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[unionbustersandtrollsout]

just learning how to use the website and reading old threads to understand the current situation.

Until now I haven't looked at the loss of pensions and 401Ks from the perspective on Teamster politics....and to tell you the truth I don't believe 90% of the comments here because I believe unionbusters are dropping blame/attack tactics then watch as we fight amongst ourselves.

Didn't Wallstreet create this pension crisis???

WTF?

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[unionbustersandtrollsout]

Isn't Keegel saying to Hoffa and the Teamsters "Wall street insiders will infiltrate the Teamsters the same way they've infilitrated Washington"?

The reason we need to keep it by and for Teamsters is because of empathy. If you work a Teamster job for 20+ years your less likely to turn your back on a brother.

Wall street has robbed people's 401ks, pensions and home values. They want their hands on medicare and social security. They know the union is the last line of defense. We'll protect ourselves and our union.

Imagine you spend your whole life working a shit, hard job. You look forward to retirement. But nothings there. Your home is not paid for or worse its underwater. You are still living pay check to pay check and you feel like shit cause you've worked so damn hard. Then they say that you can't get medical treatment.

Some of us can't rely on family because our family is just as hard up as we are....outsiders don't get it. Its let 'them eat cake'.

I think that's Keegel's warning. He's saying that outsiders don't get how hard it is for the working class. Its just going to get harder and we need leadership that will never sell out its membership.

I'm really upset about what Obama is doing with this Guest Workers on Wheels program. I think its time to organize a national strike. We better have unity. Now is the time for solidarity. The fighting has to stop.

The War on Workers is ON!!

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unionbustersandtrollsout, on September 03 2011 - 08:31 PM, said:

Isn't Keegel saying to Hoffa and the Teamsters "Wall street insiders will infiltrate the Teamsters the same way they've infilitrated Washington"?

The reason we need to keep it by and for Teamsters is because of empathy. If you work a Teamster job for 20+ years your less likely to turn your back on a brother.

Wall street has robbed people's 401ks, pensions and home values. They want their hands on medicare and social security. They know the union is the last line of defense. We'll protect ourselves and our union.

Imagine you spend your whole life working a shit, hard job. You look forward to retirement. But nothings there. Your home is not paid for or worse its underwater. You are still living pay check to pay check and you feel like shit cause you've worked so damn hard. Then they say that you can't get medical treatment.

Some of us can't rely on family because our family is just as hard up as we are....outsiders don't get it. Its let 'them eat cake'.

I think that's Keegel's warning. He's saying that outsiders don't get how hard it is for the working class. Its just going to get harder and we need leadership that will never sell out its membership.

I'm really upset about what Obama is doing with this Guest Workers on Wheels program. I think its time to organize a national strike. We better have unity. Now is the time for solidarity. The fighting has to stop.

The War on Workers is ON!!

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[unionbustersandtrollsout]

Tell me? What the hell is going on with my pension? What the **** are we, united as Teamsters, going to do about this?



Don't think that because you are on the other end of a sinking ship that you are safe. If you are safe, will your kids be safe? I'm sick of the nonsense. We need to reframe and redirect the discussion.

[inthegame]

unionbustersandtrollsout, on September 27 2011 - 07:22 PM, said:

Tell me? What the hell is going on with my pension? What the **** are we, united as Teamsters, going to do about this?



Don't think that because you are on the other end of a sinking ship that you are safe. If you are safe, will your kids be safe? I'm sick of the nonsense. We need to reframe and redirect the discussion.

Keegels warning is on the money (pardon the pun). DRIVE money is important, votes from union members are important, but nothing concerns big money(corporate America) more than union pension plans and the ability of diligent trustees to use that money wisely to effect change. Corporate America's think tanks spend a fortune selling the notion of American individualism in a veiled attempt to eliminate the security of multi-employer pensions. IRA's and 401K's are great but you're on your own when it all falls apart. No one is able to individually get the professional management pensions provide. Privatizing Social Security is just another phase of the attack, trying to convince the uninformed citizenry to buy their sinister snake oil.

I strongly objected to allowing UPS to leave the CS Pension Plan (and especially to allow non participants to vote on that phase of the contract). We went on strike in '97 to stop their proposed takeover of pensions only to have our leaders GIVE it away last contract. Of course the members voted it in but few saw the long term ramifications that are now becoming evident. That was the leaderships job, and they failed. That offer should not have been presented to our members, it was like candy offered to kids. Responsible visionary leadership was lacking. I'm bewildered and irritated that so many intelligent leaders missed this. James R Hoffa would never have agreed to this blunder.

[unionbustersandtrollsout]

Thank you, inthegame, for sharing your knowledge and for watching out for the membership. I know what you mean about giving candy to children. I feel this way about the credit card offers that come in the mail every other day. Or the offers to give away my house for a low interest rate. This needs to stop. Why do I get asked to open a credit card ever time I go to Target? I shop at Cub since we, SuperValu, do business with them. They never ask me to open a credit card. Its a regulation, consumer protection, issue.

As far as pension vs. 401K. I am no expert. Most people I know don't have a pension. The selling point is that experts take care of this for you. I am not one for sitting back then blaming others when mistakes happen. But when you have small children, are working over 60 hours a week, have a dog, (my wife just had surgery after years of not knowing what was wrong with her), a house....you can't always helm the ship.

In the video above it says to be prepared. This has a whole other meaning when it comes to trade unionists. My only hope is that every local is preparing themselves and that we come together after this October election.

[SOCAL IN 10RC]

I was at the 2011 convention and Mr. Keegel was at all of Mr. Hoffa`s events.If he is supporting fred and dumping Hoffa as you say why did Mr. Keegel attend all of Hoffa`s events at the convention? Mr. Keegel never one word about fred but he did say and i quote " YOUR PRESIDENT, MY PRESIDENT JIMMY HOFFA" thats a dam strong message to you TDU and Gegare lovers. 2011 IS HOFFA/HALL

[unionbustersandtrollsout]

social --- I recognize that this thread is not entirely accurate, as far as the title, Keegel Dumps Hoffa. I picked this thread because of the content, i.e. the speculation about our pension. I can only judge based on the letter written by Keegel himself. It goes without saying that t-net should be taken with a grain of salt.

You are wrong about TDU. I've only heard about them years ago, and it wasn't even from a fellow Teamster. It was from a community member when talking about democracy in unions.

Sandy can come and go. Nobody will talk about it. Nobody talks about T-net, either. Not once. I found the defamatory thread while on the internet. I owe my marriage, life, house, etc. to the Teamsters so I decided to respond and join the discussion. If I feel like it is degenerating, I will leave the discussion. This is not a threat or due to intimidation, brother.

[SOCAL IN 10RC]

Let`s be honest Unionbuster you put the thred up to get people to look at this. Im sure that over their long working relationship Keegel and Hoffa have not always seen eye to eye on everything but for you to put up that thread you are missleading people.

I am not wrong about tdu they are trying to destroy our union. If you have ever tried to Organize a nonunion company you would understand why I HATE tdu, the antiunion lawyers get alot of information form tdu and use it to scare the **** out of nonuinon workers. they only want to bring up anything that is negitive about our union they never try to help solve anything and if you think their a joke and nobody will talk about them you underestimate them!!!!! I`m sure people never thought that Hitler and the Nazi`s would win and look how that turned out

[unionbustersandtrollsout]

right. i can see your point. start a new thread about this economic crisis and the scapegoating of unions and I will be more than happy to comment/read your posts there. let's get beyond this, 'you suck ****' ..... 'no, you suck ****'......bullshit

i believe you about tdu. I find it suspicious that they won't reveal their financial records. I have read shaman's posts about opening up the panels and his calls for transparency. I understand shaman's concerns but many people have posted good points about their hypocrisy and their own lack of transparency.

With all **** on the internet, you can't get by without skepticism and critical thinking.

if you want me to post about the threat of wall street profittering off of our pensions on another thread, I can do that. we just need a good lead, you know?

and what's up with nobody looking at threads unless there's mudslinging?

[inthegame]

SOCAL, Keegel did write the letter. And I saw him talking to Gegare in Vegas. He did say everything you've stated from the podium because I believe he really wanted unity. He's a stand up guy that realizes how dangerous of a time we're in politically and tried to get us together. I wish he would have been successful.
Unionbusterandtrollsout is also a stand up guy that fought for collective bargaining rights last winter in the streets of Madison. Local 120 had a large presence assisting their brothers and sisters in Wisconsin. While some of our leaders made photo stops, hundreds of Teamsters from all over the midwest protested daily led by some of those same delegates that were booed at the Convention. That hurt. To see (hear) that reaction to guys who stood in the cold for weeks trying to save the union way of life for all of us to get that reception was troubling. Anyway I agree with your comments regarding TDU. One of my favorite expressions is "It's a lot harder to fix a broken window than it is to throw the stones". Some of us are fixing windows every day, and TDU just keeps throwing more stones.

[unionbustersandtrollsout]

inthegame, I have a lot of family in Fond du lac, Wisconsin. We, my family (yes, I gave my dad a megaphone for father's day), helped oust Hopper and get in Jessica King. We won that recall. Yes, it was an easier election than most. King nearly won the first time and it came out that Hopper had an affair. Even his ex-wife signed the recall

we are in hard times. I cannot tell you how good it felt to be with my fellow Teamsters on that bus and how good it felt to cross the Minnesota border knowing that we have Mark Dayton and not Tom Emmers. We are a union town and a union state.

We have so many allies out there and we have each others back. They will do anything to tear us apart.

My dad was on the bus with the teachers union. They were not nearly as rowdy as the Teamsters bus, to be sure. I take pride in that rowdiness, so long as no windows get broken

[SOCAL IN 10RC]

inthegame, on September 28 2011 - 02:27 PM, said:

SOCAL, Keegel did write the letter. And I saw him talking to Gegare in Vegas. He did say everything you've stated from the podium because I believe he really wanted unity. He's a stand up guy that realizes how dangerous of a time we're in politically and tried to get us together. I wish he would have been successful.
Unionbusterandtrollsout is also a stand up guy that fought for collective bargaining rights last winter in the streets of Madison. Local 120 had a large presence assisting their brothers and sisters in Wisconsin. While some of our leaders made photo stops, hundreds of Teamsters from all over the midwest protested daily led by some of those same delegates that were booed at the Convention. That hurt. To see (hear) that reaction to guys who stood in the cold for weeks trying to save the union way of life for all of us to get that reception was troubling. Anyway I agree with your comments regarding TDU. One of my favorite expressions is "It's a lot harder to fix a broken window than it is to throw the stones". Some of us are fixing windows every day, and TDU just keeps throwing more stones.

Inthegame
I never said that Mr. Keegel never wrote that letter, I was responding to the thred that Keegel dumps Hoffa. We are in a fight for who is going to lead our great union for the next five years and with regards to the booing they were not for the rank and file they were for a man that is running aginst Mr. Hoffa. Fred has been apart of his slate for a long time and now everything is bad, he is doing what you talked about throwing stones and not helping fix the window!!!!! How can you support a man who is not loyal? fred was one of the people who got Hoffa to run for GP in the first place. I take my hat off to the men and women in Wisconsin who are fighting scott walker and his agenda but you implied that Hoffa was their for a photo I don`t understand Fred was in FL and CA campaining when that bullshit started and Hoffa was fighting in Wisconsin. I can say we both agree about tdu. HOFFA/HALL 2011