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[jimbo]

It is becoming increasingly clear to me that those supporting illegal immigration actually hate this country. I used to believe it was because ignorance or blindness that one would support Illegal immigration. Now I am not so sure.

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[SHIFTALKER]

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[size="3"]I is becoming increasingly clear to me that those supporting illegal immigration actually hate this country. I used to believe it was because ignorance or blindness that one would support Illegal immigration. Now I am not so sure.

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Jimbo,

I think you are going to have a problem with people accepting the statistics on your link. How can you expect people to believe stats from a group called the "Immigration Reform Examiner"? How about coming up with a link from a reputable source.

I don't think anybody supports "illegal immigration". People do however, support the immigrants. There is a difference. There would be no illegal immigration in this country if employers were punished for hiring illegals. When I was in college, I was traveling in Europe and wanted to live there for a year and work. But this was not possible because the laws were such that employers there could not legally hire me without being severely punished. Because of this, illegal immigration was not a problem in that country and I had to return home.

Ronald Reagan was the president who allowed illegal immigration to get out of hand in this country when he allowed two amnesties for illegals and we went from having 1 million illegals to around 5 million on his watch. This was done as a sop to business and to break unions. It was very effective. Due to the fact that we have had very pro-business presidents since Reagan, the amount of illegals has ballooned to 12 million or more. But make no mistake, it is physically impossible to arrest and deport 12 million illegals, not to mention that they are able to enter the country as fast as you put them out. Yet, if there were no employers to employ them, they would leave and go home on their own like I did when I was in Europe.

Illegal immigrants are basically being used as slave labor by businesses. Jimbo, be careful that you don't fall into the trap of blaming the slaves. It is the slaveowners who act with impunity and are the root cause of the problem.

I wonder if the Tea Party crowd would support increased government regulation and punishment of business to help solve this problem or if we'll just keep demonizing our brothers and sisters to the south and settle for the status quo?

[jimbo]

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Jimbo,

I think you are going to have a problem with people accepting the statistics on your link. How can you expect people to believe stats from a group called the "Immigration Reform Examiner"? How about coming up with a link from a reputable source.

I don't think anybody supports "illegal immigration". People do however, support the immigrants. There is a difference. There would be no illegal immigration in this country if employers were punished for hiring illegals. When I was in college, I was traveling in Europe and wanted to live there for a year and work. But this was not possible because the laws were such that employers there could not legally hire me without being severely punished. Because of this, illegal immigration was not a problem in that country and I had to return home.

Ronald Reagan was the president who allowed illegal immigration to get out of hand in this country when he allowed two amnesties for illegals and we went from having 1 million illegals to around 5 million on his watch. This was done as a sop to business and to break unions. It was very effective. Due to the fact that we have had very pro-business presidents since Reagan, the amount of illegals has ballooned to 12 million or more. But make no mistake, it is physically impossible to arrest and deport 12 million illegals, not to mention that they are able to enter the country as fast as you put them out. Yet, if there were no employers to employ them, they would leave and go home on their own like I did when I was in Europe.

Illegal immigrants are basically being used as slave labor by businesses. Jimbo, be careful that you don't fall into the trap of blaming the slaves. It is the slaveowners who act with impunity and are the root cause of the problem.

I wonder if the Tea Party crowd would support increased government regulation and punishment of business to help solve this problem or if we'll just keep demonizing our brothers and sisters to the south and settle for the status quo?
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[size="3"]So, your solution is what?..............You don't like my source? Perhaps you have a source that is " reputable"? .............

"I don't think anybody supports "illegal immigration." You are making a joke right? What the hell do you think the reason for this topic is? What the hell do you think the whole national controversy concerning illegal immigration is all about? You think is just a bunch of dumb Americans who don't know the difference between legal and illegal immigration? Is that what you think? The statement("I don't think anybody supports "illegal immigration.") is beyond just being naive and ridiculous, it is an out right bold faced lie. You would have to have been living in a cave for most of your life to believe that.

This is a fricking American issue, not a dumb ass tea party issue. Fricking liberals always try to make something less by claiming it's just the "tea party" crowd who have a problem with illegal immigration and no one else. So, if an American doesn't like being overrun with illegals, it's just because he is a "tea bagger"..... Get the fu*k out of here!

I have no, "brothers and sisters" south of the border. But I am sure you do. Every illegal shithead in this country is your brother and sister, like the ones who were rioting in Pheonix AZ yesterday.

Again, what is your solutiuon? ..... You have none. What is your message, Americans should just just accept their fate of being overwelmed with illegals and do nothing about it?

I am not blaming the slaves as you call it. I am blaming the illegal aliens and those who support them.

You don't need a crystal ball to tell you who will, and who will never come up with a solution to illegal immigration. Any and every solution to deal with illegal immigration will come from the Conservative Right. The rotten to the core, liberal left have proven time and time again they can offer no solutions. Indeed, the liberal left is incapable of even uttering the words, "Illegal Alien". To expect a solution to illegal immigration from the left would be like expecting a solution to National Socialism from Adolf Hitler.

The topic I started this thread off with, "that those supporting illegal immigration actually hate this country." Still stands. And your post shifttaker, only adds to it

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[SHIFTALKER]

[size="3"]So, your solution is what?..............You don't like my source? Perhaps you have a source that is " reputable"? .............

"I don't think anybody supports "illegal immigration." You are making a joke right? What the hell do you think the reason for this topic is? What the hell do you think the whole national controversy concerning illegal immigration is all about? You think it's some kind of conspiracy to get rid of LEGAL immigrants? That statement("I don't think anybody supports "illegal immigration.") is beyond just naive and ridiculous, it is an out right bold faced lie. You would have to have been living in a cave for most of your life to believe that.

This is a fricking American issue, not a dumb ass tea party issue. Fricking liberals always try to make something less by claiming it's just the "tea party" crown who have an issue with illegal immigration and no one else. So, if an American doesn't like being overrun with illegals, it's just because he is a "tea bagger". Get the fu*k out of here!

I have no, "brothers and sisters" south of the border. But I am sure you do. Every illegal shithead in this country is your brother and sister, like the ones who were rioting in Pheonix AZ yesterday.

Again, what is your solutiuon? ..... You have none. What is your message, Americans should just just accept their fate of being overwelmed with illegals and do nothing about it?

The topic I started this thread off with, "that those supporting illegal immigration actually hate this country." Still stands. And your post shifttaker, only adds to it

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HAHAHAHA, Jimbo, are you really THAT dense?

My SOLUTION, as I stated for all to see (but I guess you are just blind) is to SEVERELY punish employers who hire illegals.

Do I need to say it again so you can catch it for the fifth time? My SOLUTION is to SEVERELY punish employers who hire illegals. Got it?

I would think somebody like you who is posting on a union board could get their pea brain around the concept that big business is at the heart of this problem, but hey, you're obviously a fuckin' jagoff and talking to you is like talking to a wall.

What is your solution? I can guess. Post idiotic statistics from a website you probably started. What was that statistic on your website? Illegal immigrants are responsible for 97% of the homicides in LA? Please forgive me if I don't take your "FIREANDREAMITCHELL.COM" website at its word. I guess I'm not as stupid as you.

But keep up the good work demonizing people who are being exploited. You are doing God's work Jimbo! HAHAHAHAHA

[egghead]

Arizona and Mississippi, require all employers to use E-Verify--The Internet-based program checks information provided by new hires against Social Security Administration and Homeland Security databases to confirm they are U.S. citizens or lawful permanent residents of the country.

"the program couldn't confirm whether information workers were presenting was their own, and, as a result, "many unauthorized workers obtain employment by committing identity fraud that cannot be detected by E-Verify," Westat told the department. Westat put the "inaccuracy rate for unauthorized workers" at about 54%."
http://online.wsj.co...2830174374.html

We have laws that punish employers for hiring alien workers--We even have severe laws that punish these companies-but labor laws prevent companies from doing a lot once they have identification

and that my friend is why it just isn't as simple as "SEVERELY punish employers who hire illegals" Europe has the same problem--your issue was you were honest

[jimbo]

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[size="3"]So, your solution is what?..............You don't like my source? Perhaps you have a source that is " reputable"? .............

"I don't think anybody supports "illegal immigration." You are making a joke right? What the hell do you think the reason for this topic is? What the hell do you think the whole national controversy concerning illegal immigration is all about? You think it's some kind of conspiracy to get rid of LEGAL immigrants? That statement("I don't think anybody supports "illegal immigration.") is beyond just naive and ridiculous, it is an out right bold faced lie. You would have to have been living in a cave for most of your life to believe that.

This is a fricking American issue, not a dumb ass tea party issue. Fricking liberals always try to make something less by claiming it's just the "tea party" crown who have an issue with illegal immigration and no one else. So, if an American doesn't like being overrun with illegals, it's just because he is a "tea bagger". Get the fu*k out of here!

I have no, "brothers and sisters" south of the border. But I am sure you do. Every illegal shithead in this country is your brother and sister, like the ones who were rioting in Pheonix AZ yesterday.

Again, what is your solutiuon? ..... You have none. What is your message, Americans should just just accept their fate of being overwelmed with illegals and do nothing about it?

The topic I started this thread off with, "that those supporting illegal immigration actually hate this country." Still stands. And your post shifttaker, only adds to it

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HAHAHAHA, Jimbo, are you really THAT dense?

My SOLUTION, as I stated for all to see (but I guess you are just blind) is to SEVERELY punish employers who hire illegals.

Do I need to say it again so you can catch it for the fifth time? My SOLUTION is to SEVERELY punish employers who hire illegals. Got it?

I would think somebody like you who is posting on a union board could get their pea brain around the concept that big business is at the heart of this problem, but hey, you're obviously a fuckin' jagoff and talking to you is like talking to a wall.

What is your solution? I can guess. Post idiotic statistics from a website you probably started. What was that statistic on your website? Illegal immigrants are responsible for 97% of the homicides in LA? Please forgive me if I don't take your "FIREANDREAMITCHELL.COM" website at its word. I guess I'm not as stupid as you.

But keep up the good work demonizing people who are being exploited. You are doing God's work Jimbo! HAHAHAHAHA
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[size="3"]If you would actually read these boards before actually commenting on them, shitaker, RPM or whatever other handle you use you would find, I am all for anyone verifing that another is legal in this country prior hiring them for anything. Even mowing your lawn. But guess who is against this? Yes, as usual it is the liberal left screatching about racial profiling, discrimination.

I know it's a little hard for a sh*t for brains liberal to contemplate but...... The liberal will never have a vialable solution to illegal immigration. You are dumber than a box of nails if you think the liberal left is going to sit by and allow employers to ask for proper ID before hiring illegals. It simply aint' going to happen.

Again, for the umteenth time solutions to illegal immigration will never, ever, come from the liberal left.

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[SHIFTALKER]

[quote name='jimbo' date='April 27 2010 - 08:39 PM' timestamp='1272415181' post='277145']
HAHAHAHA, Jimbo, are you really THAT dense?

My SOLUTION, as I stated for all to see (but I guess you are just blind) is to SEVERELY punish employers who hire illegals.

Do I need to say it again so you can catch it for the fifth time? My SOLUTION is to SEVERELY punish employers who hire illegals. Got it?

I would think somebody like you who is posting on a union board could get their pea brain around the concept that big business is at the heart of this problem, but hey, you're obviously a fuckin' jagoff and talking to you is like talking to a wall.

What is your solution? I can guess. Post idiotic statistics from a website you probably started. What was that statistic on your website? Illegal immigrants are responsible for 97% of the homicides in LA? Please forgive me if I don't take your "FIREANDREAMITCHELL.COM" website at its word. I guess I'm not as stupid as you.

But keep up the good work demonizing people who are being exploited. You are doing God's work Jimbo! HAHAHAHAHA
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[size="3"]If you would actually read these boards before actually commenting on them, shitaker, RPM or whatever other handle you use you would find, I am all for anyone verifing that another is legal in this country prior hiring them for anything. Even mowing your lawn. But guess who is against this? Yes, as usual it is the liberal left screatching about racial profiling, discrimination.

I know it's a little hard for a sh*t for brains liberal to contemplate but...... The liberal will never have a vialable solution to illegal immigration. You are dumber than a box of nails if you think the liberal left is going to sit by and allow employers to ask for proper ID before hiring illegals. It simply aint' going to happen.

Again, for the umteenth time solutions to illegal immigration will never, ever, come from the liberal left.

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Well Jimbo, if you think the Conservative Right is going to demand enforcing laws that punish business for hiring illegals, you'll have to wait for the end of time.

Everything the Right does is for business.

Illegal immigration had its peak during Reagan. During that era, Cesar Chavez, Walter Mondale and Ralph Abernathy marched to the border protesting illegal immigration and how the bosses were using illegals to cut the pay of the Farmworkers members. That group is about as "left" as there is. There was nobody on the "right" down there to support the workers.

Keep living in your fantasyland Jimbo. It must be a Paradise where Sherry Henry frolics in the nude and you dance around a stake with Farley's head on top of it. God, I just hope you don't have kids.

[jimbo]

[quote name='SHIFTALKER' date='April 27 2010 - 06:08 PM' timestamp='1272416928' post='277149']
[size="3"]If you would actually read these boards before actually commenting on them, shitaker, RPM or whatever other handle you use you would find, I am all for anyone verifing that another is legal in this country prior hiring them for anything. Even mowing your lawn. But guess who is against this? Yes, as usual it is the liberal left screatching about racial profiling, discrimination.

I know it's a little hard for a sh*t for brains liberal to contemplate but...... The liberal will never have a vialable solution to illegal immigration. You are dumber than a box of nails if you think the liberal left is going to sit by and allow employers to ask for proper ID before hiring illegals. It simply aint' going to happen.

Again, for the umteenth time solutions to illegal immigration will never, ever, come from the liberal left.

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Well Jimbo, if you think the Conservative Right is going to demand enforcing laws that punish business for hiring illegals, you'll have to wait for the end of time.

Everything the Right does is for business.

Illegal immigration had its peak during Reagan. During that era, Cesar Chavez, Walter Mondale and Ralph Abernathy marched to the border protesting illegal immigration and how the bosses were using illegals to cut the pay of the Farmworkers members. That group is about as "left" as there is. There was nobody on the "right" down there to support the workers.

Keep living in your fantasyland Jimbo. It must be a Paradise where Sherry Henry frolics in the nude and you dance around a stake with Farley's head on top of it. God, I just hope you don't have kids.
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[size="3"]"Sherry Henry frolics in the nude and you dance around a stake with Farley's head on top of it." Now there is a picture not in any of my files. Interesting, very interesting. Oh, what the hell, if it's OK with Farley and Sherry Henry, it's OK with me.

If it's true, "everything the right does is for business." then it is also true everything the left does is for "feelings" or emotions, NOT results.

Wrong Shiftaker the single biggest contributation to illegal immigration was not Ronald Regan but Ted Kennedy [/size][size="3"]in his authorship of the 1965 "Immigration Reform Act[/size][size="3"]. Though this legislation dealt with adding "legal" immigrants, it provided the justification for the influx of illegal immigrants Ted Kennedy's contribution to the destruction of this country through immigration trumps all other attempts.

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"The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, or preventing all possibility of its continuing as a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities."[/size][size="3"] [/size]

[egghead]

I have an idea for Arizona cops--

cops could ask someone for proof that they have health insurance first, before asking if they’re in the country legally.--that way we can violate everyone's rights equally

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egghead, on April 28 2010 - 09:09 AM, said:

I have an idea for Arizona cops--

cops could ask someone for proof that they have health insurance first, before asking if they’re in the country legally.--that way we can violate everyone's rights equally

egghead,

Just curious, do you think citizens should be forced by the government to buy auto insurance if they are going to drive a car?

[stark]

Well, this is priceless we all see a need to do something about illegals, but are too politically devided to reach a senible solution!

SHIFTALKER, is right what good does it do to round up illegals and send them back across the border (which is a process that requires more jails judges and courts to process) if they are just giong to turn around nd come back.
Also, seems pretty clear that we are not going to defend the border with deadly force, and on the otherhand we aren't going to get tough with employers that hire illegals, which would be the cheapest route to take for the taxpayers. Employers that hire illegals should face the same penalties as the black market traitors did during WWII, after all we are still a country at war! Guess, that would be asking too much as well.

BTW..We could put a dent in illegals by shutting down these check cashing places, title pawn, and pay day loan places, but, these "businessmen" may end up back in their countries of origin as well.

[jimbo]

stark, on April 28 2010 - 04:51 PM, said:

Well, this is priceless we all see a need to do something about illegals, but are too politically devided to reach a senible solution!

SHIFTALKER, is right what good does it do to round up illegals and send them back across the border (which is a process that requires more jails judges and courts to process) if they are just giong to turn around nd come back.
Also, seems pretty clear that we are not going to defend the border with deadly force, and on the otherhand we aren't going to get tough with employers that hire illegals, which would be the cheapest route to take for the taxpayers. Employers that hire illegals should face the same penalties as the black market traitors did during WWII, after all we are still a country at war! Guess, that would be asking too much as well.

BTW..We could put a dent in illegals by shutting down these check cashing places, title pawn, and pay day loan places, but, these "businessmen" may end up back in their countries of origin as well.

Whatever works!

Status quo is none sustainable. I am glad we can all agree on that. There are people out there that haven't even made it that far. The first step in remedying any problem is acknowledging that a problem exists.

[egghead]

SHIFTALKER, on April 28 2010 - 03:24 PM, said:

egghead,

Just curious, do you think citizens should be forced by the government to buy auto insurance if they are going to drive a car?

absolutely-you must protect the other driver and any third party in all cars

Though you can have a drivers license and still not have auto insurance (one can maintain a license but not auto insurance if he or she does not plan to drive a car)Auto insurance is but one price that must be paid in order to enjoy the privilege of driving. (one can opt out of auto insurance by not driving)

Health insurance on the other hand will require that, in exchange for the privilege of living you must have insurance-The only opt out is death

So therefore it will be the best form of identification in America--If your American and alive you must have health insurance and if you can't produce a card --your illegal

[stark]

Even a law mandating auto insurance doesn't always work. Remember that illegal that racked up over a million dollar hospital bill after being in an auto accident and had no auto or health insurance. The tax payers footed that bill, just like they do for the illegals that work here for employers that don't want to hire Americans and have to create access to a group insurance plan. That's another reason that employers that hire illegals should be delt with harshly...Enjoy capitalism all you like but don't expect to take in the profits and shove your personal responsibility as an employer off on everybody else.

My nephew owns an auto repair shop and has a group health insurance on his employees, so does mega company UPS, if they can find a way to insure their work force other employers big or small should be able to do the same damn thing.

[HAZ]

name='SHIFTALKER' date='April 28 2010 - 12:08 PM' timestamp='1272416928' post='277149']
If you would actually read these boards before actually commenting on them, shitaker, RPM or whatever other handle you use you would find, I am all for anyone verifing that another is legal in this country prior hiring them for anything. Even mowing your lawn. But guess who is against this? Yes, as usual it is the liberal left screatching about racial profiling, discrimination.

I know it's a little hard for a sh*t for brains liberal to contemplate but...... The liberal will never have a vialable solution to illegal immigration. You are dumber than a box of nails if you think the liberal left is going to sit by and allow employers to ask for proper ID before hiring illegals. It simply aint' going to happen.

Again, for the umteenth time solutions to illegal immigration will never, ever, come from the liberal left.



Well Jimbo, if you think the Conservative Right is going to demand enforcing laws that punish business for hiring illegals, you'll have to wait for the end of time.

Everything the Right does is for business.

Illegal immigration had its peak during Reagan. During that era, Cesar Chavez, Walter Mondale and Ralph Abernathy marched to the border protesting illegal immigration and how the bosses were using illegals to cut the pay of the Farmworkers members. That group is about as "left" as there is. There was nobody on the "right" down there to support the workers.

Keep living in your fantasyland Jimbo. It must be a Paradise where Sherry Henry frolics in the nude and you dance around a stake with Farley's head on top of it. God, I just hope you don't have kids.

Right on! SHIFTALKER

[jimbo]

HAZ, on April 29 2010 - 11:40 AM, said:

name='SHIFTALKER' post='277149' date='April 28 2010 - 12:08 PM' timestamp='1272416928']
If you would actually read these boards before actually commenting on them, shitaker, RPM or whatever other handle you use you would find, I am all for anyone verifing that another is legal in this country prior hiring them for anything. Even mowing your lawn. But guess who is against this? Yes, as usual it is the liberal left screatching about racial profiling, discrimination.

I know it's a little hard for a sh*t for brains liberal to contemplate but...... The liberal will never have a vialable solution to illegal immigration. You are dumber than a box of nails if you think the liberal left is going to sit by and allow employers to ask for proper ID before hiring illegals. It simply aint' going to happen.

Again, for the umteenth time solutions to illegal immigration will never, ever, come from the liberal left.



Well Jimbo, if you think the Conservative Right is going to demand enforcing laws that punish business for hiring illegals, you'll have to wait for the end of time.

Everything the Right does is for business.

Illegal immigration had its peak during Reagan. During that era, Cesar Chavez, Walter Mondale and Ralph Abernathy marched to the border protesting illegal immigration and how the bosses were using illegals to cut the pay of the Farmworkers members. That group is about as "left" as there is. There was nobody on the "right" down there to support the workers.

Keep living in your fantasyland Jimbo. It must be a Paradise where Sherry Henry frolics in the nude and you dance around a stake with Farley's head on top of it. God, I just hope you don't have kids.

Right on! SHIFTALKER

Geeze....... I didn't realize there were more than one with fantasies of Sherry Henry frolicking in the nude and Farley with his head on a stick.

Your version HAZ (all things kinky Cuban) probably has Farley deep throating a Cuban cigar and Sherry Henry sporting a Fidel Castro beard in jungle fatigues while Che Guevara dances around the two in women's underwear chanting, "death to America".

[jimbo]

More facts on Arizona's immigration law.

http://www.rense.com...0/factsheet.htm

[egghead]

http://www.floppinga...t-AZ-border.jpg
Funny cartoon

[jimbo]

egghead, on April 30 2010 - 03:04 PM, said:

http://www.floppinga...t-AZ-border.jpg
Funny cartoon

that was funny.

[stark]

jimbo, on April 30 2010 - 10:41 AM, said:

More facts on Arizona's immigration law.

http://www.rense.com...0/factsheet.htm

Interesting and informative. Guess time will tell how it plays out.