two of them. We fight for our early retirement clauses in our CBA's maybe he is ready to use his out and move on.He might want to spend more time with his family,or it could be he just doesn't want to do it any more only Tom knows for sure what the reasons are. It makes all of us look foolish to keep speculating on his reasons, we should all raise a glass and wish him well in the future and thank him for his years of dedicated service this is the GREATEST LABOR UNION in the World because of men like Tom Keegan and I for one want to say thank you very much.

God Bless and Thank You
Doug Radonich
Teamster local 853

I absolutely agree with you but Tom wouldn't be taking early retirement he is 68 years old worked hard for this Union and he deserves the respect he has earned. God bless you brother Keegel in what ever you choose to do and thank you for your service. To hell with the sceptics and TDU can kiss my ass.

[FIGHTING FOR THE MEMBERS]

705upser, on July 18 2010 - 08:56 AM, said:

Shift you speak on how lucky UPS members were for settling a year early. Im from 705 and we settled early on August 1st with a far better contract than what the National did. We recived an extra week of vacation plus one additional paid optional day. Members would have benefited more if they would have waited. One thing I can tell you is that UPS members will not vote for Hoffa.

Under Hoffas watch he has raised the probationary time from 2 years to hit top pay to 3 years, he has changed the understanding of language from 9.5 from the 2002 contract even though the language stayed the same. He has stood by and watched thousands of 22.3 fulltime good paying jobs get elimnated, these same jobs we earned by going on strike in 97. He has not addressed the starting pay for part timers under 2 contracts that he had a chance to. He took away medical benefits from newly hired part timers. He has allowed UPS to start using technology to discipline employees.

Your right that Fred holds some blame as well for some of the stuff that has happened under this amdin. At this point you have alot of people that will not vote for Hoffa no matter whos on his slate, but right now fred is not winning any votes either. If fred is serious he needs to get off his ass!!!!

SHIT TALKER AND 705UPS DONT KNOW SHIT!

POSHTOWSKI IS THE BIGGEST TDUER IN THE UNION!

POSHTOWSKI WISHES HE WAS A REAL TEAMSTER LIKE GEGARE!

LOCAL 705 SUCKS!

ITS TIME YOU IDIOTS WOKE UP!

HOFFA IS ALL DONE!

VOTE FOR A TEAMSTER!

VOTE THE GEGARE SLATE!

[SHIFTALKER]

From July 18 2010 - 08:56 AM:

Shift you speak on how lucky UPS members were for settling a year early. Im from 705 and we settled early on August 1st with a far better contract than what the National did. We recived an extra week of vacation plus one additional paid optional day. Members would have benefited more if they would have waited. One thing I can tell you is that UPS members will not vote for Hoffa.

Under Hoffas watch he has raised the probationary time from 2 years to hit top pay to 3 years, he has changed the understanding of language from 9.5 from the 2002 contract even though the language stayed the same. He has stood by and watched thousands of 22.3 fulltime good paying jobs get elimnated, these same jobs we earned by going on strike in 97. He has not addressed the starting pay for part timers under 2 contracts that he had a chance to. He took away medical benefits from newly hired part timers. He has allowed UPS to start using technology to discipline employees.

Your right that Fred holds some blame as well for some of the stuff that has happened under this amdin. At this point you have alot of people that will not vote for Hoffa no matter whos on his slate, but right now fred is not winning any votes either. If fred is serious he needs to get off his ass!!!!

705upser,

Our contract has always bested the national, that is no surprise. We had the advantage of being able to hold out once the national was settled and use the leverage that being in the center of the country affords us. Steve is smart and is not afraid to use that leverage when he has got it.

Ken Hall, with the support of powerful local union leaders, has done a good job when you look at the UPS contract as a whole. You can pick apart any contract and the horse trading that takes place during all negotiations and just focus on what was given up. Hall and his committee were able to get increases in wages and benefits of $9 per worker per hour over the life of the contract. This was in an environment where workers were getting screwed right and left. I’m not willing to knock leaders like Hall, Steve and local leaders like Marty Freitas because I know how hard they worked on the contract. We shouldn’t go slamming our Teamster leaders at UPS, we should just hope they use our contract as a starting point next time.

To be honest, I was never a Hoffa man until Gegare announced he was running against him. I can not stand Fred Gegare and what he has done to my brothers here in Illinois. We will see whether UPSers will vote for Hoffa or not. If he has Ken Hall and Steve Pocztowski on his slate, he’ll certainly get my vote over a rat like Gegare.

[Barking Dog]

SHIFTALKER, on July 19 2010 - 07:19 AM, said:

705upser,

Our contract has always bested the national, that is no surprise. We had the advantage of being able to hold out once the national was settled and use the leverage that being in the center of the country affords us. Steve is smart and is not afraid to use that leverage when he has got it.

Ken Hall, with the support of powerful local union leaders, has done a good job when you look at the UPS contract as a whole. You can pick apart any contract and the horse trading that takes place during all negotiations and just focus on what was given up. Hall and his committee were able to get increases in wages and benefits of $9 per worker per hour over the life of the contract. This was in an environment where workers were getting screwed right and left. I’m not willing to knock leaders like Hall, Steve and local leaders like Marty Freitas because I know how hard they worked on the contract. We shouldn’t go slamming our Teamster leaders at UPS, we should just hope they use our contract as a starting point next time.

To be honest, I was never a Hoffa man until Gegare announced he was running against him. I can not stand Fred Gegare and what he has done to my brothers here in Illinois. We will see whether UPSers will vote for Hoffa or not. If he has Ken Hall and Steve Pocztowski on his slate, he’ll certainly get my vote over a rat like Gegare.

You should look at what Ken Hall agreed to in secret and under tha table with UPS to get the contrcats signed. A verbal (never voted on) agrement to not do any organzing at UPS Supply Chain and UPS Logistcs. The sell out of central states pension for card check at UPS Freight. Hall is nothing more than a Lets Make a Deal Ken Hall. He should be asahmed of himself after all these yaers and negotiations of the entrey level wage for parttimers and the agreement of no hourly guarantee for air hub workers. Wher else in orgainized labor is the entry level wage so slose to getting passed uo by mimimun wage - only at UPS. I think the campaign slogan should be anybody but Hoffa.

[Rome/Hoffa2011]

BarkingDog, on July 19 2010 - 12:32 PM, said:

He should be asahmed of himself after all these yaers and negotiations of the entrey level wage for parttimers and the agreement of no hourly guarantee for air hub workers. Wher else in orgainized labor is the entry level wage so slose to getting passed uo by mimimun wage - only at UPS. I think the campaign slogan should be anybody but Hoffa.

Where else is the entry level wage so close to the minimum wage? Try an SEIU home health care worker, but you already knew that. Ken Hall has organized tens of thousands of members into the Teamsters. Paula Macchello hasn't organized anything. It's a shame the Teamsters pay her six figure salary for her to do SEIU's bidding in tearing down our union and our leaders.

[400lbsgorrilla]

Rome/Hoffa2011, on July 19 2010 - 01:40 PM, said:

Where else is the entry level wage so close to the minimum wage? Try an SEIU home health care worker, but you already knew that. Ken Hall has organized tens of thousands of members into the Teamsters. Paula Macchello hasn't organized anything. It's a shame the Teamsters pay her six figure salary for her to do SEIU's bidding in tearing down our union and our leaders.

When you picked your handle did you think that it would make you smarter? Just because you use Romes name dose not give you the right to spew this B"""S"""" you are putting out about Paula If you have proof then bring it out and let us see it, if you don't then stop the petty actuations, I am sure you know who I am so please pull me aside and show me what you have or stop now !!!! PLEASE PICK WHICH WAY YOU WANT TO GO CAREFULLY.

[Rome/Hoffa2011]

400lbsgorrilla, on July 19 2010 - 02:26 PM, said:

When you picked your handle did you think that it would make you smarter? Just because you use Romes name dose not give you the right to spew this B"""S"""" you are putting out about Paula If you have proof then bring it out and let us see it, if you don't then stop the petty actuations, I am sure you know who I am so please pull me aside and show me what you have or stop now !!!! PLEASE PICK WHICH WAY YOU WANT TO GO CAREFULLY.

Pick which way I want to go carefully huh? I know Rome has found out people's identities from Phil on this website, so is that a THREAT?

[400lbsgorrilla]

Rome/Hoffa2011, on July 19 2010 - 03:48 PM, said:

Pick which way I want to go carefully huh? I know Rome has found out people's identities from Phil on this website, so is that a THREAT?

You can take it how ever you want to I have asked you nicely to show what you have or to stop slandering Paula and Mary Kay. If you don't want to show me what you have then shut the hell up . I have told you how to get in touch with me so I hope you look me up.

[yougottabekiddin]

Anyone who would even attempt to defend the SHIT thrown around by Barking Dog can kiss my fucking ass. Fuck you you fucking piece of fucking shit. If that isn't clear enough for you Paula then I don't know how to make it any clearer. Maybe you should pull your head up from between Mary Kays fucking knees and look around. Your feeble attempts to destroy OUR Union are worthless and futile. Go away and take your SEIU/TDU agenda with you you fucking pig.

[Rome/Hoffa2011]

Ask yourself this question. How was so much information about the janitors at the IBT building able to find its way to Teamsternet? From what I heard, nobody at the highest levels of the IBT could figure out the leak because only Dick Bell and Leo Deaner knew about the contract. Nobody probably would have figured it out had Mary Kay Henry not risen to the top spot at SEIU and her long-term relationship with Paula not been publicized. Of course the janitors were represented by SEIU so somebody at the highest levels of that union would have been privy to the negotiations and its details.

I also like the dig at Keegel for getting a new Cadillac.

IBT Janitors