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ArmyOfOne
post Jun 5 2006, 08:03 AM
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I find the picture used on the front page of the forum of a crying baby very telling. Not for what the implied statement makes but for its confessions of the Teamster.Net bias.

Truth?
Facts?
Equity?
Brotherhood?

Not on this forum.

Seems if you don’t lock step with having your pension fleeced or don’t champion the robbing of UPS workers of their wages and benefits, you’re a cry baby. Yet, the real hypocrites are those that support this injustice directed towards UPS workers. There crying and shrill talk, laced with disinformation and excuses represent the biggest babies of them all.

It’s ok for UPS workers to work longer and harder for less but where are there sacrifices? Where do you hear them call for equity and justice in what is a grossly socialist pension system? Why aren’t they calling for pensions that has members getting out what they put in? Oh parish the thought.

Hoffas early pandering to UPS for more bailout money, aka, early negotiations, is undoubted designed to soften up the rank and file for an unprecedented sellout. A sellout that will go far beyond the day to day give backs and take always that occur at the grievance panels and far beyond the fleecing already goingon in the pension and an excuse to ramp up the crony jobs.

Why do UPS workers need the Teamster anyway? They get lousy and expensive representation. Health care benefits that are rapidly declining. A pensions system that relies on them paying in more and getting a whole lot less, for ever and ever.

What the posters of the baby picture can’t take is the realization that UPS workers don’t need the Teamsters or want them. A union yes but not this fat ass union whose sole objective is its own survival. The teamster’s motto is “what’s good for the teamster’s is good for the members.” WRONG!

A union of our own? Why not. Then we will see who’s crying now.

Teamster power, yea right.
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post Jun 5 2006, 12:48 PM
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Tough decisions pile up for Northwest flight attendants

By Michael Kuchta , Workday Minnesota

If you're a flight attendant at Northwest, who could blame you for asking, "What's next?"

Right now, you must vote on a contract proposal that, for starters, will cut your pay by 21 percent, slash your health insurance and other benefits, and freeze your pension.

If you reject that proposal, Northwest says, it will impose even worse terms, including outsourcing 800 of your jobs.

Once that is out of the way, you have to decide the fate of your union – again.


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post Jun 5 2006, 01:00 PM
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I'm not sure why I am letting myself get sucked back into this nonsense but I will play along for a minute.
  1. Who will run the APWA?
  2. What is their experiance?
"Blah, blah, blah, change the subject!"

See how easy it is putting you a box?

-Phil

P.s. You better cash those checks UPS is writing you because your Union busting game is going nowhere.


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post Jun 6 2006, 02:15 PM
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True'r words have not been spoken Phil.

Thank you for speaking for many of us about this garbage.


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post Jun 9 2006, 05:06 AM
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QUOTE(TeamsterNet @ Jun 6 2006, 07:00 AM) [snapback]202080[/snapback]

Who will run the APWA?

What is their experiance?
"Blah, blah, blah, change the subject!"


Necessity is the mother of invention, it is true, but its father is creativity, and knowledge is the midwife.........Jonathan Schattke

Necessity is the mother of taking chances .......Mark Twain

Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow.........Dwight David Eisenhower

You don't lead by hitting people over the head-that's assault, not leadership......Dwight David Eisenhower


The leadership of APWA will rise to this occasion, just as other people in history have risen to the occasion when the situation they were in demanded it. If youve been to one of the meetings, you would have first hand knowledge of the depth of their knowledge and the firm yet polite business manner which they carry themselves. And just like any other leadership postition, the people with which you surround yourselves and their experience which they bring to the table will determine your success, and these guys have assembled a great legal team to support them through this process.
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post Jun 10 2006, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE(Nospinzone @ Jun 9 2006, 11:06 PM) [snapback]202577[/snapback]

Necessity is the mother of invention, it is true, but its father is creativity, and knowledge is the midwife.........Jonathan Schattke

Necessity is the mother of taking chances .......Mark Twain

Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow.........Dwight David Eisenhower

You don't lead by hitting people over the head-that's assault, not leadership......Dwight David Eisenhower


The leadership of APWA will rise to this occasion, just as other people in history have risen to the occasion when the situation they were in demanded it. If youve been to one of the meetings, you would have first hand knowledge of the depth of their knowledge and the firm yet polite business manner which they carry themselves. And just like any other leadership postition, the people with which you surround yourselves and their experience which they bring to the table will determine your success, and these guys have assembled a great legal team to support them through this process.
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Since you addressed me in the post I will give you a response here instead of a PM.

As the Admin of this website I have a responsibility to try and prevent Internet scams from being spread by use of this site. Please feel free to correct me but here are FACTS I know about the so-called AWPA:

1. They are not a union.
2. There is no paperwork filed with the United States Department of Labor regarding theso-called AWPA and no such body exists.
3. The AWPA has not held any election for anything.
4. The AWPA has not disclosed any information about its finances or where and how much money it gets or spends.
5. The AWPA intentionally is deceptive and hides the information reletive to registrar of the website.
6. The AWPA has no physical address.
7. The AWPA asks for money.
8. No aspect of the AWPA can be confirmed as legitimate.
9. People have purposefully tried to create multiple identities to deceive the audience of this website.
10. Not one person claiming to be with AWPA will not answer the simple question of whether they have ever represented any union member for anything, even as shop steward.

To this point I think I have been more than fair considering the facts regarding the AWPA.

The only name put to this fraud is Francis T. Coleman. Here is what Mr. Francis T. Colemans firm has to do with regards to Labor and Employment:

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The Labor & Employment Section of Williams Mullen provides ongoing labor and employment advice and counsel to a variety of businesses in the United States and throughout the world. The Section's attorneys represent clients in a number of sophisticated labor management relations issues, complex employment lawsuits, and intricate human resources problems.

Services
Advise and counsel on a variety of complicated human resources issues
Defense of employment-related lawsuits in all courts
Drafting Affirmative Action Plans and conducting OFCCP audits
Enforcing non-compete and other employment agreements
Experienced in Alternative Dispute Resolution
Proactive labor management representation

Sample Representations

* Protected client interests in connection with injunctions in labor disputes, including recognitional strikes, unfair labor practice strikes, and economic work stoppage.
* Defeated union organizing attempts for clients in major manufacturing sectors, such as steel, paper, health care, printing, construction and mining.
* Represented clients in decertification of unions.
* Negotiated several long-term labor agreements, including work rule and health insurance concessions for Fortune 500 companies.
* Defended matters before the National Labor Relations Board and handled appeals of NLRB orders before various U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
* Represented employers in grievance and arbitration matters arising under collective bargaining agreements.
* Representation in various state and federal courts for companies accused of discrimination, wrongful discharge, wage and hour violations, ERISA violations, defamation, and unfair labor practices and in numerous appeals before state and federal appellate courts throughout the United States on a variety of labor and employment issues for employers.
* Representation of employers enforcing noncompete agreements, employment contracts, confidentiality agreements and protection of trade secrets.
* Represented companies before the EEOC, the DOL, the OFCCP, and various state anti-discrimination agencies.
* Conducted labor and employment due diligence for clients contemplating acquisitions and divestitures to ensure compliance with state and federal employment laws.
* Prepared affirmative action plans and assisted with OFCCP audits.
* Trained all levels of management for a variety of employers in union avoidance, conducting workplace investigations, preventing unlawful harassment and discrimination, implementing successful progressive discipline techniques, using lawful techniques to hire, retain and terminate and defending against employment lawsuits.
* Provided on-going counseling to companies in all areas of human resource management, including, but not limited to, employment agreements, covenants not to compete, substance abuse policies, OSHA, personnel practices, severance and release agreements, plant closings, relocations, and layoffs.

Attorneys
D. Earl Baggett IV
Beth Hirsch Berman
Steven D. Brown
David C. Burton
M. Eve G. Campbell
Francis T. (Tom) Coleman


Come on please tell me I am wrong. Nospin, please tell me that this lawyer is not affiliated with anyone claiming to be pro-employee?

At this point I am not inclined to do anything.

Until the so-called AWPA is registered with the DOL and has a physical address and has a fairly elected leadership of some kind and does not solicit money I will not change my position. The AWPA dialog needs to be in one place so that before anyone gets suckered out of any money by information on THIS website they have all the discussions at hand first.

One thing I would like to suggest to these folks would be to put a open forum up on their website if they are not satisfied with their treatment here. I already know the answer but if this AWPA has nothing to hide, why do they keep hiding?

-Phil




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post Jun 12 2006, 08:09 AM
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Army of one, you should consider using the crybaby picture as your avatar. icon_rolleyes.gif icon_biggrin.gif


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post Nov 6 2006, 10:39 AM
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QUOTE(ArmyOfOne @ Jun 5 2006, 11:03 AM) [snapback]202050[/snapback]

I find the picture used on the front page of the forum of a crying baby very telling. Not for what the implied statement makes but for its confessions of the Teamster.Net bias.

Truth?
Facts?
Equity?
Brotherhood?

Not on this forum.

Seems if you don’t lock step with having your pension fleeced or don’t champion the robbing of UPS workers of their wages and benefits, you’re a cry baby. Yet, the real hypocrites are those that support this injustice directed towards UPS workers. There crying and shrill talk, laced with disinformation and excuses represent the biggest babies of them all.

It’s ok for UPS workers to work longer and harder for less but where are there sacrifices? Where do you hear them call for equity and justice in what is a grossly socialist pension system? Why aren’t they calling for pensions that has members getting out what they put in? Oh parish the thought.

Hoffas early pandering to UPS for more bailout money, aka, early negotiations, is undoubted designed to soften up the rank and file for an unprecedented sellout. A sellout that will go far beyond the day to day give backs and take always that occur at the grievance panels and far beyond the fleecing already goingon in the pension and an excuse to ramp up the crony jobs.

Why do UPS workers need the Teamster anyway? They get lousy and expensive representation. Health care benefits that are rapidly declining. A pensions system that relies on them paying in more and getting a whole lot less, for ever and ever.

What the posters of the baby picture can’t take is the realization that UPS workers don’t need the Teamsters or want them. A union yes but not this fat ass union whose sole objective is its own survival. The teamster’s motto is “what’s good for the teamster’s is good for the members.” WRONG!

A union of our own? Why not. Then we will see who’s crying now.

Teamster power, yea right.
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post Nov 8 2006, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE(noseycat @ Nov 6 2006, 10:39 AM) [snapback]220726[/snapback]

knowone says you have to be a teamsters. you have a choice. are you active in your company and your union? Or do you sit on the sideline and let others make your choice.

Did you vote in the ibt election?


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post Nov 19 2006, 08:45 AM
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your statements are far from the facts.

health care rapidly declining? i have been a ups teamster for 28 yrs, have had one small change in that time and i have NEVER had to make an employee contribution for insurance, how about you survey everyone else in a non teamster job, compare insurance from top to bottom and get back to me, most insured dont even have a retiree plan and you say rapidly declining, give me a break.

work longer and harder for less? how can you work longer for less, unless you work off the clock and if you choose to work harder then thats your choice, the rest of us will stand stronger and continue to put in a fair days work for a fair days pay.

lousy representation? well you might be from a tdu local so your reps may be lousy, but if not quit whining, run for office yourself, help those at your workplace, you are the union, if you and your coworkers stick together you can become stronger and united, although it sounds like you just want to complain but not take on the responsibilities yourself, how about you just sit back like you have been doing and we will take care of you like always.

you also claim you were robbed of your wages, dont see how that is possible, we make more than anyone in the industry, receive $1 plus wages and a cola, still make no employee contributions for insurance, why dont you go to a truck stop and whine about what you have and check out their response, or better yet switch them jobs for a month and get back to me.

apwa like tdu is just a company/rtw plot made to divide the membership and the ignorance of some allow it to happen.

stay away from company driven scabs who have never done anything to help the membership, or just give them money and dont forget they will even let your SPOUSE donate.



QUOTE(ArmyOfOne @ Jun 5 2006, 08:03 AM) [snapback]202050[/snapback]

I find the picture used on the front page of the forum of a crying baby very telling. Not for what the implied statement makes but for its confessions of the Teamster.Net bias.

Truth?
Facts?
Equity?
Brotherhood?

Not on this forum.

Seems if you don’t lock step with having your pension fleeced or don’t champion the robbing of UPS workers of their wages and benefits, you’re a cry baby. Yet, the real hypocrites are those that support this injustice directed towards UPS workers. There crying and shrill talk, laced with disinformation and excuses represent the biggest babies of them all.

It’s ok for UPS workers to work longer and harder for less but where are there sacrifices? Where do you hear them call for equity and justice in what is a grossly socialist pension system? Why aren’t they calling for pensions that has members getting out what they put in? Oh parish the thought.

Hoffas early pandering to UPS for more bailout money, aka, early negotiations, is undoubted designed to soften up the rank and file for an unprecedented sellout. A sellout that will go far beyond the day to day give backs and take always that occur at the grievance panels and far beyond the fleecing already goingon in the pension and an excuse to ramp up the crony jobs.

Why do UPS workers need the Teamster anyway? They get lousy and expensive representation. Health care benefits that are rapidly declining. A pensions system that relies on them paying in more and getting a whole lot less, for ever and ever.

What the posters of the baby picture can’t take is the realization that UPS workers don’t need the Teamsters or want them. A union yes but not this fat ass union whose sole objective is its own survival. The teamster’s motto is “what’s good for the teamster’s is good for the members.” WRONG!

A union of our own? Why not. Then we will see who’s crying now.

Teamster power, yea right.
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