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[TeamsterNet]

I recieved the recent flyer that someone sent me that is being distributed by TDU so I put together a flyer of my own. I would like a full discussion and debate about this so please reply to this thread if you have any comments, concerns or suggestions.

Please download and distribute to as many DHL Teamsters as possible.

Thanks.

-Phil

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[Echo]

Excellent flyer, Brother

We all know who the "twinhorse 249" that came up with and distributed that flyer is.......................... before the whole contract was even released.

[DrJekyl]

I have to see the local supplement to know if it is strong enough to supersede the master agreement. Also, I wonder if all cities have a better local rider. Maybe just enough to get yes votes I don't know but I would prefer if all were on the same page. After all it is a NATIONAL AGREEMENT ya know. Does the company really need part-timers to compete and stay in business? I am on the fence about this issue. It would be nice to know what the meaning of ( maintain a large US presence is). I'd like an answer to this before we voted on such a pivotal part of our careers.

[govik]

Nice job on the flyer Phil, about this twinhorse 249, maybe twinhorse is upset because he wasn't allowed to play in the contract talks, sounds like a big cry baby to me. attention all TDU bitches, quit your crying and stop the distribution of those half stories that you're passing out and let the real men do their jobs, you babies will be the first to cry when you're out jobs, because i'm sure that all of you have really good talents outside of delivering your 2 pound letters

[TeamsterNet]

I was unaware that guest could not download attachments. This has been fixed.

-Phil

[ltlhuzz]

govik, on Mar 7 2008, 01:38 PM, said:

Nice job on the flyer Phil, about this twinhorse 249, maybe twinhorse is upset because he wasn't allowed to play in the contract talks, sounds like a big cry baby to me. attention all TDU bitches, quit your crying and stop the distribution of those half stories that you're passing out and let the real men do their jobs, you babies will be the first to cry when you're out jobs, because i'm sure that all of you have really good talents outside of delivering your 2 pound letters

It's one thing to bust TDU's balls but I have to disagree with you on the generalization of DHL drivers as being talentless (fellow TEAMSTER) drivers. It seems to me that you think all the brothers and sisters that work at DHL are not familiar with other types of equipment (you are dead wrong.) Sure, quite a few landed DHL as their first job but also quite a few did'nt. We may not be able to back a set of doubles down Lombard St. (like yourself) but there are plenty of us that are perfectly capable at getting the job done at any of the Teamster barns across the U.S.

[shark]

i don't get it. the flyer says tdu is lying yet it doesnt offer any details to contradict what the tdu flyer says.

[uwe]

I WAS TOLD TODAY THAT ALL OF DHL HAS PART TIMERS EXCEPT 3 STATES, IS THIS TRUE? ANYONE ?

[govik]

ltlhuzz, on Mar 7 2008, 02:24 PM, said:

It's one thing to bust TDU's balls but I have to disagree with you on the generalization of DHL drivers as being talentless (fellow TEAMSTER) drivers. It seems to me that you think all the brothers and sisters that work at DHL are not familiar with other types of equipment (you are dead wrong.) Sure, quite a few landed DHL as their first job but also quite a few did'nt. We may not be able to back a set of doubles down Lombard St. (like yourself) but there are plenty of us that are perfectly capable at getting the job done at any of the Teamster barns across the U.S.

That wasn't intended to put down dhl drivers as being talentless, it is meant for the TDU boys who keep passing false information out to their barns telling them to vote the contract down before they even see the real contract, those are the ones that will be the first ones to cry when they are looking for jobs, they're against part timers, no one wants to see part timers but thats the way the industry is these days. DHL should have stayed in master freight like the TDU groupies wanted, just think DHL would have been better off signing the me too, they would have all of the part time jobs they wanted at a cheaper rate. wake up TDU

[TeamsterNet]

I think it is important for those of us that work at DHL to understand who and what is behind the material being pushed by TDU.

The flyer that is titled "DHL Contract 2008 - Summary of Key Changes in the Proposed Contract" says at the bottom:

"This bulletin produced, paid for and distributed by concerned DHL Teamsters who want to defend our contract and protect our future"

This is a flat out lie and it makes me sick to my stomach. How can these bastards stoop so low? To play games with peoples lives for their own politics. What it should say is, "This bulletin produced David Levin, paid for by TDU distributed by concerned DHL Teamsters who were lied to for our own POLITICAL future".

How do I know it is a lie? If you download the .pdf file and look at the file properties you will notice that it says "Author: David Levin". Looks like vanity got it the way of covering their tracks, Oops! I have attached an image to prove it. No doubt they will double back and fix this but if you already have the .pdf file you can see for yourself.

Open the file in Adobe Acrobat and hit "Ctrl + D" on your keyboard.

That begs the questions:

• Who is David Levin?
  
• Which DHL station does he work at?
  
• Is he a Teamster?

Who is David Levin? David Levin is the political spokesman for Tom Leedham 3x defeated TDU Candidate for Teamsters President.

Which DHL station does he work at? He does not work for DHL, AStar, Danzas or ABX. He is the political spokesman for TDU.

Is he a Teamster? No. He is a liar!


So what are DHL Teamsters to do about the upcoming vote?

• When the settlement agreement is released next week take your copy and read it!
  
• Have a highlighter or notepad handy and write down any questions you have.
  
• Next, get answers to those questions from your union officials and/or your Stewards and/or your co-workers and/or www.teamster.net .
  
• Attend your Union Meetings and be part of the discussion.
  
• Vote!

If you post them here I will give you an unvarnished no-spin no-bullshit answer.

-Phil

p.s. Who am I? My name is Phil Ybarrolaza son of Alex and Judy Ybarrolaza, I am a twenty year and third generation Teamster. I have been the webmaster www.teamster.net for the last 10 years and I worked at DHL/Airborne Express for over thirteen years. I have been elected twice as a Shop Steward and I am currently serving my first term as Vice-President of Teamsters Local 624. I work now as a Business Agent for Local 624 and I still maintain my seniority at DHL. I love my Union and my co-workers.

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[delegatexvp]

Phil, Thanks for giving the other side of things. I have heard some very good things about this contract. Make sure you guys vote!

[DougSmiley]

Flyers don't really make any impact on the membership. If you want action you're gonna have to do it the hard way by disrupting union meetings, civil disobedience and forming a dissident group comprised of militant, enlightened union members and reach out to dissidents in other labor unions. Nobody really gives a shit about the new DHL contract unless we reach out to the dissidents in the UAW, the Steelworkers, the SEIU, the Longshoremen,,,etc. Until that happens we are just pissing in the wind handing out flyers.

Try visiting LaborNotes to see what it means to be an enlightened, militant union member.

[Echo]

TeamsterNet, on Mar 9 2008, 05:32 AM, said:

I think it is important for those of us that work at DHL to understand who and what is behind the material being pushed by TDU.

The flyer that is titled "DHL Contract 2008 - Summary of Key Changes in the Proposed Contract" says at the bottom:

"This bulletin produced, paid for and distributed by concerned DHL Teamsters who want to defend our contract and protect our future"

This is a flat out lie and it makes me sick to my stomach. How can these bastards stoop so low? To play games with peoples lives for their own politics. What it should say is, "This bulletin produced David Levin, paid for by TDU distributed by concerned DHL Teamsters who were lied to for our own POLITICAL future".

How do I know it is a lie? If you download the .pdf file and look at the file properties you will notice that it says "Author: David Levin". Looks like vanity got it the way of covering their tracks, Oops! I have attached an image to prove it. No doubt they will double back and fix this but if you already have the .pdf file you can see for yourself.

Open the file in Adobe Acrobat and hit "Ctrl + D" on your keyboard.

That begs the questions:

• Who is David Levin?
  
• Which DHL station does he work at?
  
• Is he a Teamster?

Who is David Levin? David Levin is the political spokesman for Tom Leedham 3x defeated TDU Candidate for Teamsters President.

Which DHL station does he work at? He does not work for DHL, AStar, Danzas or ABX. He is the political spokesman for TDU.

Is he a Teamster? No. He is a liar!


So what are DHL Teamsters to do about the upcoming vote?

• When the settlement agreement is released next week take your copy and read it!
  
• Have a highlighter or notepad handy and write down any questions you have.
  
• Next, get answers to those questions from your union officials and/or your Stewards and/or your co-workers and/or www.teamster.net .
  
• Attend your Union Meetings and be part of the discussion.
  
• Vote!

If you post them here I will give you an unvarnished no-spin no-bullshit answer.

-Phil

p.s. Who am I? My name is Phil Ybarrolaza son of Alex and Judy Ybarrolaza, I am a twenty year and third generation Teamster. I have been the webmaster www.teamster.net for the last 10 years and I worked at DHL/Airborne Express for over thirteen years. I have been elected twice as a Shop Steward and I am currently serving my first term as Vice-President of Teamsters Local 624. I work now as a Business Agent for Local 624 and I still maintain my seniority at DHL. I love my Union and my co-workers.

All true and their number one lap dog is Mark Woods a dhl committee man from pittsburgh, and gary alward a former officer in 249................they are trying to discredit dini the rs/ba for 249 who is also a dhl guy and put on the committee by slawson. I hear its not working though. They also have buffaloed the guys on that DHL teamster forum as well.
From what i hear the contract is mostly NMFA language..............we shall see.

[X174driver]

You are correct, "mostly NMFA" except the DHL Agreement retains the 40 hour per month health and welfare qualifier and $1.15 more in wages over 5 years. The part-time language is the boogy man language that needs to be read and understood. It is true there are some large areas around the Country that have part-time language already. As I understand it the main issue is how the part-time language will affect Driver's ability to work 55 to 60 hours per week. Maybe people should think about the value of working 45 hours a week and spending more time with your wife and kids or more time doing what you "want" to do instead of "have" to do.

[DHL]

X174driver, on Mar 8 2008, 10:34 PM, said:

You are correct, "mostly NMFA" except the DHL Agreement retains the 40 hour per month health and welfare qualifier and $1.15 more in wages over 5 years. The part-time language is the boogy man language that needs to be read and understood. It is true there are some large areas around the Country that have part-time language already. As I understand it the main issue is how the part-time language will affect Driver's ability to work 55 to 60 hours per week. Maybe people should think about the value of working 45 hours a week and spending more time with your wife and kids or more time doing what you "want" to do instead of "have" to do.

Another contract expert has spoken about a contract they haven't seen.
My understanding is that articles 1 thru 39 are the foundation, then the DHL National PUD section followed by the Regional supplement.
The effect of PTers is more than the possible Ot loss. Maybe you should consider the fact that some of us would rather have a parent home caring for the family while we work to have a solid home life. Are you fortunate enough to be able to manage on a single income? I am not saying we will work 55-60 hours a week but I take an early start to not only get out at a reasonable hour for family issues but YES it does mean my OT begins all that earlier too. There are weeks that I may work a Sat to get some hours and Saturday work for some stops once school gets out for the summer.
This is not the first time PTers has been played up as the help the company needs, they just abuse them. The hiring of PTers and the possible red circle of full time drivers will only see to the reduction of full time positions without the proper control over full time jobs.
The Teamsters were always about "family first" and some of the language in the proposal is detrimental to that cause. Part timers will NOT get all the Teamsters have to offer and UPS is NOT a company run like DHL.
I believe if every one took care of what they "have" to do it would be easier to do what they "want" to do.
I "must" provide a comfortable living and proper care for myself and my family. which I do. Not all are able to make it on fewer hours than the company has allowed us to work over the years. Were they thinking about hours when the posted all those 10 hour runs that begin a t 8 or 9 am? I think not. Those shifts take people out of their homes for the entire day. Leaving home at 7-730 to get in for a 8 am start to make del and pus and returns home after supper is over really helped the company didn't it? I think not and it certainly didn't propmote good family life.
Perhaps you should know what you are talking about, especially if it doesn't effect you.
This happens to effect many of us and some that don't even know yet.
Good luck

P.S. Why is there "outing" of users on this forum now?
The IBT gave NO information at all about these negotiations, TDU did.
( not that I promote TDU at all, which I don't )
Teamster First

[X174driver]

Brother did your mom not breast feed you long enough? Why all the hostility? For someone who hasn't seen the whole deal you seem angry. Did you drink the TDU coolaid? I'm not sure why it matters but yes, I sacrificed material things so my wife was able to stay at home with my kids. I managed my household budget on a 40 hour work week and when I was forced to work O/T it went into the bank. Of course that was over 20 years ago and I realize things have changed for young guys with families.

[Echo]

The IBT doesn't negotiate contracts out in the open,in the papers, or anywhere else, that's more TDU bullshit. If you do the work of TDU............................your TDU




TDU SUCKS

[DHL]

X174driver, on Mar 9 2008, 12:56 AM, said:

Brother did your mom not breast feed you long enough? Why all the hostility? For someone who hasn't seen the whole deal you seem angry. Did you drink the TDU coolaid? I'm not sure why it matters but yes, I sacrificed material things so my wife was able to stay at home with my kids. I managed my household budget on a 40 hour work week and when I was forced to work O/T it went into the bank. Of course that was over 20 years ago and I realize things have changed for young guys with families.

Great response creep
Not hostility at all, brother, breast feed this and lay off the moms and so will I lay off yours.

You have taken more than you will leave after 20 years and the young will pay for your simple pleasures.
So 20 years is what to you? A badge of merit? It is not my first time in the game either, brother, so pick your own poison of "needs" and "wants" We earned our seniority and we will decide when to work not the company contract that takes it away. Maybe it is time for you to leave since you are all set.

Without a good regional supplement this contract does suck overall. (like TDU)

[rockpile25]

X174driver, on Mar 9 2008, 02:34 PM, said:

You are correct, "mostly NMFA" except the DHL Agreement retains the 40 hour per month health and welfare qualifier and $1.15 more in wages over 5 years. The part-time language is the boogy man language that needs to be read and understood. It is true there are some large areas around the Country that have part-time language already. As I understand it the main issue is how the part-time language will affect Driver's ability to work 55 to 60 hours per week. Maybe people should think about the value of working 45 hours a week and spending more time with your wife and kids or more time doing what you "want" to do instead of "have" to do.

I HAVE TO AGREE WITH DHL ON THIS,LIVING IN THE BOSTON AREA WITH HOUSING COST ONLY SECOND TO SAN FRANCISCO,MORTGAGES OVER TWO GRAND A MONTH,HEATING OIL $3.49 A GALLON,GROCERY BILLS 27%HIGHER THAN ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE NATION OF COURSE WE NEED OUR OVER TIME TO SURVIVE!!!IN THE BOSTON AREA YOU CANNOT QUALIFY FOR A MORTGAGE UNLESS YOUR HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS OVER A 100 GRAND AND THIS IS NOT BULLSHIT!A NATIONAL CONTRACT IS GOOD AND YES IT WILL PASS BECAUSE JUST LIKE UPS THE GUYS AND GIRLS WHO LIVE ACROSS THE REST OF THE COUNTRY DONT HAVE IT HALF AS BAD AS WE DO IN GOOD OLD MASS. AND THEY WILL ALL VOTE THIS CONTRACT IN.WE MUST BE STEADFAST AND MAKE SURE OUR LOCAL ADDENDUMS AND RIDERS COVER OUR DIFFERENCES AND KEEP US AND OUR SENIORITY PROTECTED.SOME GOOD NEWS OUT OF OUR LOCAL IS THAT WE WILL TAKE OVER THE AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS NO MORE SCABS AND WE WILL BE RETAINING THE 6TH AND 7TH PUNCHES,LOOKS WE ARE OFF TO A GOOD START!!YOURS IN THE BROTHERHOOD ROCKPILE 25!

[Echo]

MORE TDU BULLSHIT SPIN. RIGHT FROM THE "TWIN HORSES" MOUTH







twinhorses249
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Re: FACTS
« Reply #1 on: Today at 10:05:38 AM »

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A brief response to each false statement:
TDU has not supported all contracts negotiated by Ron Carey and opposed all others. And on a number of national contracts, TDU has not taken any position. What is true is that in the current round of bargaining, TDU has opposed the direction taken in freight, UPS, carhaul and now DHL: massive concessions, in a form that undermine Teamster power. (Sometimes in exchange for getting members via card check.) TDU considers it a dangerous turn for our union, away from decades of building master contracts. So do many Hoffa supporters who care about the future of our master contracts. (TDU did not write that leaflet; DHL members did after their conference call last weekend.

Ron Carey stole millions of dollars? Ron Carey was never even accused of stealing 1c of union funds, and in fact reduced his own salary approximately $100,000 per year. It is true that Carey hired campaign consultants who later leveraged union funds and pocketed some $200,000. He paid a big price for that happening on his watch: he was removed for office. Of course other Teamster presidents did steal millions of dollars. Jackie Presser was indicted for racketeering and embezzling millions (he passed away before the trial, where his co-conspirator was convicted). James R Hoffa (OUR CURRENT PRESIDENT'S DAD) was convicted in a jury trial of stealing money from the Central States Pension Fund. He was also separately convicted after he took payoffs from carhaul employers and bribed several jurors in case (and was convicted for jury tampering).

TDU does not negotiate contracts? Well, TDU is not a union, but a reform movement. TDU members certainly do negotiate and administer contracts. What's the point here?

TDU excludes Teamsters? Who are you talking about? Even some of Hoffa's International Reps have confidentially joined TDU (perhaps they are concerned about the new direction, or perhaps they just want to get TDU materials in the mail). TDU is an open organization. We do reserve the right to exclude people; that is a hallmark of democratic rights for a group that powerful people may want to disrupt. For example, if President Bush decides he should participate in the Democratic Convention in August, you can bet he will not be allowed in. Similarly if a KKKer wants to participate in the NAACP convention. Those are unlikely, just as it is unlikely that TDU will have to exclude people.

TDU is employer funded? Hmm. Isn't that highly illegal? And the IBT has a large stable of attorneys to go after TDU, right? This silly charge has been made each election cycle, from 1991 to 2006. No Election Officer has ever found anything to it after thorough investigations with forensic accountants, nor has the Labor Department or anyone else. It is not TDU leaders who golf with employers! In fact, in over 30 years of existence, TDU has never been implicated in any corruption. In the Teamsters; that's a proud record!
In a statement issued two weeks ago, brother Ybarrolaza stated that "TDUs true mission: to take control of the Teamsters and hand control over to the Flag Burning, Criminal Rights NOT Victim's Rights, Socialist/Communist wing of the Democratic party and ultimately merge the Teamsters into a larger Communist Labor group." Wow. Was TDU behind the 9-11 attacks and global warming, too?

Instead of recycling old lies about TDU, why not address the issues raised in the DHL leaflet which Teamsters are distributing from coast to coast. Start with Brad Slawson's proposal to convert DHL to a company built on low-wage part-time labor. And don't be so afraid of those who may disagree with you. Only dictatorships have such a fear of any grassroots organization or opposition group.



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Re: DHL contract summary flyer
« Reply #3 on: Today at 10:00:10 AM »

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Dear Brother:

After seeing on T Net last night the one sided story given by a few of the "individuals" who post on there, I decided not to respond to their bullshit. They in no way, shape, or form defended the contract itself or said it was FALSE. All they did was attack TDU.

Fact: Yes the October documents were incomplete at the time but the substance that was in them was detrimental to our collective welfare.

Fact: Certain BA's even if they are out of Airborne/DHL, will not be working under these conditions.

Fact: I am the author of all the factual information in the flyer. All TDU did for me was dress it up.

Business agents in certain locals are under the gun to sell this "rag" to the membership. We in Local 249 received a letter. In a few other locals the agents have been on the docks talking up how great this contract is.

The administration is just plain mad that we talk to each on this forum and hold conference calls. I have had several negotiators ease drop in on them. I refuse to be treated like a mushroom ( fed shit and kept in the dark) over my livelyhood. YOU ALL SHOULD BE TOO!

So ask your self this question my brothers and sisters: Is the union acting in my best interest or theirs?

UPS Contract: Did not create any full time jobs. Pulled 42000 FTers out of Central States Pension into one that is no better.

NMFA: Allowed part time dock workers. Also introduced the subcontracting of road work by allowing scab outfits to pickup trailers at railheads.

My fellow DHLers - WE CAN DO BETTER!


Mark Woods
Elected Committeeman - Local 249
PIT station