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[Wedgie]

BigUnionGuy, Members retiring at age 50 with 30 years caused the problem? Well please excuse the fuck out of me asshole. For thirty fucking years of blood sweat and tears no one ever said that we had a fucking problem. 30 and out is thirty and out. If there is a minimum age then that is not 30 and out and I don't give a good God Damn what kind of fucking bullshit rhetoric you try to use to claim differantly. Central States members have been strung along with a 30 and out at any age carrot on a stick untill the members began reaching the years of service required to cash in. If the sons of bitches at Central States couldn't keep their promises they should have never made them to begin with. I hate Central States and every single Teamster slime ball mother fucker who tries to defend the sorry assed peices of shit that run it. I hope that arthritis draws all of these son of a bitches ass holes up around their necks and they all die with the dribbling shits. And after they all die from the dribbeling shits I hope that all of their families go broke paying the 20% not paid by Blue Cross on medical bills trying to save their worthless asses from dying.

[BigUnionGuy]

Wedgie,

Feel better now ?

I understand your frustration. I'm affected by the changes also.

Clearly, you don't care about anything but yourself. Self realization is a bitter pill to swallow, but you really don't need to motherf__k everyone including your Union. Nobody forced you to work at the parcel.... 30 years of blood, sweat, and tears ??? Being a little dramatic aren't you ???

Relax.... in a hundred years, who's gonna care.

[Wedgie]

BigUnionGut, No I don't feel better but I would if you would bend over so that I could kick your fat useless ass until my knee caught fire.

[sawman]

Amen Wedgie,

CS and the Teamsters in true form, once again, want to take our money and retirment and have us say, Ok, whatever you say.

But I don't think it is going to fly this time!

[BigUnionGuy]

And this is from someone who "thinks" that going from a 2% accural rate to a 1% rate, is a 50% reduction in your pension.

This must be some sort of TDU math.

Lets see, the coffee pot is filled to the six (6) cup line.

But wait, I only got three (3) cups out of it.


Thats a 50% reduction. Better start a new Union.

[attaboy]

"People retiring at 48, 49, 50 years old with a 30 and out are what have helped cause the problem."

No, the only cause is more retirees than contributers. Of course, you can make a good arguement that benfit levels were set too high also. As recently as a year before all the bad news about CSPF, TDU was calling, no demanding that Hoffa push for HIGHER benifit levels! Funny, you don't see any big push from freight guys (not that there is that many left) for a new union. I can't help but think about '97 whenever the pension bebachle is mentioned. Ron Carey sold us a bill of goods, and we followed him to slaughter like good little sheep. This union is dying a slow death, if the APWA is patient they can pick over the carcuss, oh... Aug. of '08 or so.

[tmster25]

i think you need to go join a non union place and see what its like funny i dont see you bitchin when you get paid or food is on your table its people like you that makes this union not strong

[sawman]

You're right Attaboy, if it doesn't happen sooner, come 2008 UPS employees will be Flocking to the APWA because the Teamsters will be on there way out.

It is no secret that UPS has been out spoken about the need to get out of the multi employer funds, so chances are that when the contract runs out the last day of 2007, that UPS will make a stand, The Union will call for a strike, the majority of UPS hourly employees will not honor this strike, and the teamsters affiliation with UPS will be history.

[tmster25]

you guys wont honor the strike what will you do cross the picket line? well ill be there standing strong fighting for your teamster contract maybe you should too!!!!! :roll:

[sawman]

It want be you guys, as in a small group.

It will be the Majority of UPS hourly employees crossing the invisable line.

You don't think so? Go take a straw poll.

Most UPSers will not honor another call to strike by the Teamsters.

[Teamsterman]

sawman said:

It want be you guys, as in a small group.

It will be the Majority of UPS hourly employees crossing the invisable line.

You don't think so? Go take a straw poll.  

Most UPSers will not honor another call to strike by the Teamsters.

That's what they said in 1997 also. Tell you what, "if" we have to take a strike authorization vote; that will be your straw poll.

And where do you get this strike crap?

There won't be any strike and there won't be any APWA.

[UPSSup]

Wow another teamster straw poll. Can you get at least 10 percent of the membership to participate in your parking lot votes in the middle of July when half the teamsters union is at the beach or on vacation? You really can't hold up a vote that garners a small fraction of the overall union as representative yet you do each time. if you really do feel strongly about the democracy of your union then perhaps you could send ballots home for your strike vote. Oh...thats right ...the wives might see the ballots and start asking questions. Better to call in a small fraction of malcontent voters and hold a vocal vote to intimidate everyone that shows into voting for strike authorization. Hmmm lets see I think those voting for the strike authorization were much louder then those voting no. Lets put down that we were 98 percent in favor with the entire local voting and send it in.

[101st_Airborne]

I and many other hope the Teamsters won't be around for the 2008 contract negotiations. They don't and will not represent the best interest of the UPS workers.

My desire and hope is that a decertification vote is held in 2006 and a new union is solicited or form to take over the process.

The Teamsters have nothing but bad news to deleiver to UPS and its employees and its unfunded liability hangs like a millstone around the necks of UPS and its employees.

Its time to charter a new direction.

[alex_y]

Geez, blatant stupidity is really annoying.
Ever hear of a contractual bar to a decertification effort? You should have your apwanese attorney study up on US Labor Law.
Like I've previously stated, apwa represents a threat to no one other than its fellow apwanese.

alex y.

[Anonymous243]

alex_y,

I'm not as up on legal stuff as you are, but wouldn't contract bar doctrine not apply in this case, due to the length of the UPS/Teamster contract?

I agree that the APWA is no friend of the working man.

Thanks for your contributions.

[sawman]

The APWA is the UPS working man (ITSMYMAP.COM)!

[scb]

-alex & anon-

As I understand it, the contract bar doctrine only limits a representational election until the contract expires or when it's coverage has extended over three years; i.e. - an election can be called either when the contract is at the end of it's term, or after three years, whichever comes first. Again, I'm not supporting this APWA thing either, but the "contract bar" thing doesn't appear to be an applicable barrier to it.

-scb-

[Teamsterman]

Have to agree with SCB, there is a three year standard. Don't really know all about it and we could both be wrong. But I think that's why we always had three year contracts. I'll have to look into this a little more. But as far as Apwa being the working mans union.....I'm laughing my ass off. I'm sooooo sure I'll let a bunch of scabs represent me. Get real. Sawman already admitted he was a scab. God, it must really suck being a SCAB. These people must be pretty desperate to cum on this website and spam for support.

[101st_Airborne]

Teamsterman,

Well there you go again name calling. I bet you where a real treat to share a sandbox with or maybe that supposition is true even today.

Fact is the Teamsters have nothing but bad news to deliver to the UPS workers and if thats what you call representation then your fired.

The APWA is a concept and a fledgling alternative to the woeful and pathic leadership of the Teamsters. Here's a news flash Dumbo, The Teamsters will loose any authorization for a strike vote and will loose any battle with UPS in 2008 PERIOD.

The reason why I and many other want an alternative choice is because we want to avoid the train wreck we see coming. The signs say "Bridge Out!" and the Teamsters can't read. The Teamsters are not going to draw out the loyalty and unity it will need to sink there hands deeper into UPS pockets and its employees because the "DEAL" there going to sell amounts to UPS employees getting dramaticlly less benefits and threatens there jobs.

In the end the facts will speak for themselves and the Teamsters have nothing to offer UPS workers. We want to change that and negotitate a strong contract with real increases in wages & benefits that UPS can afford and still compete with other in the industies. BUT, make no mistake, we will never settle for less than what we have now and thats will never be the Teamsters position.

The Teamsters will try every underhanded way to get a strike authorization and even if it succeeds it will never be honored by the membership. Thats because the Teamsters don't represent the best interest of UPS workers PERIOD, and every UPS workers who's benefits are being cut because more money piad in for them is being diverted knows it! Any strike authorization and walk out won't be for UPS workers best interest but for every other non-UPS Teamsters best interest, and UPSers KNOW IT!

I hope the Teamsters are siting in Vegas watching the sun going down over there futures in 2008 and that we the WORKERS of UPS are sitting across the table and negotittating the contract we know we deserve and will get.

End of story!