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[BigUnionGuy]

Readers,

Just doing a quick search, the self-appointed Leaders of the APWA are trying to Hide who they really are.


Their domain name; itsmymap.com, is very well concealed.


Using "Go Daddy Software, inc." it links you to:


Domains by Proxy, inc.

Created on: 30-sept-04
Expires on: 30-sept-05


"Please note: the registrant of the domain name is specified in the "registrant" field. In most cases, Go Daddy Software inc. is not the registrant of domain names listed in this database."


Interesting. And a P.O. box number where to send money.


TOTAL SCAM.



-Bug-

[sawman]

BUG,
Keep up the good work. Getting kind of desperate aren't you.

Every time you open your mouth with this unfounded nonsense, it shows how affraid you are.

[SWdriver]

-sawman- How is BigUnionGuy desperate? And afraid of what? There is not a chance in hell that the APWA, or whatever it is is, will succeed. 7,000 a month pension???? Yeah, UPS will support providing a pension such as this! Let me drop a check in the mail to get the APWA rolling!!! UPS labor management would rip this quasi-union a new one when it came down to it. It takes experience to deal with negotiations!!

[LIDRiver]

BUG, do you know why APWA is registered as a "Religious Non-Profit" entity?? Just asking!

[BigUnionGuy]

SWdriver,

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

If you notice, all sawman talks about is the pension.

He and his cohorts, make no claim as to their ability, experience, or involvement, with the Teamsters or even their Local.

As you pointed out, do you think they could negotiate a collective bargaining agreement with UPS ??? Not a chance.

Curiously, they don't even address that.

But, they have assembled a "team" of experts. They certainly have.



LIDRiver,

Maybe sawman could answer that one. Kind of speaks volumes, doesn't it ???

Evidenced by the fact, they only registered their domain name for one (1) year, really shows a long term commitment.


-Bug-

[sawman]

Lets see, registering as a Religious non-profit organization is just a category that they put, Not for profit organizations into, it has nothing to do with religion.

As far as rigestering for one year, this is because they plan on filing with the NLRB as a Union within a year.

[plot]

Sending 150$ to a PO Box listed on a website that hides the registrants information is always a good idea

let me start a few sites like that sawman, i'll make some obsurd promises about how i have 10million dollars i need to get out of south africa for some reason or other....

[LIDRiver]

But why register as a Religious entity when you are not. I'm not a scholar (only a retired truck driver), but it seems decieving to me to register that way. I can't see how a labor union and religion are related. Is this the only way APWA could be registered. Were there no other catagories that APWA could be registered??

[sawman]

That is just how they group NOT FOR PROFIT ENTITIES>

As far as the P.O. Box, that is because the APWA is new and do not "YET" have the funding to open a office, Nor is it cost effective, because the APWA has no full time employees at this time. The officers and members of the APWA are UPS Employees, and they conduct meetings, and handle the APWA business on there time, when they're not at work.
This will change once they are a registered union, they will have to start hiring full-time staff, open union halls, etc.

[plot]

sawman said:

That is just how they group NOT FOR PROFIT ENTITIES>

As far as the P.O. Box, that is because the APWA is new and do not "YET" have the funding to open a office, Nor is it cost effective, because the APWA has no full time employees at this time. The officers and members of the APWA are UPS Employees, and they conduct meetings, and handle the APWA business on there time, when they're not at work.
This will change once they are a registered union, they will have to start hiring full-time staff, open union halls, etc.

oooh... so we'll still have high union dues to pay for all these people in on the ground floor of this union to have cushy salaries sitting in some union hall doing nothing at all with UPS anymore?

man, this is looking better and better all the time

you sure these people arent just looking to switch careers and leading a union sounds better to them then humping boxes?

[Farley]

APWA is just a UPS corporate wet dream, the employees couldn't be so ignorant that they would fall for this, would they?

[BigUnionGuy]

Farley,

Who is backing them ?? This is yet to be seen.

But, whats your guess ???


Van Skillman- Help Us, monetarily.

Danny Eason- "then if you are still leery, we will have one of our experts explain it to you. Again, asking for your "financial support", to help achieve OUR mission.


These are two (2) feeder drivers that are a Disgrace to Local Union No. 391, and the Teamsters in general.


What I find even more interesting, that sawman, continue's to refer to the APWA as "THEY".


Maybe, just maybe, sawman is their mouthpiece here on T-net.


I think its time to put them on "front street". Call them out.......




-Bug-

[mud]

[quote="BigUnionGuy"]Readers,

Just doing a quick search, the self-appointed Leaders of the APWA are trying to Hide who they really are.


Their domain name; itsmymap.com, is very well concealed.

THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES, WHY DON'T YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF. THERE'S NO INFORMATION POSTED IN YOUR PROFILE? WHO'S BACKING YOU?

[mud]

Farley states APWA is just a UPS corporate wet dream, the employees couldn't be so ignorant that they would fall for this...

WHY NOT, WE FELL FOR THE TEAMSTER'S EMPTY PROMISES.
I SEE YOU'RE RETIRED. WELL AFTER 35 YEARS WITH UPS, I'M NOT. AT THE RATE WE'RE GOING NOW, ANY REPRESENTATION AT ALL WOULD BE BETTER THAN WHAT I'VE HAD IN THE PAST 18 YEARS.

UPS CONTRIBUTES MORE THAN ENOUGH FOR IT'S EMPLOYEES. THE TEAMSTERS HAVE FAILED TO PROVIDE WHAT THEY PROMISED. FORGET POLITICS, THE STOCK MARKET, AND 911. IT'S NOBODY'S FAULT BUT THOSE MANAGING THE EMPLOYEES BENEFIT PROGRAMS.

OUR TEAMSTER PENSION IS NO MORE THAN ANOTHER BIG SOCIAL SECURITY SCAM. CIPRIANI ONCE STATED TO ME, YOU NEVER EXPECT TO RECEIVE WHAT HAS BEEN PAID IN FOR YOU. WHY NOT? SOUNDS JUST LIKE SOCIAL SECURITY TO ME.

[plot]

nobody dissagree's with the fact that pension plans for UPSers need to be reevaluated, and possibly even taken over by the company.

the thing is, starting a new union won't accomplish anything. a union is for collective bargaining, this is better accomplished with more people in the same union, besides having half in one and half in another... splitting up would weaken the teamsters bargaining power.

not only that, but UPS could easily take advantage of AWPA because they know it's new and has absolutely NO funds to support a strike against big brown. Whereas now, UPS knows that the teamsters could possibly handle a drawn out strike with the monetary support of all teamsters, not just the UPS teamsters.

What would AWPA offer that the teamsters don't? Besides this magic 7000$ payout in pension that nobody can explain except for Enron's accountant? It'll still be a money consuming union based exactly on the same structure as the teamsters with BA's, union halls, officers, full time employee's to clean the union hall, do the books, whatever else... AWPA isn't offering ANY new revolutionary ideas in running a union outside some great plan that will double everyones pension! wow... i got a bridge in brooklyn to sell you buddy.

i got a better, more logical, and more reasonable idea... why dont we all just get togethor and elect new officials that will change the way the money fed into the union is handled, including our union dues, pension, and whatever else...

[sawman]

No one said that it would offer Teamster members more!
But it would give UPSERS much more because every penny that goes into the fund would go to UPS employees instead of being split between trucking companies that don't even exist anymore or those that don't contribute enough to be drawing the pensions that they are getting now.

As far as the expense of running a union.
Yes it cost to run one, but it want cost anywhere near as much to run a UPS ONLY union as it cost to run the Teamsters union.
Bottom line the APWA idea is basically to cut the dead wieght so that UPS employees can get what rightfully belongs to them.

As for negotiating with UPS at contract time, it want be a couple of feeder drivers doing the negotiating, it will be a TEAM of labor lawyers speaking directly for UPS hourly employees. The catch is we as UPS employees will employ and control these lawyers not the other way around.

[2ifbyc]

Hey BigUnionGuy,

The P.O. Box is because the rock these guys crawled out from under doesn't have a physical address.

However I did a bit of snooping around myself. The P.O. box is indeed registered to a Danny E Eason (registered republican) of Garner NC I would give out his home address but sending money straight to his house might lead him to corruption.

I find it odd that niether of these Knuckle-heads with 25 plus years "with the company" way anything about there years as "Teamsters", could they be scabs?

And if you don't think your a Knuckle head sawman, then explain how their website says that membership in and dues paid are voluntary, then a couple points down they talk about cutting dues in half after 7 months. Which is it? I hope you get the representation that those voluntary dues pay for.

The website of their Union Busting Attorney boasts about defeating Union Organizing campaigns, and keeping companies Union Free.

These guys are morons, and if they are so upset about the Teamsters, then how bout they give back all the money that UPS has forked over for our free healthcare and pension package, because UPS would give a lot less if it weren't for the Teamsters, along with all the raises they have recieved in their tenure at UPS. Then pack up their shite and go to work for walmart!!

exuse the mispellings

C

[plot]

sawman said:

As for negotiating with UPS at contract time, it want be a couple of feeder drivers doing the negotiating, it will be a TEAM of labor lawyers speaking directly for UPS hourly employees. The catch is we as UPS employees will employ and control these lawyers not the other way around.

the lawyers will have no bargaining power though becuase this new union will have no funds to back up a strike. they gotta take whatever UPS shoves down there throat...

[JustTired]

If you ask me.....
Once this PAS system gets in nationwide, I doubt whether UPS is going to even negotiate a contract, regardless of who the union is.

Hope I'm wrong!!!!!

[BigUnionGuy]

What a tangled web we weave, when we practice to decieve.


mud,

And i will repeat, His name is MUD;

I quote you, " Any representation at all would be better than what I've had in the past 18 years."

Then, you throw out Cipriani's name.

How about if I pick-up the phone and call Jack, or Mike McGaha and maybe dig up a little more dirt on you ???

Be careful of what you ask for. The Truth, might be a little to revealing.



Now, looking at your recent post, and that of "sawman".....

Basically, what you are saying is, forget everybody else.....

Forget Freight, and every other TEAMSTER that has contributed to the Fund. Its all about YOU !!!


Evidenced by the Fact, that the APWA has retained the most;

Anti-Union, Anti-Labor, Attorney in the Country, shows who your

experts really are.



Please help us....We need your financial support.... to help achieve OUR mission.


-Bug-