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[LIDRiver]

So, wht do these "officers" do for a living right now? Just curious!!

[-wishbone-]

Scab: somone who leaves the union and continues to work in a union house. "The officers AND members of the APWA were long time members of the Teamsters union." Note the word "were". Scab is as Scab does sawman. You and your ilk will NEVER represent me or any other UPS worker who has any common sence. Trust me!

Why dont you got to work for Federal Express; I am sure those guys could appreciate your little "union" over there. I'll bet Fred would let you guys and your union busting lawyers right in the door with open arms!

[saddletramp]

Good points Wishbone. They will nevr make any headway with this little scam of theirs. Here in the west the idea of someone trying to dump the Teamsters for some bs "union" run by some scabs is laughable!
Crawl back under your rock boys, we have no need for you or your whiny ass buddies.!

Oh, take your union busting lawyers with you too!!

[seven]

BigUnionGuy said:

sawman,

And this comes someone like you, asking ME for an explanation of the 1% accural rate ?


25 year feeder driver ??


Bud, you have hit too many bumps in the road.



-Bug-

Bug,

I've been in feeders for almost a decade now. The most consistent thing I've discovered about feeder drivers is that (as a group) they are the most contentious group of UPS people around.

con·ten·tious -
Given to contention; quarrelsome. See Synonyms at argumentative. See Synonyms at belligerent.
Involving or likely to cause contention; controversial

Most of them can't be taught anything. Why? Because they know everything.

Whenever you find a group like that (whether it be in a church, union, business, or any organization) you should run like hell when they appear.

A common theme I always run into is the group complaining about a particular issue. They debate this issue over and over. When you ask if someone has ever breached the issue with management through a grievance you'll find that most of them just scoff at the notion. You see, their union has sold out. The funny thing is that the union must have sold out before one of them ever filed a grievance, attended a union meeting, or any other activity. Because when it pertains to this group there is no activity-just idle chatter on the CB radio.

[sawman]

You boys just don't have a clue!

Your pension and health insurance is going down the drain and you're to blind to see it.

[saddletramp]

How many years do you have in organized labor sawman?? Also, what credo's do you have to judge how my pension is doing or is going to be doing in the years to come???

Why should anyone trust what YOU have to say????

Enquiring minds want to know.........................






ps, you ever work any where else besides UPS, where there was a labor agreement?????
Doesnt it surprise you that none of the other crafts are looking into your claims??????

[sawman]

23 years in organized labor!

Our deal is not beeing offered to any other craft, just UPS.

[Teamsterman]

sawman said:

I know I've heard this before, but here it goes:

Wrong again Teamsterman!

To my knowledge, not a single member of  the APWA crossed the line in 97. As a matter of fact, every one that I am aware of walked that picket line including the officers.

Oh, and furthermore, I am a former Teamster shop steward.

I think "former" says it all! So, tell us sawman; are you in the union? Or is this another question you won't answer?

[upsgreedvsthemselves]

23 years for Sawman. Lets see, now with 23 years you were vested but will take a huge hit by not waiting until 25. That's if your in a local that has 25 and out like mine. Now were you fired for something and this is what started your axe grinding crusade?Because I have never met or heard of a member just quitting and walking away with 23 years without a good reason. Like physically unable to perform his job.No matter how bad someone hates UPS they will definitly stick around until they have 25 years in even if they need 30 to retire. So what was it that got you fired? Because if you just quit, then you're much too stupid to be trusted with running a Union. Which also explains why your local left a steward to hang in the wind. Locals always try to protect their stewards, they have to. So tell us the rest of the story it's got to be good.[/i]

[sawman]

There you Teamster boys got again, blindly shooting off at the mouth.

Number one, I am still employeed by UPS as a feeder driver, I was never fired for anything.

I said that I had 23 years with the Teamsters, and around ten of that as a steward, before I woke up and got tired of there lies and mismanagment of our retirements and health care. At which time I withdrew my membership, and now along with many other fed up UPSERS have decided to do something about our retirements since the Teamsters can not handle it.

[saddletramp]

I hope you told the Teamsters to keep the H&W payments that you accrued over those 23 years since you were not going ot need them! The rest of us who know where to keep building our retirement will be glad to use what you do not feel you need anymore sawbuck!
You are a work of art, dumbshit .

How much does everyone bet he will hang onto the 23 years H&W from the Teamsters!

[sawman]

You see, that's the problem, the Teamsters think that's there money. WRONG!

That is my money it was paid in on my behalf, I earned it, and make no mistake about it, before it is over, Myself and many others that are not mindless followers will take this money from the Teamsters and go else where.

I know what you're going to say " It's not going to happen and probable some name calling.

Well, hide and watch!

[saddletramp]

You are like these typical "right to workers" who want the benefits of what they earn under a Teamster labor agreement but they don't want to pay the dues. "Just give me the bennies boys, but I dont wanna have to pay dues for it!"




Bet you are in a right ot work state, aren"t you????????



One step away from a scab.............

A true labor man you are

[sawman]

That's right Saddle,
Right to work state, and if you were in a right to work state there would be a lot more people in your area raising hell about the situation, but you guys have no choice but to stay put until something better comes along. That's the differance we can actively go after something better and we are.

I know you don't see it now, but mark my word, you'll be thanking us one of these days, that is if you're a UPS employee.

We're doing the dirty work for you, because the Teamster rank and file is so intimidated bye the Teamsters Union that you people are afraid to fart without there saying that it is alright.

We're not intimidated and we're going to handle the situation.

[saddletramp]

Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back sawman. You are not doing any dirty work for me. 34 years of Teamster membership has allowed me to watch a bunch of you complainer types come along and beat your drum on how you are going to make these big changes and have all of us follow your lead into the abiss like a bunch of lemmings over the cliff!
Sorry pal, we are not buying into your bs: seen it before, and there will be others long after you and your bunch have gone off into oblivion.

Gotta wonder about something though, you are a right to worker, did you sign a objector document so you wouldnt have to pay the full dues rate, then get pissed when the Local wouldnt represent you when you had a work related issue???

Paying "nothin for somethin" doesnt work too well, does it!

[AN0N]

“doin the 2 stick boogie!”

I’d be interested in knowing exactly how long it has been since you two stick boogied. I suspect it’s been quite a while.

The last people I ever knew that ran an X over X/Y configuration were log truck drivers and that’s been 30+ years ago and none of them were Teamsters.

But then, “two stick” could mean a bunch of things in Teamster lingo…

(yes, it’s a slow day here…)
8O

[saddletramp]

Actually Anon, I have a 48 Kenworth we use on the ranch to haul cattle and hay with; 220 with a 5x4.
Drove 2 sticks in freight for PIE tankers and Wallace Colville Motor Freight up till 1977, then went to work for a ready mix outfit here that ran mostly 4x4's and 5x4's. UPS since 88 but all they could come up with at the time was 5 and 6 speeds till they started buying roadrangers.
Hope that answers your questions.

[sawman]

Saddle,

Since 88? You don't have enough seniority to be telling me anything, rookie

No , jokes aside, I paid dues for 20+ years. What did it get me?
The only time you saw any union officials was when they wanted money or votes. If you went to the union meeting to voice your oppinion on an issue, they would cut your mic off, and I was a shop steward for 10 years.

It did get me a higher retirement age with less money, higher union dues, less insurance, and a greivance paper could be used in the bathroom, because the union pretty much lets UPS do as they please, Oh and don't forget they have taken away your right to vote by letting the delegates cast votes for you. Next you want even get to vote on your own contract, they will have the delegates voting on that for you also.

Your only fooling youself if you thing that the Teamsters Union gives a red piss about you, beyond getting your dues money every month. As long as you pay your dues and keep your mouth shut, your a good Teamster, if you want to voice your oppinion they don't have any use for you.

[101st_Airborne]

I find it particularly insightful that all and I mean ALL of those in opposition to the concept of a UPS only union will not address the REASONS WHY its necessary.

They are on a full bore disparagement campaign and only gloss over the reality behind the movement. Fact is no matter how you slice it, for the UPS workers, staying with the Teamsters is simply not in their best interest.

I challenge anyone to dispute that!

Say what ever you want about the APWA or any other union that might be approached and ask to represent the UPS workers, the Teamsters have NOTHING but bad news now and for the foreseeable future for UPS workers.

The unfunded liability, the legacy cost, the shrinking membership, the “buffalo” of wealthy companies (donor) offsetting the small and bankrupt companies, and the dramatic cuts already in place with more to come make the argument for change, not me or Sawman.

Lets hear it from all those union know it all. The ones with all the experience. The ones that can refute and defend the Teamsters. The smart guys and gals that see this movement as “tilting at the windmills.” The sunny days ahead for UPS workers theme they so ignorantly describe or the lack there of. Tell us where the cash will come from other than benefit cuts for UPS workers and escalating diversions of contributions from UPS.

Tell us you smarter than dirt Teamsters. Tell us all!

[saddletramp]

Till you come out of the fog Airborne there is no use trying to talk with you.
Sawman, you seem to want to reach some sort of dialog so I will try with you. I have heard for years folks who have become frustrated with the representation they recieve from there local. The guys who are on the executive board and the agents get to the point that they have forgotten not only who they are working for but the very reason they were put into office in the first place.
The membership becomes distant from these guys and don't call them on the carpet for not doing their jobs. The sad thing is in most cases, not nesessarliy (?) yours, come election time those issues get forgotten because these very people who have become frustrated have been dining on fresh donuts, coffee, and promises just to get a vote for a re election.
Why not run against these guys and throw them out of office!! It has happened in the local I am in and it worked! There are alot of locals all over the country that have done this process and most have become very productive and prosperous Teamster organizations for their members. Greivances that get filed are acted upon, members see there reps on a regular basis, at least once a week, and the employers hesitate to go out on a limb with their dealings with members because of the representation they have behind them.
What gives me the ability to say this works? In 1994 our local was being run by guys who could care less about the members and made no bones about it. At the time our membership was around 3000 members who work in alot of various crafts; UPS, freight, construction, public sector, tankers, carhaul, food distrubution& warehousing and a mulititude of other crafts. Like a A to Z local. Our freight agent who has had alot of years of Union work started talking with folks who would be interested in running a slate against the present board. He put together a slate that represented all our major crafts with members who actaully work in those crafts. 2 guys from UPS, 1 from construction, 2 from freight, 1 from public sector, and 1 from grocery. This slate won by a 4 to 1 vote and has held office since. The membership ranks have risen by about 500 members and with a new agreement with a government reclamation project they are looking to add about 400 more members.
I was one of the UPS guys who ran on that slate in 94 and am proud to say we have had white ballot elections since. Work for your members and they will put their trust in you. If you dont like what is running your local, vote them out and make a difference!
Our agents come from the crafts they represent. That experience they have is the best for the members interests. Its not 100% perfect, but it works none the less.