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May 31 2008, 04:00 AM
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![]() Member ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 846 Joined: 6-August 05 From: North Carolina Member No.: 4,684 Local Union Number: 391 |
I would like to keep this thread going for a while to see how the opt in and opt out of 9.5 rule goes. I know we had a sign up sheet to opt in or opt out of the 9.5 rule. It's only a matter of time before someone gets the penality of triple time.
-------------------- When you fail to plan , you plan to fail!
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May 31 2008, 05:57 PM
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I am sure you will see a lot of people working over 9.5 hours, but you will likely never see anybody winning any grievances on it. Well, they won't win any money at least. Hate to be my negative self, but we all know how it works. With the way the economy is going, I doubt many people will be complaining about the extra boxes in back this year. I could be wrong, as I have been many times before, but we will see.
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Jun 1 2008, 09:24 AM
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Semi-Member ![]() Group: Members Posts: 85 Joined: 24-June 04 Member No.: 3,880 |
I am sure you will see a lot of people working over 9.5 hours, but you will likely never see anybody winning any grievances on it. Well, they won't win any money at least. Hate to be my negative self, but we all know how it works. With the way the economy is going, I doubt many people will be complaining about the extra boxes in back this year. I could be wrong, as I have been many times before, but we will see. We've only had a couple of guys file so far. We have never really had a problem with over 9.5s in our center though. Our opt in/out list didn't go up until a month ago. Only a little more than half of the drivers signed it. Management was trying to convince people to scratch their names off the list. It was hilarious. Some of our drivers didn't, and still don't, understand what the list is even for. Some were just scared to sign. We have several drivers that are scared to do anything that will piss off management. |
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Jun 1 2008, 10:03 AM
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![]() Member ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 846 Joined: 6-August 05 From: North Carolina Member No.: 4,684 Local Union Number: 391 |
We've only had a couple of guys file so far. We have never really had a problem with over 9.5s in our center though. Our opt in/out list didn't go up until a month ago. Only a little more than half of the drivers signed it. Management was trying to convince people to scratch their names off the list. It was hilarious. Some of our drivers didn't, and still don't, understand what the list is even for. Some were just scared to sign. We have several drivers that are scared to do anything that will piss off management. That's a damn shame guys are scared like that. Same here in our center. I was one of the first ones to sign it. Have gotten 2 grievance forms from shop steward so I am ready to file the minute I have over three days of 9.5 or more. -------------------- When you fail to plan , you plan to fail!
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Jun 2 2008, 12:01 PM
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![]() Semi-Member ![]() Group: Members Posts: 93 Joined: 23-November 02 Member No.: 1,072 Local Union Number: 251 |
Again, no 9.5 opt in/opt out lists were posted in my hub. Apparently my Local and hub don't feel this is a necessary part of the collective bargainning agreement, like most of the contract terms actually.
-------------------- Some Teamster History:
Under the leadership of Farrell Dobbs of the Communist League of America, the Minneapolis Teamsters then began to organize regionally. Using the prestige that their victory in Minneapolis had brought them, they worked with Teamsters in other cities on a plan to organize the over-the-road drivers, whom Dan Tobin had written off as trash and unorganizable. Beginning in Chicago, they used a combination of what were known as "quickie strikes" (short-term stoppages and disruptions) and secondary boycotts to tie up goods of non-union carriers, using each newly organized carrier as a tool to organize others. The union extended this campaign to other major distribution centers in the Midwest: Detroit, Kansas City and other smaller cities. The newly organized unions formed what later became the Central Conference of Teamsters; one of their most tireless and effective organizers was a former loading dock worker from Detroit, Jimmy Hoffa. Organized crime had been active in some Teamster locals, particularly in the garment industry in New York City, as early as the 1920s. Labor racketeers made inroads in other cities, such as Chicago, Cleveland, Kansas City and Detroit, in the 1930s. Hoffa and other Teamster leaders made strategic alliances with organized crime, in deals that benefited both the Mafia and its associates, who obtained sweetheart deals, and the union leaders, who received kickbacks and other forms of assistance. In many cases organized crime played an even more direct role. Hoffa depended on the support of a number of "paper locals" from New York established by Johnny Dioguardi, an associate of the Lucchese crime family, in running for the presidency of the Teamsters in 1957. Other locals, such as local 507 in Cleveland, were likewise controlled by racketeers, which exploited them by skimming dues, creating "no-show jobs" for associates, and extorting employers and selling sweetheart contracts. In some industries, such as garbage hauling in New York, the line between union and employer became blurred, as both sides might be controlled by the same crime family. James R. Hoffa was instrumental in using the assets of the Teamsters' pension plans, particularly the Central States plan, to support Mafia projects, such as the development of Las Vegas in the 1950s and 1960s. Hoffa was, moreover, defiantly unwilling to reform the union or limit his own power in response to the attacks from Robert F. Kennedy, formerly chief counsel to the McClellan Committee, then Attorney General. Kennedy's Department of Justice tried to convict Hoffa for a variety of offenses over the 1960s, finally succeeding on a witness tampering charge in 1964. After exhausting his appeals, Hoffa entered prison in 1967. Hoffa installed Frank Fitzsimmons, an associate from his days in Local 299 in Detroit, to hold his place for him while he served time. Fitzsimmons, however, began to enjoy the exercise of power in Hoffa's absence; in addition, the organized crime figures around him found that he was more pliant than Hoffa had been. While President Nixon's pardon barred Hoffa from resuming any role in the Teamsters until 1980, Hoffa challenged the legality of that condition and planned to run again for presidency of the union, but disappeared in 1975 under mysterious circumstances. |
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Jun 2 2008, 06:20 PM
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Semi-Member ![]() Group: Members Posts: 78 Joined: 21-June 04 Member No.: 3,876 |
Nine out of ten drivers (90%) in our center groom their load in the morning for maybe 30 minutes or longer. Most of these load groomers are also lunch skippers. How can one complain about excessive overtime when they voluntarily show up for work 45 minutes early so they can groom their load? How can one complain about over 9.5 if they skip their lunch and work 10.5 and get paid 9.5? Doesn't make sense to me. If you voluntarily work for free, can you blame Uncle Buster for giving you more work? I don't. Learn how to do all your work on the clock. Then complain about the excessive overtime.
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Jul 5 2008, 10:07 PM
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 16 Joined: 24-June 08 Member No.: 7,553 Local Union Number: 315 |
We had the same thing happen in my center. I was the first person to sign and within 2 days there were a lot of names on the list. Then I noticed they were being scratched out. I was approached by a management person who told me I should take my name off the list because it would put a bullseye on my back. I didn't take my name off and all has been ok because I am usualy in feeder and I don't mind feeder OT. But I heard recently that there was an overwhelming response to people signing the opt in list and they are thinking about changing the language so floaters can not put their name on the list. This is wrong because floaters get screwed the most, and with my pkg route being taken off road all the time that makes me a floater. It will be interesting to see what happens with this language, neither the company nor the union should be able to change the contract after it's already been approved.
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