You hear the complaints and criticisms of the APWA.

No union hall?

No more expensive overpaid arrogant union representatives to spend our expensive dues dollars?

No expensive overpaid arrogant union representatives that identify with the company more than the members?

No union bosses that never worked a day as a UPS worker lording over UPS workers at these Kangaroo court grievances panels?

No more union bosses living and eating large negotiating contracts for workers at a company none of them worked for and the employees they bring have no impact on the REAL contract and side deals the great fat ex-potato truck drivers negotiate for UPSers?

No more pensions for UPS workers that pay 40 cents out to them for every dollars that UPS pays into the system?

No more multi-million dollar electric laser light shows in Vegas and cracked crab buffets?

No more “corporate union?”

Oh yea, the sky is falling.



Those stupid APWA organizers want:

Better, cheaper, faster representation from elected representatives FROM the UPS work force.

Grievances panels populated by UPS workers that know who and what there abusers are.

Renting office space and halls only when needed.

Connecting members via NETMEETINGS, and deploying a computer based cyber organization to maximize time, dollars and services FOR the MEMBERS benefit.

Pensions and H/W that take full advantage of those dollars paid into a pension system by UPS.

A contract that protect jobs, (No UPS BASIC, GYPSY WORKERS, SUBCONTRACTING) and NO side deals or mid-contract sellouts.

Union representatives that are elected from with in the rank and file.

Closing loopholes in the contract UPS drives Mack Trucks through.

Higher wages, more flexibility in work days that don’t reduce overall compensation, and benefits that aren’t siphoned away to companies that couldn’t afford them anyway.

A strong, better, contract that rewards those that work for UPS and unites them in a common interest with out the baggage of an expensive inefficient bureaucracy and a pension plan that cannot pay them what they earn.

Oh yea, one more thing those bastard in the APWA want and will do....LOWER DUES!!!!!!!!!!

Sounds like you support them?

Yeah, lower dues. No strike fund, no organizing efforts. In other words, no strong union.

Teamsterman,

Are you talking about the Teamsters or the APWA?

Sounds like the Teamsters to me, AIRBORNE.

101st_Airborne,


What planet are you living on ?

It must be TDU.

A perfect place.... filled with "delusions" of grandeur.


Funny thing about you TDU folks, all ideas.

"Mix the mayo in the can with the tuna fish..... Call Starkist...."


Never ceases to amaze me.


"I heard.... I Thought.... or Somebody told me...."

Know what you're talking about first, instead of spouting off about things you have no clue about.

Please.

-Bug-

i dont get it

Jason,

Just pay attention.

The slugs are going to come out of the woodwork.



-Bug-

Bug,

That patch should be over both eyes, because you are a good example of following blindly.

sawman,

And this comes someone like you, asking ME for an explanation of the 1% accural rate ?


25 year feeder driver ??


Bud, you have hit too many bumps in the road.



-Bug-

Bug,

Last time I checked, if you cut a 2% acrual rate to a 1% acrual rate, that is a 50% cut.

sawman,

I really don't like having to repeat myself, but for your sake I will.


"I Thought, I Heard or Somebody told me....."


If in FACT, you are a participant in Central States, this information is available at: www.centralstatesfunds.org.

Or, how about picking up the phone and calling them at: 1-800-323-5000.

Maybe you could explain to them how the APWA is going to guarantee a $7000.00 a month pension. I'm sure they could use your advice.


-Bug-

I don't claim to have all the answers or that I am always right, but I do know this, One penny cut to a UPSers pension and health care is 100% to much, with the money that our company is paying.

Now, the officers of the APWA have done there homework and I'm sure they would be glad to argue numbers with you. (ITSMYMAP.COM)

It's not that I necessarily question the motives of those behind the APWA proposal, I just don't understand the strategy at all. It seems to be premised on the assumption that organizations are either imbued with qualities that lend them legitimacy or they aren't, and that these qualities are immutable--beyond anybody's control once the organization has been created. The fact is, I would consider what you are suggesting--but only if I felt all other alternatives had been exhausted. Now you have the dual task of not only informing UPS Teamsters on the topic of the pension crisis, but also convincing them that abandoning their union is the only way to solve it. This is after, what?, like 75 years of history, tradition, and, at the very least, perceived accomplishments? Even if that amounts to nothing to you because of this particular issue, surely you recognize the enormous burden of proof you bear in convincing the rest of us that nothing can be done within the current framework; it can only be accomplished in the framework you have personally created and endorsed.

So my question is: what evidence do you have that we could not accomplish the goals set out by the APWA if we committed ourselves to accomplishing them within the current structure? Until we have some compelling reason to think otherwise, I don't see why we shouldn't be organizing around these issues as reforms within an institution most of us are still committed to.