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[Farley]

http://kaystreet.wor...ther-obama-doj/

How do FAUX Noise viewers continue to watch when their stories are proven to be dishonest? How deep does the denial run to allow someone to ignore the truth?
The ACORN tapes have now been seen in their entirety and the only criminal action was by O'Keefe and his girl friend, and the ACORN employee was going along to get information which was imediately reported to the police.
Now come the "Black Panther" lies, using old tapes of a few loud mouths, and it was the CHENEY/bush administration that declined to prosecute, so FAUX dishonestly blames it on Old Bama. Just a few examples of how dishonest America's reich wing media really is!

http://rawstory.com/...ow-okeefe-lied/

[jimbo]

Farley, on July 14 2010 - 08:58 AM, said:

http://kaystreet.wor...ther-obama-doj/

How do FAUX Noise viewers continue to watch when their stories are proven to be dishonest? How deep does the denial run to allow someone to ignore the truth?
The ACORN tapes have now been seen in their entirety and the only criminal action was by O'Keefe and his girl friend, and the ACORN employee was going along to get information which was imediately reported to the police.
Now come the "Black Panther" lies, using old tapes of a few loud mouths, and it was the CHENEY/bush administration that declined to prosecute, so FAUX dishonestly blames it on Old Bama. Just a few examples of how dishonest America's reich wing media really is!

http://rawstory.com/...ow-okeefe-lied/

So where is the lies? This is the problem liberal liers like you and Maddow, everyone is supposed to take your word at face value, and overlook such things as facts. Where is the police report these ACORN employees were supposed to filed? Nothing about this comes close to what anyone would consider as news reporting.

Maddow did make one true statement, "This is not meant to excuse what ACORN has done wrong in the past,".

ACORN is what the NAZI youth corps was to Hitler, and what the Red Guard was to communist China. ACORN is there to make sure there will never be a level playing field for anyone.

"The Raw Story" remains the top race baiting web site of it kind on the WWW and the most censored as far as opinion. Don't believe me? Try posting an opinion which does not have a bone to pick with, "whitey", "crackers", "white devils" and conservatives.

Thanks for flying your true colors Farley.

[jimbo]

Farley, on July 14 2010 - 08:58 AM, said:

http://kaystreet.wor...ther-obama-doj/

How do FAUX Noise viewers continue to watch when their stories are proven to be dishonest? How deep does the denial run to allow someone to ignore the truth?
The ACORN tapes have now been seen in their entirety and the only criminal action was by O'Keefe and his girl friend, and the ACORN employee was going along to get information which was imediately reported to the police.
Now come the "Black Panther" lies, using old tapes of a few loud mouths, and it was the CHENEY/bush administration that declined to prosecute, so FAUX dishonestly blames it on Old Bama. Just a few examples of how dishonest America's reich wing media really is!

http://rawstory.com/...ow-okeefe-lied/

So, the highlight of your complaint with the Black Panther's voter intimidation incident is............."they really were not Black Panthers after all, it was just a bunch of people pretending to be Black Panthers" ....Oh, how special is that?..... This makes your pro Black Panther argument even more shallow and ridiculous than your pro ACRON argument. Do you practice at this Farley?

[Farley]

jimbo, you tripped over your own bias and misinformation. NEVER did I state or imply that I was "pro Black Panther" by statement was to point out the lies of FAUX Noise regarding that story and their contrived ACORN sting, jimbo you need to learn to read with objectivity and not put your thoughts in others heads, because you will usually be wrong.....and jimbo, for example, here is an article showing the folly of ever voting for a goBPer, but do not assume that it is pro Old Bama or pro democratic party, because it is just what it says, why not to vote for goBPers.

http://www.huffingto...ent=FeatureMore

[jimbo]

Farley, on July 15 2010 - 09:03 AM, said:

jimbo, you tripped over your own bias and misinformation. NEVER did I state or imply that I was "pro Black Panther" by statement was to point out the lies of FAUX Noise regarding that story and their contrived ACORN sting, jimbo you need to learn to read with objectivity and not put your thoughts in others heads, because you will usually be wrong.....and jimbo, for example, here is an article showing the folly of ever voting for a goBPer, but do not assume that it is pro Old Bama or pro democratic party, because it is just what it says, why not to vote for goBPers.

http://www.huffingto...ent=FeatureMore

"and jimbo, for example, here is an article showing the folly of ever voting for a goBPer, but do not assume that it is pro Old Bama or pro democratic party"

Oh, of course not Farley. Whatever gave you that idea? Just because your are the first one on the scene to discredit anything which puts the democrats or Obama in a bad light. Whatever it takes, "pro Black Panther", "pro ACRON", whatever it takes to sell democrats as the good guys, we can count on you to do it.

The nerve of someone to think you are a Democrat or Obama supporter, where could they possibly get that idea?

[Farley]

jimbo, I am sorry that you cannot seem to pay attention or retain what you read. I need not go over all of the criticism I have leveled on the democratic party and on Old Bama, you would forget it by tomorrow anyway.

[jimbo]

Farley, on July 15 2010 - 05:40 PM, said:

jimbo, I am sorry that you cannot seem to pay attention or retain what you read. I need not go over all of the criticism I have leveled on the democratic party and on Old Bama, you would forget it by tomorrow anyway.

Oh, I get it!.... If it walks like a duck, .....quacks like a duck?..........It's a horse, right?

[egghead]

You failed to mention that Brown stated that ACORN had failed to “recruit, train and monitor its employees to ensure compliance [with state law,” ACORN had violated state civil laws in dumping 20,000 pages of records, four instances of “possible voter registration fraud in San Diego in connection with the 2008 election,” and failure to file a tax return for 2007.

What you manged to catch was -Brown had found that in their interactions with O’Keefe and Giles, ACORN broke no laws.--No shit shirlock--O'Keefe wasn't a pimp and his girlfriend wasn't a prostitute

and I find it interesting you failed to mention the Issa report

The Issa report states
Both structurally and operationally, ACORN hides behind a paper wall of nonprofit corporate protections to conceal a criminal conspiracy on the part of its directors, to launder federal money in order to pursue a partisan political agenda and to manipulate the American electorate.

Acorn
•Engaged in tax evasion, obstruction of justice and aiding and abetting a cover-up of nearly $1 million embezzled by Dale Rathke, brother of group founder Wade Rathke;
•Committed investment fraud
,depriving the public of the right to "honest services," and engaging in a racketeering enterprise affecting interstate commerce;
•Conspired to defraud the United States by using taxpayer dollars for partisan political activities;
•Submitted false filings to the Internal Revenue Service, and the U.S. Department of Labor; and,
•Violated the U.S. Fair Labor Standards Act.

Is it any wonder Acorn is no longer

So your fall back is fox was dishonest because O'Keefe framed Acorn in California--amazing

Lets move to the DOJ

The case the Bush DOJ didn’t file is irrelevant, as Fox is talking about the case they did file

After reviewing the matter, the Civil Rights Division determined that the facts did not constitute a prosecutable violation of the criminal statutes. The Department did, however, file a civil action on January 7th, 2009, seeking injunctive and declaratory relief under 11(b) against four defendants

What part of that is hard for you to understand Farley

[Farley]

eggy, are you really so dense that you cannot understand that FAUX Noise broadcast a dishonest item? and that O'Keefe broke the law? Did I say that ACORN was blameless? I said the law breaking was by O'Keefe and his girl friend and that FAUX Noise broadcast a dishonest show. Try all you want to divert attention from FAUX's dishonesty, and it changes NOTHING!

[stark]

If ACORN had of only bought Diebold when it was up for sale there may have been reason to gripe about the voter registration and the like.
FOX puts their conservative/Republican/Tea Party "spin" on everything they report. FOX stirs the pot of any political, racial, economic,or religious issue before the public then they defend their lies and deception by hiding behind the right to free speech or claim they are an "entertainment" network. FOX personalities are a bunch of hateful hypocrites that feed on the darker side of man to resist any compassion for ones fellow man.

You want proof?....Well, how else do you get people to act against what is in their best intrest, like Union members that actually defend a network that hates and despises Unions?

[egghead]

Your claim is "Fox is dishonest doesn't hold up with these two stories

The case the Bush DOJ didn’t file is irrelevant, as Fox is talking about the case they did file--and reported correctly that the Obama run DOJ dismissed the case--nothing dishonest

O'Keefe did break California law--maybe but thats still open to debate and we shall see with a lawsuit going on

but the Acorn workers "said what they said. There’s no way to make it look good.”--Fox wasn't dishonest--they aired the video of all the cities where Acorn workers fell all over themselves to help O'keefe and his girlfriend

you latch onto the left wing headlines of “Brown Releases Report Detailing a Litany of Problems with ACORN, But No Criminality,” and that supposedly proves Fox is dishonest-- duh. O’Keefe and Giles weren’t a real pimp and prostitute, so of course no laws were broken.

What were the segments found on the cutting room floor that got ACORN off the hook Farley? Brown doesn’t say, because they don’t exist. What really got ACORN off the hook is that O’Keefe and Giles aren’t a pimp and prostitute.

is fox news biased--perhaps that would be a more supportable claim

and Stark think there is a reason Fox news has 13 shows at the top of the ratings report-it amazes me Farley watches Fox I'm shocked

[stark]

Considering FOX outlets are far more accessible via radio/tv/ and cable...than any liberal or progressive programing they'd be a dismal failure to have any less than 13 shows at the top of the ratings. Their success is however, no indication that they are any more honest than any of the other main stream media. FOX just has more suckers that belive their tripe.

[egghead]

stark, on July 17 2010 - 02:58 PM, said:

Considering FOX outlets are far more accessible via radio/tv/ and cable...than any liberal or progressive programing they'd be a dismal failure to have any less than 13 shows at the top of the ratings. Their success is however, no indication that they are any more honest than any of the other main stream media. FOX just has more suckers that belive their tripe.

fox is more accessible? Fox news is available to 94,550 million households in the United States while CNN is available in over 96,927 U.S. households and MSNBC is available in over 91,593 million households in the United States (MSNBC has since climbed since FiOS added the channel in New York City and in New Jersey on February 2, 2010. Yet Fox news ratings are greater than CNN and MNSBC combined
http://tvbythenumber...-estimates/3659

In the last polling done in January of this year-- looking at perceptions of ABC News, CBS News, CNN, Fox News, and NBC News finds Fox as the only one that more people say they trust than distrust. 49% say they trust it to 37% who do not.

about honesty--Farley makes a claim that Fox news is dishonest--

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How do FAUX Noise viewers continue to watch when their stories are proven to be dishonest? How deep does the denial run to allow someone to ignore the truth?

--He links the proof of dishonesty--and when you read the proof

poof it isn't proof at all
"Fox News’ Lies – Bush’s Department Of Justice Dropped Panther Case…Not The Obama DOJ!"

wrong-The case the Bush DOJ didn’t file is irrelevant, as Fox is talking about the case they did file--and reported correctly that the Obama run DOJ dismissed the case--nothing dishonest

and then this revalation on Fox-"Maddow: Raw footage reveals O’Keefe lied about ACORN tapes"
"California Attorney Gerneral Jerry Brown released some of O'Keefe's raw footage"
"This is not meant to excuse what ACORN has done wrong in the past," Maddow concluded."

and finally Farley says "The ACORN tapes have now been seen in their entirety and the only criminal action was by O'Keefe and his girl friend, and the ACORN employee was going along to get information which was imediately reported to the police." (Which by the way could never be confirmed in the Brown investigation)

and Fox news was dishonest

The truth was and still is an an Acorn executive said--"they said what they said. There’s no way to make it look good.”Brown and California could not have a criminal case--Okeefe and girlfriend were not a pimp or prostitute--Brown found other civil and potentially criminal activites

Bottom line Fox was one of the only mainstream media outlets that investigated Acorn--found significant issues-reported them --while Congress did its own investigation and found

"Both structurally and operationally, ACORN hides behind a paper wall of nonprofit corporate protections to conceal a criminal conspiracy on the part of its directors, to launder federal money in order to pursue a partisan political agenda and to manipulate the American electorate."

I would say great job Fox--

[stark]

FOX has a lot more affiliates on talk radio and is far more accessible duing the day than TV! Rush Limbaugh is not even on TV yet he boasts over 13 million listeners. BTW...FOX is aired via cable in, hospital waiting rooms, doctors' office waiting rooms, hotel lobbies, truck stops, bars and about any other place that have an idiot box for public viewing.

FOX has plenty of "accessibility" other than a head count of households!

[Farley]

this is from 2004, and if you google FOX lies, there are hundreds of examples, one of the funniest was during the 2008 election in Pennsylvania when a FAUX reporter in a cafe by a show of hands asked who was voting for McLame and who was voting for Old Bama....and he called it "split" and the patrons all broke out in laughter at his dishonesty.

[egghead]

of course how stupid of me--Fox news TV ratings are high because of radio but then again no one listens to left wing pesonalities on the Radio anyway Talk radio is syndicated and is not affiliated with Fox--Fox news is nationally syndicated and has 5 minute news blurbs--Hannity's radio show for example is managed by ABC Radio Networks and Premiere Radio Networks

If Rush had a TV program he would be bigger than all the network newscasts combined based on that logic

[egghead]

Farley that was fair and balanced

You make a claim from a left wing blog which isn't true--and now you put on a compilation of news clips which shows what--Fox news anchors acting bad--if you want to talk about how news anchors distort the news you will have a pretty long list of you tube videos--

[Farley]

eggy, how typically dishonest of you to attack the messenger when the message doesn't fit your fantasy. However you know that reichwing radio has 9 hours of broadcast time for every hour of progressive radio, and that is because of media ownership being consolidated into a few hands (reichwing hands) and that progressive radio does quite well in many media markets, markets saturated with the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity etc. in fact Limbaugh is on several times a day in many markets. and eggy, Rush did have a TV program, and it failed miserably.
It is vert telling that there are many blogs and web sites that survive on revealing FOX's dishonesty......you may not like Olberman, but he does not lie, and that is more than can be said for the line-up over at Fox, except I do think Shep Smith does make an effort.

http://foxnewsboycott.com/tag/lies/

[egghead]

Farley I don't attack the messanger--I just point out bullcrap which is what you started with on this thread--and you were to lazy to look up the facts--

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Replying to latest fox lies, have they no shame?

and then when you can't back up your original claims--you link what a you tube sight says that starts out "Your mind is controlled by the rich who controls America's media-fox news techniques" and that shows me what Farley--that the site is I should take it seriously--let me give you a little of your own nonsense

Farley web sites that claim Olbermann are dishonest dwarf the fox stuff--and here are just a couple
http://www.olbermannwatch.com/



now you see Farley-I don't need left or right wing blogs to tell me what the truth is--I just research it for myself--and since I turned off the arrogant Olbermann during the last election when he basically gave up his integrity for Obama over Clinton in the primary's--I don't much care what he says

as for right wing radio--there is a reason it is on the air--it makes an enormous amount of money--like Fox News--Fox news makes a half a billion bucks a qtr Farley

People who proclaim liberal media bias are just not following the dollars Farley--Left wing radio and TV can't make money--in your left of center world you dream about Farley

[stark]

I stated that FOX was more accessible and it is....the key word was accessible and Farley is correct Limbaugh is on 3 different stations at one time in my area and ther is no liberal talk stations at all. FOX has all the exposure they need to spread their propaganda.