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[ibc734]

inthegame, on January 26 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

Little of what you've posted is fact based. Most of your postings are inaccurate opinions. Everything I've responded is based on first hand knowledge and experience. Your company failed you buddy, not your union. A "beck objector"? That figures. Hubris? You must have found a copy of word power. Now read what the word means and use it in proper context. Still having trouble with comprehension.

Everything I posted is fact.I have copies of Series 5500 for a few years. Are you telling me I am wrong? That is first hand knowledge. I work here. You don't. Let's try to remember that you interjected yourself into this thread. Of course it is an open forum so all registered posters have the right to say pretty much what they please. But don't piss your pants because I refuse to defer to your self-anointed expert status. Beck? Damn right it figures. Our local gives itself raises as we take a huge cut and we're supposed to say 'keep up the good work'? Even YOU said you weren't a Meidel fan. And YOU also said that you didn't think IBT was blameless in this with regards to bringing an impotent Ripplewood in to 'save' us. So what's what's your 'game' Inthegame? One-upsmanship? Wallowing in minutia? 'Beating' me in some smack thread? Oh and hubris? Fits you like a glove.

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ibc734, on January 27 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

Everything I posted is fact.I have copies of Series 5500 for a few years. Are you telling me I am wrong? That is first hand knowledge. I work here. You don't. Let's try to remember that you interjected yourself into this thread. Of course it is an open forum so all registered posters have the right to say pretty much what they please. But don't piss your pants because I refuse to defer to your self-anointed expert status. Beck? Damn right it figures. Our local gives itself raises as we take a huge cut and we're supposed to say 'keep up the good work'? Even YOU said you weren't a Meidel fan. And YOU also said that you didn't think IBT was blameless in this with regards to bringing an impotent Ripplewood in to 'save' us. So what's what's your 'game' Inthegame? One-upsmanship? Wallowing in minutia? 'Beating' me in some smack thread? Oh and hubris? Fits you like a glove.

How about we stop the BS and get down to the facts. What would you have done if you were in the IBT's position in '04? Let the whole thing fail? They didn't know how things would turn out with Ripplewood but there wasn't anyone else stepping up. Not many options available so they went with the guys with cash. That kept people working, with less income unfortunately, but working. Remember dues went down to the locals and IBT. Nobody wanted this but what were the choices? My issue with your posts is you've put a greater share of this failure on the IBT. In your newspaper letter you've correctly placed blame on the management of Hostess, but in your posts you rag on your local. You complain about not getting information on your pension fund when the info IS available by a simple request you've apparently missed. What you call hubris is simple knowledge. You expect more than a dues dollar buys.

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inthegame, on January 27 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:

How about we stop the BS and get down to the facts. What would you have done if you were in the IBT's position in '04? Let the whole thing fail? They didn't know how things would turn out with Ripplewood but there wasn't anyone else stepping up. Not many options available so they went with the guys with cash. That kept people working, with less income unfortunately, but working. Remember dues went down to the locals and IBT. Nobody wanted this but what were the choices? My issue with your posts is you've put a greater share of this failure on the IBT. In your newspaper letter you've correctly placed blame on the management of Hostess, but in your posts you rag on your local. You complain about not getting information on your pension fund when the info IS available by a simple request you've apparently missed. What you call hubris is simple knowledge. You expect more than a dues dollar buys.

What makes you think 'it would fail' if Ripplewood doesn;t show up? Being sold off one bakery at a time isn't the worst thing tat could happen. Is it?

And let's get serious. We really have never emerged from bk. We merely extended it up to now.

I put equal blame on IBT and Ripplewood. But if you are going to have a stake, 3% is a stake whether you agree with me or not, So that means that when the CEO may propose closing bakeries to save money, an owner...........even with a 3% stake should approve. But if you rep IBT personnel you are bound to protect them. Ergo conflict of interest. My articles rag management because the articles I post are in response to the news articles that blame labor exclusively. I've explained why I assess some blame to the IBT. And you did not disagree.I assess blame to both parties.

I never complained about getting info on our pension funds investments. I simply defined how I obtained that info. Don't lie.

>>Remember dues went down to the locals and IBT<<

WHAAAA? Where did this happen genius? Not here in 734.


>>You expect more than a dues dollar buys.<<

I expect nothing get as much in return. Get educated.

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ibc734, on January 29 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

What makes you think 'it would fail' if Ripplewood doesn;t show up? Being sold off one bakery at a time isn't the worst thing tat could happen. Is it?

And let's get serious. We really have never emerged from bk. We merely extended it up to now.

I put equal blame on IBT and Ripplewood. But if you are going to have a stake, 3% is a stake whether you agree with me or not, So that means that when the CEO may propose closing bakeries to save money, an owner...........even with a 3% stake should approve. But if you rep IBT personnel you are bound to protect them. Ergo conflict of interest. My articles rag management because the articles I post are in response to the news articles that blame labor exclusively. I've explained why I assess some blame to the IBT. And you did not disagree.I assess blame to both parties.

I never complained about getting info on our pension funds investments. I simply defined how I obtained that info. Don't lie.

>>Remember dues went down to the locals and IBT<<

WHAAAA? Where did this happen genius? Not here in 734.


>>You expect more than a dues dollar buys.<<

I expect nothing get as much in return. Get educated.

What makes you think 'it would fail' if Ripplewood doesn;t show up? Being sold off one bakery at a time isn't the worst thing tat could happen. Is it?

I think it would fail because it was failing. That's why they went into bankruptcy. There were no other interested buyers. The IBT was required to "help" with the 3% or no deal. If they didn't broker that deal, Hostess and all their employees were facing job loss. There was no money for payroll! Would you go to work for nothing? Your own articles pointed out the failure of management at Hostess/IBC. How would selling off one "bakery" at a time change the management failures. If closing one bakery at a time would save the company, why didn't that happen before the cards collapsed?

And let's get serious. We really have never emerged from bk. We merely extended it up to now.

Agreed, this is where the IBT has some culpability. They didn't force management changes. I'm told they tried and were resisted. There were no agreements made allowing the IBT to have sufficient input. 3% doesn't get you the necessary voice.

I put equal blame on IBT and Ripplewood. But if you are going to have a stake, 3% is a stake whether you agree with me or not, So that means that when the CEO may propose closing bakeries to save money, an owner...........even with a 3% stake should approve. But if you rep IBT personnel you are bound to protect them. Ergo conflict of interest. My articles rag management because the articles I post are in response to the news articles that blame labor exclusively. I've explained why I assess some blame to the IBT. And you did not disagree.I assess blame to both parties.

You assess too much on the guys that tried to save you. That's my whole issue with your post. The IBT doesn't own 50% they don't deserve equal blame. If Ripplewood propoesd closing bakeries as you suggest, 3% from the IBT doesn't get you a majority vote.

I never complained about getting info on our pension funds investments. I simply defined how I obtained that info. Don't lie.

You clearly inferred you were not given the info you needed and had to take an extraordinary step of a FOIA request which was completely unnecessary as the simple procedure was available for a full report.

>>Remember dues went down to the locals and IBT<<

WHAAAA? Where did this happen genius? Not here in 734.

Dues are based on wages. When wages go up, dues go up. When members wages go down, dues go down.The IBT's per capita gets decreased accordingly, so does the remaining dollars kept by the locals.


>>You expect more than a dues dollar buys.<<

I expect nothing get as much in return. Get educated.

You'll find out about getting nothing when you lose your union coverage.

[ibc734]

Inthegame........................

[[What makes you think 'it would fail' if Ripplewood doesn;t show up? Being sold off one bakery at a time isn't the worst thing tat could happen. Is it?

I think it would fail because it was failing. That's why they went into bankruptcy. There were no other interested buyers]]

Or it could have been sold off in pieces......................to bakeries that know WTF they are doing.


{{Your own articles pointed out the failure of management at Hostess/IBC.}}

​Yes! And we here at Hodgkins a well as other bakeries fully realize we have actually haven't been out of bk since 2004. And it was IBT who brought these friggin' idiots in. And guess what? Instead of actually trying to make us more profitable by doing the things I mentioned previously, we are at the point of Driscoll getting his 1113 motion approved. Get educated on what is going on. Hostess Brands, Inc., et al.


[[Agreed, this is where the IBT has some culpability. They didn't force management changes. I'm told they tried and were resisted]]

Bullshit! The company wanted trip pay for semi drivers. The union said no. The company wanted more cake/bread combo routes. The union fought that also. Now when they start wanting to close more bakeries...............which needs to be done....................what do you think the IBT will say? Remember the So Cal bakery fight? Nuff said.

[[There were no agreements made allowing the IBT to have sufficient input. 3% doesn't get you the necessary voice.]

LOL! Read above. IBT fought certain money saving changes.

[[You assess too much on the guys that tried to save you. That's my whole issue with your post. The IBT doesn't own 50% they don't deserve equal blame. If Ripplewood proposed closing bakeries as you suggest, 3% from the IBT doesn't get you a majority vote]]

Oh my eyes were always wide open when it came to the hedge funds who you say 'tried to save us'.
Hedge funds are in the business of flipping companies. IBT thought that Ripplewood was going to 'save us'. Do your homework pal. Ripplewood has owned one bakery. And what did they do with it? They sold it off ASAP. So doesn't that make IBT incompetent by courting a hedge fund who has a history of blowing up one bakery?

[[You clearly inferred you were not given the info you needed and had to take an extraordinary step of a FOIA request which was completely unnecessary as the simple procedure was available for a full report.]]

Hey genius. I called ERISA. THEY told me that the local does not have to give me SPECIFICS. Only the categories and what percentage invested in them. Take it up with them.

[[Dues are based on wages. When wages go up, dues go up. When members wages go down, dues go down.The IBT's per capita gets decreased accordingly, so does the remaining dollars kept by the locals

So the Hostess employees should be grateful they are paying lower dues thanks to their wages getting slashed. That's funny.

[[ You'll find out about getting nothing when you lose your union coverage. ]]


As I said before. Turano Bakery is about 10 miles from ours. They pay $1 less per hour and have benefits. They are not unionized though. In fact. You'll make more money working there than here now........................


Turano Baking Company Salaries, Pay Scales, and Wages ...

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Or it could have been sold off in pieces......................to bakeries that know WTF they are doing.

Of course there’s a huge market for bankrupt bakeries out there. But the problem is the ones that know WTF they’re doing don’t buy bankrupt bakeries. And you’re somehow guaranteed a job if that did happen? Why didn’t you bail back in ’05 and go to work at Turano? You’re the brainiac with all the answers and knew this was “blowing up” so who’s the fool?


Oh my eyes were always wide open when it came to the hedge funds who you say 'tried to save us'.
Hedge funds are in the business of flipping companies. IBT thought that Ripplewood was going to 'save us'. Do your homework pal. Ripplewood has owned one bakery. And what did they do with it? They sold it off ASAP. So doesn't that make IBT incompetent by courting a hedge fund who has a history of blowing up one bakery?

I didn’t say Ripplewood tried to save you, I said the IBT. But it appears Ripplewood did exactly what you proposed by “selling off” the one bakery they owned. So why didn’t they do it to Hostess? Oh nevermind it’s the 3% majority share the IBT owned that stopped Ripplewood dead in their company streamlining tracks.

Hey genius. I called ERISA. THEY told me that the local does not have to give me SPECIFICS. Only the categories and what percentage invested in them. Take it up with them.

Here we go again with the “genius”. Now you called ERISA. What’s ERISA ‘s number pray tell and how do you call an act of Congress? The “local” doesn’t have to give you anything regarding performance of your pension fund. The Fund is required to give you an annual summary. In that summary you are instructed to contact the Fund administrator for a complete report including investments and everything else you want to know (but will comprehend almost none of). So you contact every agency on earth instead of the correct one and blame it on the union. And I’m the genius.

So the Hostess employees should be grateful they are paying lower dues thanks to their wages getting slashed. That's funny.

I don’t think there’s anything funny about wages being cut. I didn’t say anyone should be grateful because their dues were lowered. I merely pointed out facts concerning dues structure.

Tell you what pal, you’re right. The IBT screwed you intentionally. They sat around and said “how can we mess up IBC734’s life. Let’s find a buyer for Hostess and have them run the place in the ground in six years. We’ll lose 7500 members but at least we’ll be rid of that “genius” in the windy. Maybe unions should push for a "Right To Select" law. We could weed out members like you we have to accept. Don't worry skippy, TDU will save you from the big bad IBT.

[ibc734]

Inthegame...........


1] Hey snide. Some Hostess bakeries are profitable with a huge market and distribution system. Like us in Hodgkins. And stuff your ignorant ragging on Turano. You're a union suck no matter what. Like it or not we have a major bakery.........makethat two of them since Pepperidge Farm is two blocks from my house, that are non-union, pay well and give comparable benefits.


2] LOL! So IBT tried to save us? By getting a hedge fund crew with a history of blowing up at least one bakery? Are you kidding?

3] ERISA contact info................http://www.google.co...8Mczj1ulbsu9_PQ


How's that work for ya genius?

4] Cop out on the wage cuts. Good stooge.

5] Hey ****. IBT fucked up. Deal with it. Not me so much but the younger guys.

Word on the street................including CNN Business is saying Kraft or Pepsi are interested. Good! Food companies instead of hedge funds that have a history of blowing up bakeries.

You gonna 'weed me out' punk? Everything I have ever said about our local and Int'l I put my name on. My name is Andy. I work at Hodgkins. Call 708-482-7770 and ask for Andy. Now 'weed me out' *****.

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ibc734, on January 31 2012 - 02:03 PM, said:

Inthegame...........


1] Hey snide. Some Hostess bakeries are profitable with a huge market and distribution system. Like us in Hodgkins. And stuff your ignorant ragging on Turano. You're a union suck no matter what. Like it or not we have a major bakery.........makethat two of them since Pepperidge Farm is two blocks from my house, that are non-union, pay well and give comparable benefits.

So bail out the big markets and let everyone else fail? That's not the unionism I know. Are there 7500 members in Hodgkins, I didn't think so. Never made one disparging comment about Turano. Still having that pesky comprehension problem. I'm pro union I readily admit it, call me a suck with your massive vocabulary but how long do you think your saviors in the non-union bakeries will pay those wages when the scale is in the toilet when union bakeries are gone? FYI...They don't give benefits billy boy, they offer packages with big co-pays.

2] LOL! So IBT tried to save us? By getting a hedge fund crew with a history of blowing up at least one bakery? Are you kidding?

Yes That's what they did because your speculators weren't interested last time around. No one was brainiac.

3] ERISA contact info................http://www.google.co...8Mczj1ulbsu9_PQ

So you found the DOL website! Congratulations, your parents must be so proud! You're the nitwit that said you CALLED ERISA, I once again merely pointed out your foolishness by your unnecessary hitting a tack with a sledgehammer. Easily acquired info that you're informed of yearly and you go running to the big bad government cause the other boys won't play nice! WHAAA


How's that work for ya genius?

Works out fine for me, I'm not the moron that doesn't understand how things work.

4] Cop out on the wage cuts. Good stooge.

Once again comprehension is your short suit. Reread the posts maybe you'll pick it up the second/third/fourth time (but I really doubt it)

5] Hey ****. IBT fucked up. Deal with it. Not me so much but the younger guys.

Whatever you think of how it went down the undeniable fact is IBC/Hostess ran the place wrong. End of story.

Word on the street................including CNN Business is saying Kraft or Pepsi are interested. Good! Food companies instead of hedge funds that have a history of blowing up bakeries.

Doubt companies like Pepsi would be interested but who knows. Lots of cash sitting in waiting for good buys. Hope a successful company emerges.

You gonna 'weed me out' punk? Everything I have ever said about our local and Int'l I put my name on. My name is Andy. I work at Hodgkins. Call 708-482-7770 and ask for Andy. Now 'weed me out' *****.

Lets not get our undies in a bunch Andrew you don't know who you're talking to. Seems to me nearly everything you've said about your local and the IBT is factless opinion with or without your name. You have a bit of a struggle with your anger issues. I've gotten you upset. Here's the deal Andrew, I'm getting bored with this topic or more specifically with you. So Good luck, I'll call your number sometime when I'm in the windy and I'll buy you a beer, and pour it over your tough guy head.

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We'll take your last quip first.I don't care who I am talking to. But you know who you're talking to. Now sniff my 'undies' and really try to get over yourself. BTW. What is your name and where do you work?

And everything I said is backed up with facts. Deal with it even though it doesn't comport with your agenda.

Anger issues? Now that's rich coming from some wise ass who is going to 'weed me out' and pour a beer over my head. That would be a mistake. But you can be as tough as you want when you run your mouth in cyber space nameless. What a gutless coward you are. Your parents, if you know who they are, must be proud.


And yes stupid. If some markets are failing, WTF do you think happens to them in bk?

I have spoken to people at ERISA. Quit sucking IBT beef and learn to think for yourself. Now get your face out of Hoffa's lap punk.

[dumfck]

ibc734 is so rough and tough he is known as a burley bear in certain circles and andy knows of which circles i am speaking about jerk ;-o swak

[ibc734]

dumfck, on March 01 2012 - 07:13 AM, said:

ibc734 is so rough and tough he is known as a burley bear in certain circles and andy knows of which circles i am speaking about jerk ;-o swak

That's quite an imagination. Or the voice of projection. Tuck it in dumbf--k.