THE ASSOCIATION OF PARCEL WORKERS OF AMERICA (APWA)
Formed by UPS employees for UPS employees only.
www.parcelworkers.com
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Check it out and lets talk about it.
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Posted February 07 2006 - 12:37 PM
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Posted February 07 2006 - 12:58 PM
Scary, dude. Whatcha problem?
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Posted February 07 2006 - 01:47 PM
The website of this fake labor union declares on their website:
"We cannot impress upon you enough how extremely fortunate we are to have the team of professionals that we have assembled to represent you. Whether it be attorney, investment banker, insurance or CPA, all are second to none."
So who is the APWA attorney and what is his background? According to the APWA website, their legal mouthpiece and the real brains behind their organization is none other than Francis T. (Tom) Coleman. And Mr. Coleman is nothing more than a professional and highly paid union buster!
APWA proudly points out that attorney Coleman "is a partner in the Labor and Employment Law Section of Williams Mullen. Located in the firm’s Washington D.C. office, he concentrates his practice on all areas of labor and employment law. During his extensive 30-year career, Mr. Coleman has served as labor counsel to national trade associations and large corporate clients, as well as numerous other professional and business organizations."
And what kinds of legal action does Mr. Coleman's law firm engage in? Well, here is what they reveal on their website:
"Labor & Employment
The Labor & Employment Section of Williams Mullen provides ongoing labor and employment advice and counsel to a variety of businesses in the United States and throughout the world. The Section's attorneys represent clients in a number of sophisticated labor management relations issues, complex employment lawsuits, and intricate human resources problems.
Sample Representations
Protected client interests in connection with injunctions in labor disputes, including recognitional strikes, unfair labor practice strikes, and economic work stoppage.
Defeated union organizing attempts for clients in major manufacturing sectors, such as steel, paper, health care, printing, construction and mining.
Represented clients in decertification of unions.
Represented employers in grievance and arbitration matters arising under collective bargaining agreements.
Representation in various state and federal courts for companies accused of discrimination, wrongful discharge, wage and hour violations, ERISA violations, defamation, and unfair labor practices and in numerous appeals before state and federal appellate courts throughout the United States on a variety of labor and employment issues for employers.
Trained all levels of management for a variety of employers in union avoidance .... "
Like I said. The APWA is a fake union. It's a corporate run entity designed to soften up, deceive and weaken UPS workers and their union, the Teamsters Union.
http://www.williamsmullen.com/practice_are...+Employment.htm
"We cannot impress upon you enough how extremely fortunate we are to have the team of professionals that we have assembled to represent you. Whether it be attorney, investment banker, insurance or CPA, all are second to none."
So who is the APWA attorney and what is his background? According to the APWA website, their legal mouthpiece and the real brains behind their organization is none other than Francis T. (Tom) Coleman. And Mr. Coleman is nothing more than a professional and highly paid union buster!
APWA proudly points out that attorney Coleman "is a partner in the Labor and Employment Law Section of Williams Mullen. Located in the firm’s Washington D.C. office, he concentrates his practice on all areas of labor and employment law. During his extensive 30-year career, Mr. Coleman has served as labor counsel to national trade associations and large corporate clients, as well as numerous other professional and business organizations."
And what kinds of legal action does Mr. Coleman's law firm engage in? Well, here is what they reveal on their website:
"Labor & Employment
The Labor & Employment Section of Williams Mullen provides ongoing labor and employment advice and counsel to a variety of businesses in the United States and throughout the world. The Section's attorneys represent clients in a number of sophisticated labor management relations issues, complex employment lawsuits, and intricate human resources problems.
Sample Representations
Protected client interests in connection with injunctions in labor disputes, including recognitional strikes, unfair labor practice strikes, and economic work stoppage.
Defeated union organizing attempts for clients in major manufacturing sectors, such as steel, paper, health care, printing, construction and mining.
Represented clients in decertification of unions.
Represented employers in grievance and arbitration matters arising under collective bargaining agreements.
Representation in various state and federal courts for companies accused of discrimination, wrongful discharge, wage and hour violations, ERISA violations, defamation, and unfair labor practices and in numerous appeals before state and federal appellate courts throughout the United States on a variety of labor and employment issues for employers.
Trained all levels of management for a variety of employers in union avoidance .... "
Like I said. The APWA is a fake union. It's a corporate run entity designed to soften up, deceive and weaken UPS workers and their union, the Teamsters Union.
http://www.williamsmullen.com/practice_are...+Employment.htm
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Posted February 07 2006 - 02:21 PM
Thanks Ed. This is great information. There's nothing like an open forum to get clarification. I just learned about this organization last week. Lets see if there are any supporters out there that will respond to your comments.
At least we know that the Teamsters Union is corrupt. We don't yet know who or what the APWA is. One job, one salary and one pension sounds better to me although I think pensions are a poor investment for people that can think.
In all fairness it should be noted that here on the West Coast there really isn't much difference between Union and Corporate corruption. They work hand in hand. Do you suppose the APWA would be more of the same?
Kim Muniz, a Labor Relations Manager for U.P.S., is the daughter of Jimmy Muniz, the former President of Teamsters Local 70. The membership paid for her education. One of her specialites is terminating older Brothers and Sisters just prior to their retirement. It sends a real strong message to the membership. Do you think her father is proud of her? Our Business Agent, Marty Frates, has invited her to Union meetings and elections. After all, she's family. They work hand in hand in dealing with political opposition and maintaining the status quo.
That's old news. Perhaps she has gone back in the closet and few are paying attention.
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At least we know that the Teamsters Union is corrupt. We don't yet know who or what the APWA is. One job, one salary and one pension sounds better to me although I think pensions are a poor investment for people that can think.
In all fairness it should be noted that here on the West Coast there really isn't much difference between Union and Corporate corruption. They work hand in hand. Do you suppose the APWA would be more of the same?
Kim Muniz, a Labor Relations Manager for U.P.S., is the daughter of Jimmy Muniz, the former President of Teamsters Local 70. The membership paid for her education. One of her specialites is terminating older Brothers and Sisters just prior to their retirement. It sends a real strong message to the membership. Do you think her father is proud of her? Our Business Agent, Marty Frates, has invited her to Union meetings and elections. After all, she's family. They work hand in hand in dealing with political opposition and maintaining the status quo.
That's old news. Perhaps she has gone back in the closet and few are paying attention.
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Posted February 07 2006 - 04:31 PM
Check on Eason and Skillman. Both non union scabs living off their brothers in local 391. Now they want to be labor leaders. Ask them about a strike fund and they'll tell you that there won't be any strikes, because UPS likes them. LOL Ask them where they can get a guaranteed 12 3/4% return on their investments every year for the next 30 years, so our funds can invest there. Before you join them, I've got some prime beach property in the Gobi Desert I want you to look at. Believe me, it would be a better way to invest your cash. 
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Posted February 07 2006 - 04:53 PM
tdusucks, hoffa sr. pulled that scam long before you. Can't you get a little more original?
http://www.benbest.c...mers.html#hoffa
In 1954 Hoffa's Detroit Local 299, in conjunction with another Teamsters Detroit Local, provided loans to initiate Sun Valley, Inc. Lots of land costing $18.75 each were purchased in Florida and resold for prices ranging from $150 to $550. Movies of land supposedly in Sun Valley were shown at Teamster meetings to members who were told they could buy lots at "cut-rate prices" as a retirement investment. In fact, much of the land was not accessible by road, and some of the lots were underwater. When the project required additional financing, Hoffa placed $500,000 of Teamsters funds in an interest-free account with the Florida National Bank to induce the bank to loan $500,000 to Sun Valley, Inc. About two thousand lots were eventually sold, mostly to Teamster rank-and-file. A few naive union officers, including Johnny Dio, also got burned by making purchases. Placed on the witness stand, Hoffa was asked why he had authorized the large interest-free loan of Teamsters funds to the Florida bank. His reply: "Because I wanted to".
Real jokester, wasn't he?
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http://www.benbest.c...mers.html#hoffa
In 1954 Hoffa's Detroit Local 299, in conjunction with another Teamsters Detroit Local, provided loans to initiate Sun Valley, Inc. Lots of land costing $18.75 each were purchased in Florida and resold for prices ranging from $150 to $550. Movies of land supposedly in Sun Valley were shown at Teamster meetings to members who were told they could buy lots at "cut-rate prices" as a retirement investment. In fact, much of the land was not accessible by road, and some of the lots were underwater. When the project required additional financing, Hoffa placed $500,000 of Teamsters funds in an interest-free account with the Florida National Bank to induce the bank to loan $500,000 to Sun Valley, Inc. About two thousand lots were eventually sold, mostly to Teamster rank-and-file. A few naive union officers, including Johnny Dio, also got burned by making purchases. Placed on the witness stand, Hoffa was asked why he had authorized the large interest-free loan of Teamsters funds to the Florida bank. His reply: "Because I wanted to".
Real jokester, wasn't he?
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Posted February 07 2006 - 06:37 PM
You guys are a little late. We have been talking about it. There is a dedicated forum for those who would like the discussions concerning the not yet formed AWPA.
http://www.teamster.net/modules.php?name=F...=viewforum&f=26
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p.s. This post will be moved over to that forum in a day or two.
http://www.teamster.net/modules.php?name=F...=viewforum&f=26
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p.s. This post will be moved over to that forum in a day or two.
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Posted February 08 2006 - 01:02 PM
Well Ed, thank you for summing it up so very well.
The most feared member of any society is the "Independant, Freethinking, Individual".
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Posted February 08 2006 - 02:38 PM
Phil writes: "p.s. This post will be moved over to that forum (APW) in a day or two."
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Phil,
With all due respect I have a suggestion. Wouldn't it serve the members better if we left this string on the U.P.S. Forum? The readers of this forum will then learn of the APW forum. Moving the APW string from the U.P.S. forum would it make it more unlikely that some readers will learn about this organization (movement).
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Phil,
With all due respect I have a suggestion. Wouldn't it serve the members better if we left this string on the U.P.S. Forum? The readers of this forum will then learn of the APW forum. Moving the APW string from the U.P.S. forum would it make it more unlikely that some readers will learn about this organization (movement).
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Posted February 08 2006 - 02:38 PM
Phil writes: "p.s. This post will be moved over to that forum (APW) in a day or two."
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Phil,
With all due respect I have a suggestion. Wouldn't it serve the members better if we left this string on the U.P.S. Forum? The readers of this forum will then learn of the APW forum. Moving the APW string from the U.P.S. forum would it make it more unlikely that some readers will learn about this organization (movement).
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Phil,
With all due respect I have a suggestion. Wouldn't it serve the members better if we left this string on the U.P.S. Forum? The readers of this forum will then learn of the APW forum. Moving the APW string from the U.P.S. forum would it make it more unlikely that some readers will learn about this organization (movement).
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Posted February 08 2006 - 02:38 PM
Phil writes: "p.s. This post will be moved over to that forum (APW) in a day or two."
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Phil,
With all due respect I have a suggestion. Wouldn't it serve the members better if we left this string on the U.P.S. Forum? The readers of this forum will then learn of the APW forum. Moving the APW string from the U.P.S. forum would it make it more unlikely that some readers will learn about this organization (movement).
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Phil,
With all due respect I have a suggestion. Wouldn't it serve the members better if we left this string on the U.P.S. Forum? The readers of this forum will then learn of the APW forum. Moving the APW string from the U.P.S. forum would it make it more unlikely that some readers will learn about this organization (movement).
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Posted February 08 2006 - 02:39 PM
Phil writes: "p.s. This post will be moved over to that forum (APW) in a day or two."
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Phil,
With all due respect I have a suggestion. Wouldn't it serve the members better if we left this string on the U.P.S. Forum? The readers of this forum will then learn of the APW forum. Moving the APW string from the U.P.S. forum would it make it more unlikely that some readers will learn about this organization (movement).
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Phil,
With all due respect I have a suggestion. Wouldn't it serve the members better if we left this string on the U.P.S. Forum? The readers of this forum will then learn of the APW forum. Moving the APW string from the U.P.S. forum would it make it more unlikely that some readers will learn about this organization (movement).
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Posted February 08 2006 - 03:04 PM
Say it again, I didn't hear ya the first time! 
doin the 2 stick boogie!
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Posted February 08 2006 - 05:51 PM
saddletramp said:
Say it again, I didn't hear ya the first time!
But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you. Matt 6; 33
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Posted February 08 2006 - 06:47 PM
I agree, moving this issue to the main forum kind of misses the mark.....if its for UPS drivers I think it should stay in the UPS forum. Just a thought, unless moving it there would keep UPS drivers from reading it or learning abou it. I for one want to at least check it out and see what its all about.
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Support/interest has seen strong growth of late. Louisville had 45+ in attendance* two weeks ago and 40+ in Tennessee this past weekend. If you havent been to a meeting, all youre giving up is two hours on a saturday. Small price to pay.....in my opinion. 
And Mr Webmaster, kind sir......the whole thing of moving APWA discussion from the UPS forum is a form of censorship. Discussion about a union formed by UPS employes for UPS employees belongs in the UPS forum.
www.parcelworkers.com
*corrected on 2/28
And Mr Webmaster, kind sir......the whole thing of moving APWA discussion from the UPS forum is a form of censorship. Discussion about a union formed by UPS employes for UPS employees belongs in the UPS forum.
www.parcelworkers.com
*corrected on 2/28
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Posted February 24 2006 - 09:18 PM
Since you addressed me in the post I will give you a response here instead of a PM.
As the Admin of this website I have a responsibility to try and prevent Internet scams from being spread by use of this site. Please feel free to correct me but here are FACTS I know about the so-called AWPA:
1. They are not a union.
2. There is no paperwork filed with the United States Department of Labor regarding theso-called AWPA and no such body exists.
3. The AWPA has not held any election for anything.
4. The AWPA has not disclosed any information about its finances or where and how much money it gets or spends.
5. The AWPA intentionally is deceptive and hides the information reletive to registrar of the website.
6. The AWPA has no physical address.
7. The AWPA asks for money.
8. No aspect of the AWPA can be confirmed as legitimate.
9. People have purposefully tried to create multiple identities to deceive the audience of this website.
10. Not one person claiming to be with AWPA will not answer the simple question of whether they have ever represented any union member for anything, even as shop steward.
To this point I think I have been more than fair considering the facts regarding the AWPA.
The only name put to this fraud is Francis T. Coleman. Here is what Mr. Francis T. Colemans firm has to do with regards to Labor and Employment:
Come on please tell me I am wrong. Nospin, please tell me that this lawyer is not affiliated with anyone claiming to be pro-employee?
At this point I am not inclined to do anything.
Until the so-called AWPA is registered with the DOL and has a physical address and has a fairly elected leadership of some kind and does not solicit money I will not change my position. The AWPA dialog needs to be in one place so that before anyone gets suckered out of any money by information on THIS website they have all the discussions at hand first.
One thing I would like to suggest to these folks would be to put a open forum up on their website if they are not satisfied with their treatment here. I already know the answer but if this AWPA has nothing to hide, why do they keep hiding?
-Phil
As the Admin of this website I have a responsibility to try and prevent Internet scams from being spread by use of this site. Please feel free to correct me but here are FACTS I know about the so-called AWPA:
1. They are not a union.
2. There is no paperwork filed with the United States Department of Labor regarding theso-called AWPA and no such body exists.
3. The AWPA has not held any election for anything.
4. The AWPA has not disclosed any information about its finances or where and how much money it gets or spends.
5. The AWPA intentionally is deceptive and hides the information reletive to registrar of the website.
6. The AWPA has no physical address.
7. The AWPA asks for money.
8. No aspect of the AWPA can be confirmed as legitimate.
9. People have purposefully tried to create multiple identities to deceive the audience of this website.
10. Not one person claiming to be with AWPA will not answer the simple question of whether they have ever represented any union member for anything, even as shop steward.
To this point I think I have been more than fair considering the facts regarding the AWPA.
The only name put to this fraud is Francis T. Coleman. Here is what Mr. Francis T. Colemans firm has to do with regards to Labor and Employment:
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The Labor & Employment Section of Williams Mullen provides ongoing labor and employment advice and counsel to a variety of businesses in the United States and throughout the world. The Section's attorneys represent clients in a number of sophisticated labor management relations issues, complex employment lawsuits, and intricate human resources problems.
Services
Advise and counsel on a variety of complicated human resources issues
Defense of employment-related lawsuits in all courts
Drafting Affirmative Action Plans and conducting OFCCP audits
Enforcing non-compete and other employment agreements
Experienced in Alternative Dispute Resolution
Proactive labor management representation
Sample Representations
* Protected client interests in connection with injunctions in labor disputes, including recognitional strikes, unfair labor practice strikes, and economic work stoppage.
* Defeated union organizing attempts for clients in major manufacturing sectors, such as steel, paper, health care, printing, construction and mining.
* Represented clients in decertification of unions.
* Negotiated several long-term labor agreements, including work rule and health insurance concessions for Fortune 500 companies.
* Defended matters before the National Labor Relations Board and handled appeals of NLRB orders before various U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
* Represented employers in grievance and arbitration matters arising under collective bargaining agreements.
* Representation in various state and federal courts for companies accused of discrimination, wrongful discharge, wage and hour violations, ERISA violations, defamation, and unfair labor practices and in numerous appeals before state and federal appellate courts throughout the United States on a variety of labor and employment issues for employers.
* Representation of employers enforcing noncompete agreements, employment contracts, confidentiality agreements and protection of trade secrets.
* Represented companies before the EEOC, the DOL, the OFCCP, and various state anti-discrimination agencies.
* Conducted labor and employment due diligence for clients contemplating acquisitions and divestitures to ensure compliance with state and federal employment laws.
* Prepared affirmative action plans and assisted with OFCCP audits.
* Trained all levels of management for a variety of employers in union avoidance, conducting workplace investigations, preventing unlawful harassment and discrimination, implementing successful progressive discipline techniques, using lawful techniques to hire, retain and terminate and defending against employment lawsuits.
* Provided on-going counseling to companies in all areas of human resource management, including, but not limited to, employment agreements, covenants not to compete, substance abuse policies, OSHA, personnel practices, severance and release agreements, plant closings, relocations, and layoffs.
Attorneys
D. Earl Baggett IV
Beth Hirsch Berman
Steven D. Brown
David C. Burton
M. Eve G. Campbell
Francis T. (Tom) Coleman
Services
Advise and counsel on a variety of complicated human resources issues
Defense of employment-related lawsuits in all courts
Drafting Affirmative Action Plans and conducting OFCCP audits
Enforcing non-compete and other employment agreements
Experienced in Alternative Dispute Resolution
Proactive labor management representation
Sample Representations
* Protected client interests in connection with injunctions in labor disputes, including recognitional strikes, unfair labor practice strikes, and economic work stoppage.
* Defeated union organizing attempts for clients in major manufacturing sectors, such as steel, paper, health care, printing, construction and mining.
* Represented clients in decertification of unions.
* Negotiated several long-term labor agreements, including work rule and health insurance concessions for Fortune 500 companies.
* Defended matters before the National Labor Relations Board and handled appeals of NLRB orders before various U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
* Represented employers in grievance and arbitration matters arising under collective bargaining agreements.
* Representation in various state and federal courts for companies accused of discrimination, wrongful discharge, wage and hour violations, ERISA violations, defamation, and unfair labor practices and in numerous appeals before state and federal appellate courts throughout the United States on a variety of labor and employment issues for employers.
* Representation of employers enforcing noncompete agreements, employment contracts, confidentiality agreements and protection of trade secrets.
* Represented companies before the EEOC, the DOL, the OFCCP, and various state anti-discrimination agencies.
* Conducted labor and employment due diligence for clients contemplating acquisitions and divestitures to ensure compliance with state and federal employment laws.
* Prepared affirmative action plans and assisted with OFCCP audits.
* Trained all levels of management for a variety of employers in union avoidance, conducting workplace investigations, preventing unlawful harassment and discrimination, implementing successful progressive discipline techniques, using lawful techniques to hire, retain and terminate and defending against employment lawsuits.
* Provided on-going counseling to companies in all areas of human resource management, including, but not limited to, employment agreements, covenants not to compete, substance abuse policies, OSHA, personnel practices, severance and release agreements, plant closings, relocations, and layoffs.
Attorneys
D. Earl Baggett IV
Beth Hirsch Berman
Steven D. Brown
David C. Burton
M. Eve G. Campbell
Francis T. (Tom) Coleman
Come on please tell me I am wrong. Nospin, please tell me that this lawyer is not affiliated with anyone claiming to be pro-employee?
At this point I am not inclined to do anything.
Until the so-called AWPA is registered with the DOL and has a physical address and has a fairly elected leadership of some kind and does not solicit money I will not change my position. The AWPA dialog needs to be in one place so that before anyone gets suckered out of any money by information on THIS website they have all the discussions at hand first.
One thing I would like to suggest to these folks would be to put a open forum up on their website if they are not satisfied with their treatment here. I already know the answer but if this AWPA has nothing to hide, why do they keep hiding?
-Phil
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Mr Moderator,
Thankyou for your forward response. Your concerns are noted and you should be applauded for attempting to maintain the integrity of Teamster.net as the International Brotherhood of Teamsters has always been a bastion and champion for integrity. Please allow me to address your concerns.
1. They are not a union.
APWA IS NOT A UNION. This is an association of UPS employees who are displeased with the representation and pension management provided by its current collective bargaining agent. APWA will not be a union until a vote to decertify and replace has occurred among UPS hourly employees.
2. There is no paperwork filed with the United States Department of Labor regarding the so-called APWA and no such body exists.
There will be no paperwork filed with the USDL until a vote to decertify and replace the current agent has been initiated. But stay posted, as before this year is out there will be paperwork filed with the NLRB.
3. The APWA has not held any election for anything.
Please see above
4. The APWA has not disclosed any information about its finances or where and how much money it gets or spends.
Since when is this a requirement to validate a representative entity? Teamster members had to sue IBT to see its finances.
5. The APWA intentionally is deceptive and hides the information reletive to registrar of the website.
APWA leadership is comprised of Van Skillman, a feeder driver of 25yrs in Greensboro, NC; Danny Eason, a feeder driver of 32yrs in Raleigh, NC. They can be contacted through their website.
6. The APWA has no physical address.
APWA
P. O. Box 58427
Raleigh, NC 27658
The need for administrative offices/meeting halls will follow decertification vote.
7. The APWA asks for money.
APWA accepts donations and financial support from individuals who are displeased with Teamster representation and wish to replace their bargaining agent. Teamsters does the same thing,,except these monies are called union dues. And as Ive talked to some of the guys….they aint too happy about paying these dues to the Teamsters anymore.
8. No aspect of the APWA can be confirmed as legitimate.
Please visit Delaware's corporation status website(http://www.state.de....inestatus.shtml) file number 3893754 to verify the corporation status. IRS granted tax exempt status to APWA in the last quarter of 2005. If you so wish, im sure the IRS would provide you with information they have available.
9. People have purposefully tried to create multiple identities to deceive the audience of this website.
Anonymity is not deception. Web based forums thrive on anonymity and the free flow of ideas without fear of endangerment by opposing parties. Seeing that Teamsters is synonymous with felony and mob related activities, I could see where the need for anonymity would be heightened. And as I reviewed some of the older posts, I noticed that members defaming APWA might have used multiple identities. (http://www.teamster.net/modules.php?name=F...ewtopic&t=20632) That door swings both ways, Mr Moderator.
10. Not one person claiming to be with APWA will not answer the simple question of whether they have ever represented any union member for anything, even as shop steward.
Have you emailed this question to APWA? Have you made the effort to contact them and ask these questions? They do not read minds, but they do read email. I am not an APWA officer, nor have I ever been a union representative/shop steward. How does this disqualify me from serving a group of my co-workers should I so desire? From what I hear, this was not an issue with the large group of drivers in attendance several weeks ago in Lousiville and Tennessee. Any leadership with integrity, and a vision for the future is an improvement on what is currently in place.
11. ”Until the so-called APWA is registered with the DOL and has a physical address and has a fairly elected leadership of some kind and does not solicit money I will not change my position.”
In requiring these expectations, which you know will only be realized after Teamsters has been decertified, you establish a weak validation for your censorship. But I guess there are some perks to being a web board moderator.
12. ”One thing I would like to suggest to these folks would be to put a open forum up on their website if they are not satisfied with their treatment here.”
That’s not a bad idea. But even if it does happen, this would not remove discussion from your webboard. Any forum where UPS employees meet to converse will encounter these topics. Im afraid this discussion is in no means isolated to teamster.net.
Thankyou and have a lovely day.
Nospin
Thankyou for your forward response. Your concerns are noted and you should be applauded for attempting to maintain the integrity of Teamster.net as the International Brotherhood of Teamsters has always been a bastion and champion for integrity. Please allow me to address your concerns.
1. They are not a union.
APWA IS NOT A UNION. This is an association of UPS employees who are displeased with the representation and pension management provided by its current collective bargaining agent. APWA will not be a union until a vote to decertify and replace has occurred among UPS hourly employees.
2. There is no paperwork filed with the United States Department of Labor regarding the so-called APWA and no such body exists.
There will be no paperwork filed with the USDL until a vote to decertify and replace the current agent has been initiated. But stay posted, as before this year is out there will be paperwork filed with the NLRB.
3. The APWA has not held any election for anything.
Please see above
4. The APWA has not disclosed any information about its finances or where and how much money it gets or spends.
Since when is this a requirement to validate a representative entity? Teamster members had to sue IBT to see its finances.
5. The APWA intentionally is deceptive and hides the information reletive to registrar of the website.
APWA leadership is comprised of Van Skillman, a feeder driver of 25yrs in Greensboro, NC; Danny Eason, a feeder driver of 32yrs in Raleigh, NC. They can be contacted through their website.
6. The APWA has no physical address.
APWA
P. O. Box 58427
Raleigh, NC 27658
The need for administrative offices/meeting halls will follow decertification vote.
7. The APWA asks for money.
APWA accepts donations and financial support from individuals who are displeased with Teamster representation and wish to replace their bargaining agent. Teamsters does the same thing,,except these monies are called union dues. And as Ive talked to some of the guys….they aint too happy about paying these dues to the Teamsters anymore.
8. No aspect of the APWA can be confirmed as legitimate.
Please visit Delaware's corporation status website(http://www.state.de....inestatus.shtml) file number 3893754 to verify the corporation status. IRS granted tax exempt status to APWA in the last quarter of 2005. If you so wish, im sure the IRS would provide you with information they have available.
9. People have purposefully tried to create multiple identities to deceive the audience of this website.
Anonymity is not deception. Web based forums thrive on anonymity and the free flow of ideas without fear of endangerment by opposing parties. Seeing that Teamsters is synonymous with felony and mob related activities, I could see where the need for anonymity would be heightened. And as I reviewed some of the older posts, I noticed that members defaming APWA might have used multiple identities. (http://www.teamster.net/modules.php?name=F...ewtopic&t=20632) That door swings both ways, Mr Moderator.
10. Not one person claiming to be with APWA will not answer the simple question of whether they have ever represented any union member for anything, even as shop steward.
Have you emailed this question to APWA? Have you made the effort to contact them and ask these questions? They do not read minds, but they do read email. I am not an APWA officer, nor have I ever been a union representative/shop steward. How does this disqualify me from serving a group of my co-workers should I so desire? From what I hear, this was not an issue with the large group of drivers in attendance several weeks ago in Lousiville and Tennessee. Any leadership with integrity, and a vision for the future is an improvement on what is currently in place.
11. ”Until the so-called APWA is registered with the DOL and has a physical address and has a fairly elected leadership of some kind and does not solicit money I will not change my position.”
In requiring these expectations, which you know will only be realized after Teamsters has been decertified, you establish a weak validation for your censorship. But I guess there are some perks to being a web board moderator.
12. ”One thing I would like to suggest to these folks would be to put a open forum up on their website if they are not satisfied with their treatment here.”
That’s not a bad idea. But even if it does happen, this would not remove discussion from your webboard. Any forum where UPS employees meet to converse will encounter these topics. Im afraid this discussion is in no means isolated to teamster.net.
Thankyou and have a lovely day.
Nospin
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Posted February 28 2006 - 11:01 AM
6.The APWA has no physical address.
How about:
Westley Van Skillman
493 Stutts Rd.
Mooresville, NC. 28117
(704) 664-7276
I'm sure he would like to hear from everybody....
And have donations to his pension fund....or APWA.... sent directly to him.
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How about:
Westley Van Skillman
493 Stutts Rd.
Mooresville, NC. 28117
(704) 664-7276
I'm sure he would like to hear from everybody....
And have donations to his pension fund....or APWA.... sent directly to him.
-Bug-
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Posted February 28 2006 - 11:25 AM
There wasn't 80 in attendance from Louisville. It was about 30 and they were TDU PUKES like Darrell Hall, Chris Koerner, Tim Strong, Brian Simpson, and Tony Linton who is not even in Central States. When you tell a story, Get It Right.
