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[stark]

GET OVER IT....So, John McCain is a divorced man and is the lucky benefactor to his 2nd.wife's fabulous booze (the most addictive legal drug in the country) fortune!...GET OVER IT!!

Get A LIFE........So, Sarah Palin, is the mother of an unwed 17 year old daughter!..ignore this and GET A LIFE!!

Hey, the "moral" watchdog of the country the "evangelicas" have no problem with any of this why should you?

McCain and Palin are Republicans and that's ALL that should matter!!

After all, the Democrats have only two "male" canidates that have never been divorced..have no sex scandal going and no pregant dughters to parade before the public that they can use as some skewered "pro life" example!

The RNC wants Americans to "GET OVER" a hell of a lot more than their canidates "moral" flaws..they want us to GET OVER a political party that, hates individual freedoms..the right to join a UNION, the right to have decent health care, the right to have a pension in your old age...and if you want to "GET A LIFE"... then you better figure out a way to get rich enough to take care of yourself pretty damn quick!

[a673teamster]

stark, on Sep 3 2008, 03:55 AM, said:

GET OVER IT....So, John McCain is a divorced man and is the lucky benefactor to his 2nd.wife's fabulous booze (the most addictive legal drug in the country) fortune!...GET OVER IT!!

Get A LIFE........So, Sarah Palin, is the mother of an unwed 17 year old daughter!..ignore this and GET A LIFE!!

Hey, the "moral" watchdog of the country the "evangelicas" have no problem with any of this why should you?

McCain and Palin are Republicans and that's ALL that should matter!!

After all, the Democrats have only two "male" canidates that have never been divorced..have no sex scandal going and no pregant dughters to parade before the public that they can use as some skewered "pro life" example!

The RNC wants Americans to "GET OVER" a hell of a lot more than their canidates "moral" flaws..they want us to GET OVER a political party that, hates individual freedoms..the right to join a UNION, the right to have decent health care, the right to have a pension in your old age...and if you want to "GET A LIFE"... then you better figure out a way to get rich enough to take care of yourself pretty damn quick!

I like this post, it gets right to the point, and I feel it as close to the truth as you will get. Thanks Stark

[DRZ]

GET OVER IT....So, John McCain is a divorced man and is the lucky benefactor to his 2nd.wife's fabulous booze (the most addictive legal drug in the country) fortune!...GET OVER IT!!

So, she's chair of the board and highly compensated. Most chairmen of very large companies are. How awful! Welcome to America.

Get A LIFE........So, Sarah Palin, is the mother of an unwed 17 year old daughter!..ignore this and GET A LIFE!!

Wasn't Obama born out of wedlock? Ignore that? What does it matter anyway?

Hey, the "moral" watchdog of the country the "evangelicas" have no problem with any of this why should you?

Everyone can make their own moral choices? Welcome to America.

McCain and Palin are Republicans and that's ALL that should matter!!

And Obama's a democrat. The point being? It's a two party system. Welcome to America.

After all, the Democrats have only two "male" canidates that have never been divorced..have no sex scandal going and no pregant dughters to parade before the public that they can use as some skewered "pro life" example!

That just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

The RNC wants Americans to "GET OVER" a hell of a lot more than their canidates "moral" flaws..they want us to GET OVER a political party that, hates individual freedoms..the right to join a UNION, the right to have decent health care, the right to have a pension in your old age...and if you want to "GET A LIFE"... then you better figure out a way to get rich enough to take care of yourself pretty damn quick!

When were you refused the 'right' to join a union?

The 'right' to health care and the 'right' to a pension? I'll have to reread the U.S. Constitution. I don't remember seeing those 'rights' noted.

To get rich enough to take care of yourself? Exactly. Now you're making sense. Getting an education or learning a new trade or skills makes your time and abilities more valuable. You will be better compensated. Imagine, people taking care of themselves and theirs?

[a673teamster]

DRZ, on Sep 4 2008, 04:15 PM, said:

GET OVER IT....So, John McCain is a divorced man and is the lucky benefactor to his 2nd.wife's fabulous booze (the most addictive legal drug in the country) fortune!...GET OVER IT!!

So, she's chair of the board and highly compensated. Most chairmen of very large companies are. How awful! Welcome to America.

Get A LIFE........So, Sarah Palin, is the mother of an unwed 17 year old daughter!..ignore this and GET A LIFE!!

Wasn't Obama born out of wedlock? Ignore that? What does it matter anyway?

Hey, the "moral" watchdog of the country the "evangelicas" have no problem with any of this why should you?

Everyone can make their own moral choices? Welcome to America.

McCain and Palin are Republicans and that's ALL that should matter!!

And Obama's a democrat. The point being? It's a two party system. Welcome to America.

After all, the Democrats have only two "male" canidates that have never been divorced..have no sex scandal going and no pregant dughters to parade before the public that they can use as some skewered "pro life" example!

That just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

The RNC wants Americans to "GET OVER" a hell of a lot more than their canidates "moral" flaws..they want us to GET OVER a political party that, hates individual freedoms..the right to join a UNION, the right to have decent health care, the right to have a pension in your old age...and if you want to "GET A LIFE"... then you better figure out a way to get rich enough to take care of yourself pretty damn quick!

When were you refused the 'right' to join a union?

The 'right' to health care and the 'right' to a pension? I'll have to reread the U.S. Constitution. I don't remember seeing those 'rights' noted.

To get rich enough to take care of yourself? Exactly. Now you're making sense. Getting an education or learning a new trade or skills makes your time and abilities more valuable. You will be better compensated. Imagine, people taking care of themselves and theirs?

Have you ever been a Union member? Do you even know who the middle class citizens of this country are?

[RATbuster133]

DRZ, on Sep 4 2008, 04:15 PM, said:

GET OVER IT....So, John McCain is a divorced man and is the lucky benefactor to his 2nd.wife's fabulous booze (the most addictive legal drug in the country) fortune!...GET OVER IT!!

So, she's chair of the board and highly compensated. Most chairmen of very large companies are. How awful! Welcome to America.

Get A LIFE........So, Sarah Palin, is the mother of an unwed 17 year old daughter!..ignore this and GET A LIFE!!

Wasn't Obama born out of wedlock? Ignore that? What does it matter anyway?

Hey, the "moral" watchdog of the country the "evangelicas" have no problem with any of this why should you?

Everyone can make their own moral choices? Welcome to America.

McCain and Palin are Republicans and that's ALL that should matter!!

And Obama's a democrat. The point being? It's a two party system. Welcome to America.

After all, the Democrats have only two "male" canidates that have never been divorced..have no sex scandal going and no pregant dughters to parade before the public that they can use as some skewered "pro life" example!

That just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

The RNC wants Americans to "GET OVER" a hell of a lot more than their canidates "moral" flaws..they want us to GET OVER a political party that, hates individual freedoms..the right to join a UNION, the right to have decent health care, the right to have a pension in your old age...and if you want to "GET A LIFE"... then you better figure out a way to get rich enough to take care of yourself pretty damn quick!

When were you refused the 'right' to join a union?

The 'right' to health care and the 'right' to a pension? I'll have to reread the U.S. Constitution. I don't remember seeing those 'rights' noted.

To get rich enough to take care of yourself? Exactly. Now you're making sense. Getting an education or learning a new trade or skills makes your time and abilities more valuable. You will be better compensated. Imagine, people taking care of themselves and theirs?

You're kidding, right? You obviously have no clue what you are talking about and really don't even belong here. This is your first post, you list your local number as "123" which in reality is out of Bismarck, ND, but somehow I suspect you're a roving plant for the right spewing your disgusting conservative anti-union "right-to-work", hooray for me and the hell with you filth on our message boards. I suggest you get out of here and never return; the BULLSH**, er I mean straight talk express is now boarding in gate 123. Seeya!

"fight with me, fight with me; stand up. stand up and fight. We're Americans, stand up and fight for what's right. Stand up for justice." - John McCain

Now, if only he knew what was right and just.......THE LABOR MOVEMENT.

[DRZ]

Have you ever been a Union member?

No. The majority of my immediate and extended family are. I respect that and they respect me. I take a good amount of crap from them but that’s ok. I can take it and give it. I don’t cross picket lines.

Do you even know who the middle class citizens of this country are?

Me. And my family and friends. I wear a hardhat and I’m willing to bet I get dirtier than the majority of people on this forum.

Are we to take from the quotes around right that you don't think it's an American's right to join a union? If so, please, educate us on how precisely it's not a right.

Ok. Maybe you got me on the quotes. You have the rights to pursue happiness, assembly, and petition. If a union makes you happy, by all means join. Is it a ‘right’ to join a union? I don’t know. It’s a personal choice.

You're kidding, right? You obviously have no clue what you are talking about and really don't even belong here. This is your first post, you list your local number as "123" which in reality is out of Bismarck, ND

I put ‘123’ because I tried to register several times with the field left blank and with ‘none’ typed in.

but somehow I suspect you're a roving plant for the right spewing your disgusting conservative anti-union "right-to-work", hooray for me and the hell with you filth on our message boards. I suggest you get out of here and never return; the BULLSH**,


Patent union reply. Does someone else’s opinion scare you that much? Go ahead and call me names and throw interwebz cussing at me. I can handle it.

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Sorry guys. I am not anti-union. I’ve been lurking on this forum a while and can actually agree with some of what I read.

What I really disagree with is the sense of entitlement and the huge amount of whining and blaming everyone else for your problems that I see here.

Everything is not black and white. The upcoming elections sure have everyone whipped into a frenzy and the emotions are running high. I heard a guy at work today proclaim “The democrats represent me and I will vote democrat until I make $400K per year” Is that the solution? He’s ‘entitled’ to that salary? I got news for you. If your job is moving heavy things from here to there, you’ll never make that much. Blame Bush! Blame republicans! I don’t have what the next guy has! That’s the solution?

So go ahead and call me names and cuss me. I can take it. If the moderators want to ban me that’s their choice. If you don’t mind someone not from your mold, that can see both sides of an issue and disagree with you then let me hang around and post my opinion. Ya’ll are pretty tough. I think you can handle me.

[stark]

DRZ

WECOME TO AMERICA?

I'm all for anybody being able to "make it" in America..get a good education in order to get a better job..yeah, that works pretty well,..but not always, i.e. Bill Gates college drop out...

However, most employers depend on their work force to turn the profits to run their interprises to profit themselves, or shareholders to become rich..and richer.

As to "entitlements"...what "entitles" these companies or even "small business owners" to empoly a work force that are, at the current minium wage (or double) a burden on our "welfare" system...as taxpayors..why should WE collectively pick up their slack?

Hey, let's just do away with Social Security, Medicare, or Medicade..and the dreaded Food Stamps (even though many military families get food stamps)...let's become a thrid world country where the rich are extremely rich...while everybody else can either get any work they can, stay healthy or have the "deceny" to die!

You say you have many family members that work Union jobs...Well, let's do away with their UNION..and let YOU care enough to take care of them..pay their medical bills, feed, house and clothe them, and take care of them in their old age....Hell,..they are YOUR family members not MINE...or is it working out a hell of a lot better because they have a UNION that keeps them from being a "burden" on any damn body...but, the companies they WORK for...of course!

[DRZ]

…why someone not in our union would want to discuss issues with us as a group

I enjoy learning about most any topic. I’ve got some expertise in a few areas but can still form and express opinions on other things. The Open Forum on this board is largely political and I don’t agree with much of what I read here. Besides, some of the comments and opinions I read here remind me of a train wreck. It’s hard to look away.

It's not a "right," it's a RIGHT;…

OK. I learned something here. I don’t mind being called wrong and learning something new in the process. So, back to the OP… when was he refused the opportunity to join? And does he really feel entitled to the other things?

However, most employers depend on their work force to turn the profits to run their interprises to profit themselves, or shareholders to become rich..and richer.

I agree.

As to "entitlements"...what "entitles" these companies or even "small business owners" …

The person who owns/runs the company maybe?

to empoly a work force that are, at the current minium wage (or double)…

A job pays what the market will bear. A doctor receives more than a fry cook.

...as taxpayors..why should WE collectively pick up their slack?

Excellent question.

Hey, let's just do away with Social Security, Medicare, or Medicade..and the dreaded Food Stamps (even though many military families get food stamps)...

While many are deserving of these programs, they are widely abused. I know many that are able bodied but choose to use all their time ‘waiting on the check’.

You say you have many family members that work Union jobs...Well, let's do away with their UNION..and let YOU care enough to take care of them..

Most are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves if their union jobs went away. The others would have to work harder. Imagine that!

feed, house and clothe them, and take care of them in their old age....Hell,..they are YOUR family members not MINE...

My mother in law lives with us. Her husband (2nd generation union) passed away 20 years ago. Most of her benefits have run out.

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The expected entitlements and socialistic attitudes you express just reeks of coveting what the other guy has. You want a cushy retirement? Work hard all your life and plan well.
I know a guy that dropped out of high school and started working for a deck builder. He carried wood and dug post holes for many years. Then he struck out on his own and started his own business. The decks he builds have made him very wealthy. That bastard!! I don't have what he has!!! The government should do something about that!!!

We'll need a lot of cheese to go with this whine.

[DRZ]

Apologies extended. ‘Preaching’ unintended. I am expressing my opinions and am not expecting anyone here to change their opinions to match mine.

Most are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves if their union jobs went away. The others would have to work harder.

I think you read way too much into this statement. I was replying to a direct question about my family. Most of them could maintain their current standard of living without the union and others would have to work harder to do so.

…the fact that just over 25% of all unionizing drives are accompanied by illegal firings of union supporters which is designed to prevent unionization…
Workers should not have to toil non-union if they don't desire to do so; if they want a union and pursue unionization in comport with federal law, then they should have a union.


I'd like to ask questions about this. Maybe in another thread.

[stark]

DRZ..You stated that your mother-in law lives with you and has been a widow for 20 yeaes..and most of her benefits have run out? No doubt if she was covered by Union health care that benefit stopped when she be eligible for Social Security and Medicare. Hopefuly her remaing benefit is her late husbands survivor pension which was not reduced when her Social Security kicked in...At least this is how my and many other Union retirement plans work.

I hope your, mother- in law is doing well..and I for one do not begrudge her one dime of her Social Security/Medicare and I will refrain from calling these "entitlments"..it's an insult to the folks that worked hard for many years to make them sound like slackerds sitting around waiting for a check.

And the Republicans have been trying for years to do away with Social Security and Welfare....older people like myself may be alright until we die....however these young and more increasing number of middle aged people out there today Union or not that have little expectation of being with the same employer for years and years will need these programs more than ever.

With the increasing loss of single employer benefits..only a National program will keep these people from ending up on the streets....millions of hard working Americans are only one hospital stay away form bankruptcy..not to mention the number of people that already site medical bills as the reason they have had to use up saving for things like retirement or college education fund for their kids...

[DRZ]

I’ve been reading some on the links provided earlier. There’s much too much information there, but…

If a company had one employee and he wanted to join/form a union he has that right. He presents the employer with a contract that he finds fair. The employer rejects it, so the employee goes on strike. He can’t be fired because he’s in a union but the employer can replace him. If it’s an unskilled position, the employee doesn’t doesn’t have much hope.

If ten people wanted to join/form a union, present a contract they think is fair and the employer rejects it, the employees have a better chance of strike being successful.

If 100 employees do it their chances are much better. If Boeings 30,000 machinists do it they stand a very good chance of succeeding. Power in numbers.

But…

If the current economy is such that other people decide what the employer is offering is fair and there are enough of them to fill the jobs, the striking employees lose their bargaining edge. Obviously the jobs being a highly skilled or unskilled would play a big part.

It seems to me that the person doing the job decides what’s fair. So… unless it’s a large skilled workforce, a strike would never be successful.

Would the Walmart debacle fit into this scenario?

I know this is kind of off-the-wall but I HAVE been doing some reading and I’ve come up with a bunch of ‘what ifs’.

[alex_y]

Personally I think that you are a fake and that everyone is exhibiting a tremendous amount of patience and wasting their time trying to educate you. You pretend to know just a little yet you have all the markings of a mole. Best to ignore you and let burrow back into the republican hole from whence you came.

[alex_y]

Overview - DRZ Virus

BackDoor-DRZ trojan provides remote access capabilities to an attacker by opening a backdoor on the compromised machine.
Characteristics
Characteristics -

There are several versions existed. This is a general description. Newer versions require the latest DATs for detection and cleaning.

Upon execution, the trojan drops itself to the following file.

* %Windr%\winnet.dll

The trojan modifies the following registry keys:

* HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon\Notify\LengFeng
"Asynchronous" =1
"DllName" = %WINDIR%\winnet.dll
"Impersonate" = 0
"Shutdown" = LFShutdown
"Startup" = LFStartup

This trojan spawns an "iexplore.exe" and injects the dll into the process.

The backdoor connects to the following site and waits for commands.

* skytwo43.[removed].org: 443

The backdoor has the following functions:

* gather system information
* create/terminate/list processes
* list files/directories
* download/upload files
* provide a remote command prompt (cmd.exe)

Symptoms
Symptoms -

* existence of mentioned file and registry keys
* connections to the mentioned remote hosts

Method of Infection
Method of Infection -

This purpose of this trojan is simply to download a file from the Internet and execute it. It does not self-replicate. Downloader trojans are frequently sent in spammed emails designed to entice the recipient into running the file.

[jimbo]

Daaaaam! Pretty sharp alex. Not bad at all. Thanks!