126 replies to this topic

[menkenman]

I think most of you have been overly unfair to the APWA. Sure they haven't a clue as to how their "claims" and "promises" should come to fruition, or how to respond to queries regarding their legal legitimacy, but obviously, in their reckless and crass attempts at spamming a Teamster Web Site, they care about UPS Teamsters.

They "care" that you realize the "suggested" donations are in the amount of $150.00, and that they may be easily faciliatated online, through most major credit cards.

[TeamsterNet]

Also, who is Danny Eason and what is his part in this whole scam?

-Phil

http://www.rnla.org/...p?MemberID=2461

[sawman]

Danny Eason is a feeder driver out of Raliegh NC. He is also a co-founder of the APWA, and former long time teamster member.
By the way some have spoken of bylaws and constitutions.
Here are two examples of the teamsters breaking there on constitution.
(1) They raised union due without a vote of the rank and file.
Constitution states that union dues will not be raised without a vote of the rank and file. It does not state that deligates have the right to cast votes for the rank and file.
(2) The teamster constitution states that the wording of the constitution will not be changed without a vote of the rank and file and yet they changed the wording from 2 times your hourly rate, to 2 and a half times you hourly rate, without a vote of the rank and file.
Another example of the rank and file following blindly!

[sawman]

AMEN to that GANDOLF!

[Teamsterman]

Da, let's start our own union and lets hire a union busting firm to help us do it. DOH!

Boy I sure want you guys taking care of my pension.

[krash]

Teamsterman said:

Da, let's start our own union and lets hire a union busting firm to help us do it. DOH!

Boy I sure want you guys taking care of my pension.

Hey, I believe I'll start my on. Your dues will be 1/2 your hourly rate and strictly optional. You can draw a retirement of 5,000 a month after 10 years of svc., 10,000 for 20 and so on. Will call it UKWA.
United Krash Workers of Amarica....what do ya think
Gandalf, you can head up the Canadian division. Of course will call it UKWC.

[sawman]

Well teamsterman, AT least someone is trying to come up with a solution to the mess the teamsters have gotten us into.
But, I would expect that from a true teamster, a lot of lip service, but no answers. That is all the teamsters have given us for years lip service, lies, and broken promises, and taking our money and future, for these services.

[Teamsterman]

sawman said:

Well teamsterman, AT least someone is trying to come up with a solution to the mess the teamsters have gotten us into.
But, I would expect that from a true teamster, a lot of lip service, but no answers. That is all the teamsters have given us for years lip service, lies, and broken promises, and taking our money and future, for these services.

I assume your talking about Central States. First of all, I don't think the teamsters had anything to do with that mess. Try blaming that on the trustees. They made the bad investments, not the teamsters.

If you're looking for a solution to the mess, I've got one word for you "organizing". Try shifting your energy in that direction. Although I wouldn't be against some form of partitioning regarding the multi-employer plans. Makes more sense than starting all over.

And yes, I'm a true blue brown teamster. No lip service here, you the one with no answers.

And I'm sure that's "all" the teamsters have given you for years. I guess you forgot about the 25+ dollars an hour (not to mention the 38+ dollars an hour overtime). And I guess the health benefits (which most people would die for) just slipped your mind. And I guess job protection, weekends, vacations, seniority rights, safe working conditions, etc, etc also just slipped your mind.

Nope, them nasty ol teamsters don't do a damn thing for you huh.

[alex_y]

Hey Sawman, are your folks going to match Krash's proposal or top it? Why not, its all the same kind of play money.

alex y.

[krash]

alex_y said:

Hey Sawman, are your folks going to match Krash's proposal or top it? Why not, its all the same kind of play money.

alex y.

Thanks for the plug alex. Its a grass roots movement and so far we only have 1 memeber(me). But I'm optimistic that others will follow my empty promises and insanity in droves. I figure before the the years end we will of increased our pesence here on T-Net and started not just one, but two whole threads dedicated to the nonsence. Yes, I realize its a heck of an expectation. But hey, if others can create two about the same topic, why not I. And if you wanna join UKWA, go to www.whaddacrock.com

[Over9five]

"www.whaddacrock.com"

Can't believe I actually tried it.......!

[sawman]

Teamster, krash.Alex, You people are in for a rude awakening in the near future, I just hope that your still around when the NLRB comes into your center for a vote, and it is probable going to be a lot sooner then you think.
We want rest until our Pension is back on solid ground! With or without you three or the teamsters, it will happen.

[UPSSup]

"I assume your talking about Central States."

teamsterman you need to do your homework . Of the 21 multiemployer plans ups pays into 11 are less than 75 percent funded. That means quite a few are in crisis mode.

[Teamsterman]

UPSSup said:

"I assume your talking about Central States."

teamsterman you need to do your homework . Of the 21 multiemployer plans ups pays into 11 are less than 75 percent funded. That means quite a few are in crisis mode.

The guys starting this union are from SC, which would put them in Central States (I believe). And I do my homework and I have no argument about what you state. Central States is the largest and in the most trouble. And the one I'm in also.

So, how do we fix the problems? Starting a new union isn't the answer. I think partitioning is a good idea. Combining all the funds is another. Doing something to prevent the trustees from making bad investments. Step up organizing efforts. All these things would be a good start.

To be quit frank, I would rather UPS control the pension and welfare funds than let these scam artists have it. And that's probably the way it's going to go, unless they do something drastically different with the multi-employer funds.

But, I think we all agree that something needs to be done. And hopefully we'll all make the right decisions.

[sawman]

Teamsterman,

The people that founded the APWA are from Greensboro, NC and Raleigh NC.

Have you ever talk to the teamsters and CS about partitioning the fund?
Many of us have!
Before the APWA was started.
They would rather have the fund go under than partition or combine the fund.
There is no talking or reasoning with them on this matter, we tried for a couple of years.
They don't want to hear it!
We had to file lawsuit against them, just so they would release the finacial information of the fund, and they are still fighting against that in court.

[sawman]

OH, bye the way, the teamsters have members on the board of CS.
They are on CS side, and have publicly said they support CS in these matters.

[alex_y]

Yeah right, I talk to god every day too. You mind identifying the Teamsters that you talked to and what their positions are and who did you talk to on CS. CS what?

alex y.

[TeamsterNet]

So lets see, some union busting lawyers, and a couple of malcontents get together and promise everyone a pot of gold, perfect harmony and world peace and we are all supposed to march right off the cliff with you?

I would seem to me that if anyone has questions about the AWPA they could contact Mr. Francis T. Coleman at
tcoleman@williamsmullen.com or Phone: 202-293-8120.

Does the AWPA have a phone number? An office? A single business card?

"Feeders" step up and answer some questions?!

-Phil

[UPSSup]

feeder or sawman what did you base your 7000 a month on? Was it some of the top performing union pension systems like West NY's?

[Feeders]

UPSsup,

Just look at these calculations of what UPS pays today, compounded annually at only 7% for 30 years. Mind blowing isn't it?

Your Monthly Deposit for 30 Years of $ 760.00
for an Interest Rate of 7.000 % compounded Annually
With an Initial Amount of $ 8600.00:
Yr Mo Ending
Balance Average
Balance
1 12 18614.60 12780.00
2 12 29330.22 22794.60
3 12 40795.94 33510.22
4 12 53064.25 44975.94
5 12 66191.35 57244.25
6 12 80237.35 70371.35
7 12 95266.56 84417.35
8 12 111347.82 99446.56
9 12 128554.77 115527.82
10 12 146966.20 132734.77
11 12 166666.43 151146.20
12 12 187745.68 170846.43
13 12 210300.48 191925.68
14 12 234434.12 214480.48
15 12 260257.10 238614.12
16 12 287887.70 264437.10
17 12 317452.44 292067.70
18 12 349086.71 321632.44
19 12 382935.38 353266.71
20 12 419153.46 387115.38
21 12 457906.80 423333.46
22 12 499372.88 462086.80
23 12 543741.58 503552.88
24 12 591216.09 547921.58
25 12 642013.81 595396.09
26 12 696367.38 646193.81
27 12 754525.70 700547.38
28 12 816755.10 758705.70
29 12 883340.55 820935.10
30 12 954586.99 887520.55

Final Savings Balance: $ 954586.99
Initial Investment plus Monthly Contributions: $ 282200.00
Total Interest Earned: $ 672386.99

That equals $954,586.00
Even a safe Tbill @ 4% would give you $38,183 a year in interest. Then you decide how much of the principle you eat in a year. Could you live long enough to spend it all at $7,000 a month?