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[fr8man]

I'm glad someone finally had enough balls to stand up and say "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!" I just wish the other regions would stop following so blindly and stand up for whats ours. We already gave our 10%, so why are they still trying to get us to pay for their mistakes? I'm hoping that whatever you guys are doing out there Harrisburg way holds up, and the rest of the country sits up and takes notice. I think alot of us that have alot of yrs invested in not only YRC, but the Union in general have a little more to lose than corporate shareholders. What do ya think?? Good luck out there brothers and sisters, and believe me, we're all watching

[705upser]

Local 705 has already sent YRC a letter to inform them they are delinquent in pension payments. Our pension is separate from the national and YRC has been notified that we will not be accepting their property as collateral in exchange for a free pass. When will Zollers take a pay cut?

[Conquistador]

fr8man, on May 26 2009, 03:44 AM, said:

I'm glad someone finally had enough balls to stand up and say "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!" I just wish the other regions would stop following so blindly and stand up for whats ours. We already gave our 10%, so why are they still trying to get us to pay for their mistakes? I'm hoping that whatever you guys are doing out there Harrisburg way holds up, and the rest of the country sits up and takes notice. I think alot of us that have alot of yrs invested in not only YRC, but the Union in general have a little more to lose than corporate shareholders. What do ya think?? Good luck out there brothers and sisters, and believe me, we're all watching

How did Central PA stand up to YRC? I thought that all they did was freeze the members' pensions.

[fr8man]

Well Con, from what I been hearing and reading the Harrisburg local sent letters to their Pension board and the INTL and said they want their money and don't want a real estate swap for their pension payments. As said above I guess Chicago did the samething. Good for them. As of right now they're the only ones that stood up and said "HELL NO!!"

[Conquistador]

fr8man, on May 31 2009, 03:08 AM, said:

Well Con, from what I been hearing and reading the Harrisburg local sent letters to their Pension board and the INTL and said they want their money and don't want a real estate swap for their pension payments. As said above I guess Chicago did the samething. Good for them. As of right now they're the only ones that stood up and said "HELL NO!!"

I have read that the Harrisburg, PA local has sent out letters but the problem lies with the IBT and their unwillingness to harness YRC and hold them accountable to the contract. I know why they are doing it but do not agree that it is the right way to go. Hoffa's attempt to save "40,000" Teamster jobs is doing nothing more than degrading the entire freight industry, both union and non-union and thus adding to the degration of the entire US economy. His ingenius agreement to decrease wages with no stipulations that YRC get rid Bill Zollars or to use the concessions to go cut rates is an embarrassment to the Teamsters-"This great union", as Hoffa likes to say. Great union my ass. The operating engineers would have let the poorly run operation go for the well being of the others and Hoffa should have done so too.

Now for the penion issue at hand. Harrisburg, PA and Chicago, IL can talk all they want and send out all the letters they want, Washington still holds the strings and authorization to strike for penion payments will have to come from there. Hoffa has proven that he doesn't have to balls to enforce the contractual agreement between the Teamsters and YRC and his continued inactions will have a contiuned detrimental effect on the rest of us in the trucking industry. By the way-I have been following their news and have not read anywhere that Bill Zollars is working for free, for $1.00 or for any other form drastic wage cut. His annual pay is appriximately $7 million.

[Farley]

I don't want to piss on you guy's hen party, because the pension is owed, but just where in the hell were you guys when Ron Carey was gifting millions of the members Cerntral States benefit dollars to UPS in 1997? You remember, when Carey bought his way out the strike and the law suit against him for his illegal (70 lb)work stoppage? Wasn't that just the start of the Central States' trouble? and you guys were quiet.......what a crock!

[fr8man]

Ya know Farley I knew it would be u to dispute Con's post. Let me ask you...were you happy with Presser too? Hoffa jr. is single handedly undoing everything his Father started and built up. He's no god send. If fact no one since Sr. has done a whole lot to strengthen this Union, but every single one has done their share to pull us down. So I got nothing good to say about any of them. My Grand father and Dad worked under the ole Man, and yes he was a crook too, but one thing about him was he ALWAYS put the men first. Everyone since I think would have a hard time saying the samething. So if you insist on this Lovefest with Jr. well...have at it.
Con, I'd just like to tell you that your last post was a great friggin post. I couldn't have said it better or could have added anything more.

[Farley]

fr8man can you not answer a simple question? do you always read your own shit into everything? Go back, son, and reread what I posted. It is a simple question about "where was your outrage when Carey dipped into the central states fund? It has nothing to do with Presser or Hoffa, both of whom I did not mention in a positive, negative, or neutral light.
And do not assume any preferences I might have, because you will likely be wrong. You toodleooers always like to bring in irrelevant issues to try to cloud any question that makes you uncomfortable.

[fr8man]

LOL, believe me Farley, any question you have just leaves me scratching my head, nothing else. I answered your question. I haven't been happy with ANY of our leadership. Theres more of you clowns who pat them on the back and tell them what a great job they're doing than those of us who think "Wait a minute, somethings wrong here."Farley come onnn...you were probably just as far up Careys ass as you are Hoffas until he got caught.Thats why yr after yr and election after election we end up with the same ole crap, and it just keeps getting deeper and deeper. Then the ones that do want change and leadership are all of a sudden, bad guys. You can't have it both ways.
Now I have a question for you. I asked you this in another post some time back and you never answered me. What the hell is a toodledoer, or what ever it is u keep calling me? Is that someone who doesn't think all is well on the good ship Hoffa? Well I guess thats me then. Don't know who you are or where you are or what you do for a living, but you mmust be living the good life if you think everything is just swell.
Curious though to know if you have anymore real cute names for those of us that are actually concerned about our future? Evidentally u must be living large to not be concerned about any of this. I'll be looking forward to your next post. As for me, I can only handle you once per topic.

[Farley]

pray tell fr8man, just who have I "patted on the back"?? see!!!! it is all your own shit. and you know damn well what a toodleooer is, unless you are brain damaged.
My assessment of Hoffa, whether positive or negative, in not even in this equation, and if you had not been blinded so much by your own resentments, you might have been able to see that the question was simple. "Where were all of you critics when toodleoo hero, Ron Carey was giving away the store, especially the Central States Fund?....as any honest reading of this simple question reveals.....it has nothing to do with Hoffa or Presser.........by the way fr8man....you might have missed the part where I concurred that the pension payments were due and owning.....but don't allow the facts to derail your pathology

[fr8man]

I'm going against my better judgment by arguing with u farley cause "u the man" and can't possibly be wrong about anything, but..... I do believe it was way back under Fitzsimmons where all the money was being stolen in the Central States pension fund and outside overseers were called in to watch it and Fitzsimmons was called on to step down. I believe carey was accused of illegal campaign raising and was later aquitted in federal court. All I ever heard that he did wrong or was accused of. OH and btw ...wasn't Carey the FIRST Union President to be elected by the membership? He beat jr. the 2nd time too and was knocked out by those afore mentioned accusations nothing else. Yes I did vote for carey like a whole hell of alot of other Teamsters, and to this day I never voted for Hoffa, but does that make me a TDUer?? I think not!! With all that said....this thread is about the YRC pensions, so this is my last word with u about nothing....again. Good luck men.

[Farley]

fr8man. I will allow that there is an honest chance that you do not really understand the damage that Carey and the toodleoo did to the Union, or that Carey gifted UPS millions of the members dollars from the central staes fund. fr8man, the millions from the central states has nothing to do with the money that was embezzeled and laundered from the IBT and DRIVE accounts that funded Carey's 1996 election campaign. For sure Carey won the 1991 election because of the split between RV Durham and Walter Shea, who was funded by Carey advocates to split the vote. What resulted was the most corrupt and inept leadership the Teamsters was ever shackeled with, the likes of Ken Mee, Diana Kilmury, Doug Mims, Leroy Ellis, Tom Shay, Gilmartin, Belk, Benson, et al assuming positions and turning chocolate into shit
and fr8man I was at the 1996 non-convention where Carey would not allow issues to hit the floor and he embarrassed Arlen Specter by using him as lightening rod for Carey's own failures.
as for Hoffa....his main attribute is that he is not Carey and not toodleoo......and Hoffa will remain president until a serious candidate is nominated....and a serious candidate will not have a connection to the toodleoo like Leedham does, because the toodleoo has spent their wad and failed.

[Conquistador]

I'm not going to argue with Fairy because it is not worth it. But I am going to ask for more information on the gifted millions out of the Central States Pension Fund. I have never heard this one before and I like to have facts. Give us names, amounts and precisely how these people were "gifted".

Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

[Conquistador]

I think I already know the answer to this BUT has anybody filed a grievance on the issue of non-payment of YRC's pension obligation? After all it is a contractual matter.

[The_Silent_1]

Follow the GM and Chrysler bankruptcy procedures and hearings and you will get a glimpse of your own future.
The guy in Harrisburgh is playing a dangerous game just to fly in the face of the IBT and 705 is pure TDU. They get paid to oppose the IBT.

I see a lot of tough talk here from a bunch of guys who are standing on very thin ice.

[Conquistador]

I would like to point out to Fairy that TNet is celebrating its tenth year on the web and you are asking where the big mouths were twelve years ago when you claim the thefts took place. I'd say that they weren't on here.

[Conquistador]

The_Silent_1, on Jun 2 2009, 03:50 PM, said:

The guy in Harrisburgh is playing a dangerous game just to fly in the face of the IBT and 705 is pure TDU.

I see a lot of tough talk here from a bunch of guys who are standing on very thin ice.

What exactly are you saying about the guy in Harrisburg here? I don't like to leave anything to the imagination.

[705upser]

The_Silent_1, on Jun 2 2009, 02:50 AM, said:

Follow the GM and Chrysler bankruptcy procedures and hearings and you will get a glimpse of your own future.
The guy in Harrisburgh is playing a dangerous game just to fly in the face of the IBT and 705 is pure TDU. They get paid to oppose the IBT.

I see a lot of tough talk here from a bunch of guys who are standing on very thin ice.

If you call representing the members and asking companies to honor the contracts that they have agreed to opposing the IBT, then your 100% right!!!

The IBT is filled with a bunch of corrupt company suck holes! The IBT has already agreed to reopen the contract and give more concessions to YRC! When will the brass of YRC give themselves some concessions? Isnt 10% of their pay worth something? Now YRC has not made any pension contributuions. Central States has frozen any YRC employee pension now to. So these employees are working for less money and not gaining any pension time for hours worked. Thanks Jimmy great f-ing job!

ANd we do not have one elected card carrying TDU member working for 705! Get your facts straight!

[Farley]

conquist.....the t-net is ten yeas old, but who said that the t-net was the only forum or was even a forum when Carey looted the treasury and DRIVE funds, and gifted UPS millions from the Central States? the alleged "loudmouths" that were quiet when this happened were you toodleooers....and the question remains, "where were all the heavy mouths (toodleooers) when Carey was on his rampage against the Union, the Central States, and against the DRIVE fund. you toodleooers were dead silent.....so you have no moral authority to yelp now, since it is a feigned outrage selectively applied.....but then, that is expected because, after all, you are toodleooers.

[fr8man]

Ya Con..take that. Thats a grown man(supposedly) talking to you in baby talk. If 20 yrs later he's still concerned about a guy thats dead, I'd like to know where his big mouth was back then. I knew alot of Union big shots back then that were right up Careys ass untill the allegations came out about the election campaign funds, then they were all breaking their necks to get up Hoffas ass. Where were you Farley?? Not that it really matters, cause what does matter is that things are FALLING APART NOW!!! Oh and heres a flash, its not all because of the economy either. Theres been a ton of bad decisons and poor leadership. If you can't at least acknowledge that, then theres no use to keep arguing with u on here. I like a good arguement, but when its just political rather than factual, I can't keep going...sorry