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Posted January 30 2010 - 05:44 AM

Brother: This is to confirm our phone conversation. Thank you for your interest in the upcoming NY-NJ TDU Education Conference. However, we will not be able to accommodate your request to participate. The Education Conference is a private event open to Teamsters who support reform in our union. TDU reserves the right to exclude participants who are opposed to our organization and its principles. We have refunded your $15 online registration fee. Feel free to share the conference attendance guidelines with anyone you might know who might share your confusion about the event. We would do not wish to have anyone make an unnecessary trip only to be turned away at the door. Fraternally, TDU Staff

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Posted January 30 2010 - 04:24 PM

View PostA Teamster, on January 30 2010 - 05:44 AM, said:

Brother: This is to confirm our phone conversation. Thank you for your interest in the upcoming NY-NJ TDU Education Conference. However, we will not be able to accommodate your request to participate. The Education Conference is a private event open to Teamsters who support reform in our union. TDU reserves the right to exclude participants who are opposed to our organization and its principles. We have refunded your $15 online registration fee. Feel free to share the conference attendance guidelines with anyone you might know who might share your confusion about the event. We would do not wish to have anyone make an unnecessary trip only to be turned away at the door. Fraternally, TDU Staff

So much for free speach ,opposing views not wanted.This speaks volumes about your organization. You are no better than the most corrupt Union Offical and have done more to destroy union Jobs than any company!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted February 03 2010 - 02:53 PM

I hate to answer my own post, but does anyone have a report from this "secret" meeting? Thanks.

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Posted February 03 2010 - 04:41 PM

The answer is the 10 people that were dumb enough to pay $15 are To Dumb to Understand how to post information on the "internets machine".

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Posted February 03 2010 - 06:54 PM

Holy fuck..What the fuck is that?
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Posted February 04 2010 - 09:10 AM

View PostX174driver, on February 03 2010 - 04:41 PM, said:

The answer is the 10 people that were dumb enough to pay $15 are To Dumb to Understand how to post information on the "internets machine".


X174driver: TDU is cannot be called dumb. Evil, ruthless, diabolical, deranged, maybe, but not dumb. They have a plan and they are executing their plan. What's dumb is not paying attention to that. I'll bet there were more than ten people there. There were three local presidents from locals totaling over 10,000 members.

Silent1: what is your question?

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Posted February 04 2010 - 11:34 AM

Don't get me wrong, I don't think the self appointed "Leaders" of TDU are To Dumb to Understand. I do believe the uninformed and uninvolved members that buy what they sell every election cycle are. How many "TDU" Slates have been elected into Local Union Office only to burn the friggen place down and get voted out 3 years later (if the membership is lucky)??

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Posted February 04 2010 - 12:24 PM

TDU members should have the right to prevent non-members who want to destroy their organization from attending and disrupting their meetings.

Does anyone here think the NAACP should welcome members of the KKK into their meetings?

If they didn't try to stop outside opponents from sabotaging their gatherings, most of us would think they were whimpy or stupid or both!

It's true that some TDU'ers are stupid and/or incompetent. In that regard they are a lot like some very befuddled IBT international officers who can barely tie their own shoes while demonstrating for all of us to see, their superior skill at sitting around with their thumbs up their as$.

And you know who the lazy ones are in Washington that merely think of the IBT as their gravy train!

Meanwhile, the membership gets beaten down by the employers.

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Posted February 04 2010 - 03:16 PM

View PostEdHeisler, on February 04 2010 - 12:24 PM, said:

TDU members should have the right to prevent non-members who want to destroy their organization from attending and disrupting their meetings.

Does anyone here think the NAACP should welcome members of the KKK into their meetings?

If they didn't try to stop outside opponents from sabotaging their gatherings, most of us would think they were whimpy or stupid or both!



If I wanted to "disrupt" or "sabotage" their meeting ala BLAST, would I have pre-registered online?? Is it "disrupting" or "sabotage" when TDU'ers speak out at Teamster meetings?? The meeting notice said "Teamsters", it did not say TDU members only. The question they could not (or would not) answer was by what criteria was their decision made. How did they judge that I didn't meet the "guidelines" for attendance, or that I did not support "reform". What is their definition of reform, and how do they expect to achieve it if they pre-determine who "supports" it? By that logic, Ron Carey never would have been elected. The NAACP analogy is flawed, they can invite who they want, so can TDU. I was specifically invited as a dues paying Teamster, there was no asterisk or exception provided in the notice.

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Posted February 05 2010 - 03:39 AM

.... I guess they should have the right to ban people from meetings and membership.... After-all I want the same right to do so with-in the Teamsters Union for the same reasons.
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Posted February 05 2010 - 04:29 AM

View PostThe_Silent_1, on February 05 2010 - 03:39 AM, said:

.... I guess they should have the right to ban people from meetings and membership.... After-all I want the same right to do so with-in the Teamsters Union for the same reasons.


Silent, I don't know if your reply is "tongue in cheek", but the Teamsters Union cannot legally ban dues paying members except by holding a hearing and explaining why, subject to appeal. TDU has their own bylaws, so they don't (or won't) have to tell me why I am banned. So they want a democratic union, they just choose to use undemocratic means to get there. Doesn't that tell us something about their true character? BTW, they have a track record. I'll leave it up to debate as to whether respect for or expansion of rank and file democracy was a hallmark of the years they were in power.

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Posted February 05 2010 - 05:54 AM

View PostEdHeisler, on February 04 2010 - 12:24 PM, said:

TDU members should have the right to prevent non-members who want to destroy their organization from attending and disrupting their meetings.

Does anyone here think the NAACP should welcome members of the KKK into their meetings?



This is funny. Last time I checked, Ken Paff was a "non-member" who wants to destroy our organization. TDU hasn't posted a single positive development about our union on their website in years. I wonder why that is? Could it be that they are trying to destroy our organization?

Your analogy is a bad one as well. Is the NAACP trying to recruit members of the KKK to join their organization? Of course not. TDU IS actively recruiting Teamsters to join their group, not exclude them. What TDU wants is Teamsters to give money but not participate in policy making because Comrade Paff is the one who takes care of that. All you have to do is look at Rich Berg and the game he talked before he got elected and started acting like Mussolini.

TDU likes to pretend that they empower members but the truth is just the opposite. They really think working Teamsters are stupid and TDU leaders are akin to Ed in that they feel most rank-and-file Teamsters are racists and ignorant like KKK members. Although Ed's analogy is a bad one, it is very revealing as far as what TDU and Ed think of rank-and-file Teamsters.

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Posted February 05 2010 - 07:46 AM

View PostED IS STUPID, on February 05 2010 - 05:54 AM, said:

This is funny. Last time I checked, Ken Paff was a "non-member" who wants to destroy our organization. TDU hasn't posted a single positive development about our union on their website in years. I wonder why that is? Could it be that they are trying to destroy our organization?

Your analogy is a bad one as well. Is the NAACP trying to recruit members of the KKK to join their organization? Of course not. TDU IS actively recruiting Teamsters to join their group, not exclude them. What TDU wants is Teamsters to give money but not participate in policy making because Comrade Paff is the one who takes care of that. All you have to do is look at Rich Berg and the game he talked before he got elected and started acting like Mussolini.

TDU likes to pretend that they empower members but the truth is just the opposite. They really think working Teamsters are stupid and TDU leaders are akin to Ed in that they feel most rank-and-file Teamsters are racists and ignorant like KKK members. Although Ed's analogy is a bad one, it is very revealing as far as what TDU and Ed think of rank-and-file Teamsters.

TDU only empowers TDU and at the expense of Teamster Members and their lack of clarity on who and where they get their money is proof enough .You only have to ask why they won!t post who gives them money ,it is because they are a sham who feeds itself by taking from companies as well as members.While legally they don!t have to post where their money comes from, morally if you were as true to the cause as you claim it would be easy.As far as Paff goes he is proof that there is a sucker born every minute because that is how he makes his living.

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Posted February 21 2010 - 04:06 AM

View PostA Teamster, on January 30 2010 - 05:44 AM, said:

Brother: This is to confirm our phone conversation. Thank you for your interest in the upcoming NY-NJ TDU Education Conference. However, we will not be able to accommodate your request to participate. The Education Conference is a private event open to Teamsters who support reform in our union. TDU reserves the right to exclude participants who are opposed to our organization and its principles. We have refunded your $15 online registration fee. Feel free to share the conference attendance guidelines with anyone you might know who might share your confusion about the event. We would do not wish to have anyone make an unnecessary trip only to be turned away at the door. Fraternally, TDU Staff


TDU On the Move
February 18, 2010: TDU members are coming together across the country to get educated and work together for union power.

In January and February, TDU members are holding meetings and workshops in Baltimore, Springfield, Providence, Burlington Vermont, Chicago, Memphis, Nashville, Los Angeles, and more.

More than 125 Teamsters attended a TDU Educational Conference in New York. The conference featured workshops on UPS production harassment and handling disciplinary grievances.

“TDU gives us the knowledge to be better union members. It was so great to see so many brothers and sisters come together,” said Bill O’Bayley, a member of the TDU International Steering Committee from New York Local 805.

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Posted February 24 2010 - 11:21 AM

You "OLD GUARD" teamsters all talk the same talk about TDU...if it was not for the reforms backed by TDU who knows where this Union would be. TDU won the right for members to democratically elect our officers-and the right to vote for Convention delegates. Their are some that feel they should be all hand picked, well guess what? not REAL teamsters...I was at the TDU Ed Conference and I'm not a member and they welcomed me with open arms.

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Posted February 24 2010 - 12:36 PM

View PostForeman, on February 24 2010 - 11:21 AM, said:

You "OLD GUARD" teamsters all talk the same talk about TDU...if it was not for the reforms backed by TDU who knows where this Union would be. TDU won the right for members to democratically elect our officers-and the right to vote for Convention delegates. Their are some that feel they should be all hand picked, well guess what? not REAL teamsters...I was at the TDU Ed Conference and I'm not a member and they welcomed me with open arms.

But will they show you where they get there money and tell you how they destroyed Local 138.Before you buy into their lies you need to ask all the hard questions about TDU.

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Posted February 24 2010 - 03:42 PM

OK...here is my tdu equation. tdu arrived on the scene in the early 1970's. At the time the Teamsters union had about 2.3 million members. Since the time of their arrival and the government forced implementation of their so called reform, we have lost well over 1 million members. How have they helped? Divide and conquer, thats the name of their employer funded game!
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Posted February 24 2010 - 03:45 PM

View PostForeman, on February 24 2010 - 11:21 AM, said:

You "OLD GUARD" teamsters all talk the same talk about TDU...if it was not for the reforms backed by TDU who knows where this Union would be. TDU won the right for members to democratically elect our officers-and the right to vote for Convention delegates. Their are some that feel they should be all hand picked, well guess what? not REAL teamsters...I was at the TDU Ed Conference and I'm not a member and they welcomed me with open arms.


So how did you pass the gates, Foreman? Were you questioned, or is there a secret handshake or some kind of litmus test?

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Posted February 24 2010 - 06:26 PM

View PostThe_Silent_1, on February 24 2010 - 03:42 PM, said:

OK...here is my tdu equation. tdu arrived on the scene in the early 1970's. At the time the Teamsters union had about 2.3 million members. Since the time of their arrival and the government forced implementation of their so called reform, we have lost well over 1 million members. How have they helped? Divide and conquer, thats the name of their employer funded game!
In the early 1970's there were maybe ten TDU members...so you are blaming them for the Unions decline? Do these names ring a bell Frank Fitzsimmons, Roy Williams, Jackie Presser? I'm not a member of TDU but I'm a very open-minded person.

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Posted February 24 2010 - 06:34 PM

View PostA Teamster, on February 24 2010 - 03:45 PM, said:

So how did you pass the gates, Foreman? Were you questioned, or is there a secret handshake or some kind of litmus test?
I walked right in. They asked me what local I was from and if I wanted to join. I told them what local and said no thanks to joining. The classes were great and this is something the IBT should be doing in every region. They should spend our dues on teamster education not multiple salaries!!!